Izanami is NOT an asspull

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Nope it was never stated that madara was the sole user, I'll need mangafact for that, it was stated that it was an uchiha kinjutsu, nobody said (BZ and the rest) who invented it, we just know the uchiha's did, you'll have to give us proof that uchiha's before madara did'nt use izanagi also, as nobody said madara invented the technique
Madara was the first to combine senju with uchiha. Those are the recquirements for izanagi as told by all their secrets begotten from the ancient stone tablet.

During Itachi vs Kabuto kishi rewrote his own story to make ALL uchiha use Izanagi just do he could create izanami.
 

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He can easily dodge totsuka why does everything Totsuka is lightning fast? It cant catch kabuto

You dont have to face a movee head on to counter it, thats what fools do.
Nope, considering kabuto was using cqc against itachi, itachi can just straight up predict were he's gonna move and totsuka blitz him, + sasuke can act as diversion using susano arrow, enton etc, itachi alone has more than enough diversions to distract him into getting blitz by totsuka (crow clones, bunshin daibakuha)
 

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Well... is what it is.

If it was an asspull on the mangakas part then it subsequently became canon.

In the same way that the asspull of Kaguya became canon when kishi couldnt find a way to defeat Madara.
Well for me Kaguya is not an asspull. A better word would be "sudden reveal" as was done with the Blackmail basis of Kabuto (revealed to be Madara) and the reveal of Tobi's identity. Outrageously, the hints to Kaguya are there from the begginng of the Manga as chakra personified and the other two have far less hints compared to Kaguya. Kaguya was the final piece of the puzzle and I think a sudden reveal of the Puppeteer from the shadows was a risky but great move by Kishi.

And no, defeating Madara is not impossible. There are many other ways by which he could be defeated by Naruto and Sasuke. Kaguya coming in and taking over Madara was not an asspull move to remove Madara from the plot, but it was a move to complete and round off the storyline of Part 1 and Part 2.
 

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Madara was the first to combine senju with uchiha. Those are the recquirements for izanagi as told by all their secrets begotten from the ancient stone tablet.

During Itachi vs Kabuto kishi rewrote his own story to make ALL uchiha use Izanagi just do he could create izanami.
Ohh,so he magically planned his death with a technique he does'nt know existed, that means him using izanagi was coincidense not planned? No, he knew izanagi before hand, it was stated that that fight for madara was to gain power, meaning he knew izanagi before hand and planned to use it after the fight to gain power
 

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Ohh,so he magically planned his death with a technique he does'nt know existed, that means him using izanagi was coincidense not planned? No, he knew izanagi before hand, it was stated that that fight for madara was to gain power, meaning he knew izanagi before hand and planned to use it after the fight to gain power
I'm suprised you are still trying to make sense out of a f*cked up storyline. You act like I stated lies. These are all facts dude. You dont see me trying to slap logic to this like you are.

The recquirements for izanagi are crystal clear and stated in the manga. What comes afterwards or before are just plotholes by kishi, meaning they dont make sense.

Izanami is still an asspull.
 

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Nope he did'nt counter totsuka, and don't forget itachi was holding back also and told sasuke not to attack kabuto, kabuto would have been lit on amaterasu the whole fight (itachi has Infinite chakra), if he does'nt want to oneshot with totsuka that is
One way the fight could have ended without Izanami would be to Totsuka Kabuto and let Itachi manipulate the Totsuka Genjutsu to make Kabuto dispel Edo Tensei. However there is no evidence to suggest that Itachi could manipulate the dreamworld of Totsuka so this is debatable whether it would work out.

As far as I know, Kabuto's liquification negated Amaterasu. Sound Genjutsu wrecks Susannoo and Snake Eye scales negates Tsukuyomi and any vision based Genjutsu. Again, all of Itachi's Genjutsu's were based on the sense of Vision. Izanami is an asspull for two reasons : 1) It broke a stalemate fight where both sides hard countered each other, (tachi has Yata to counter Kabuto but there is no evidence of Itachi using Yata without Susannoo which if true means Kabuto wrecks both as Susannoo cannot be maintained under Sound Genjutsu) and 2) Izanami as a Genjutsu works on all five senses which bypassed Kabuto's safegaurd which allowed Kishi to remove him and make the plot go forward easily. Inventive but a bit lame.
 

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I already said it was a plothole giving birth to an asspull. Izanami has no basis to which it was created. Therefore its an asspull.

Manga and Black Zetsu stated madara is the only one to do it. Also Itachi story states the WHOLE CLAN used Izanagi. So in his words his whole clan were Mini Rikoudo Sages containing senju dna. The whole fight vs ksbuto is an asspull.

He created a shit backstory for izanagi and created izanami just to oneshot Kabuto who was virtually invincible.
As i said. Is what it is.

He also pulled an asspull on madara.

Even if he were to have included Izanami it could have been written in better. Izanagi is not a flawed technique. In regards to Kabuto, Itachi would have still beat him.

Itachi solos.

And in regards again to kabuto being 'invincible' he would have been nerfed by madara.
 

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As i said. Is what it is.

He also pulled an asspull on madara.

Even if he were to have included Izanami it could have been written in better. Izanagi is not a flawed technique. In regards to Kabuto, Itachi would have still beat him.

Itachi solos.

And in regards again to kabuto being 'invincible' he would have been nerfed by madara.
Without Izanami Itachi cant undue edo tensei. Its an asspull for that reason and many more. At least you admit it being an asspull. Thats entirely what this thread is about.
 

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Everyone knew izanami was coming sooner or later but its so much lamer than izanagi.
Lmao sure they did. anyway every jutsu has a weakness and izanagi had none until izanami came out. it makes perfect sense. and how is it lame? izanagi creates an illusion into reality while and izanami forces reality into a illusion. it goes hand in hand. if you think it's lame is probably cause you think genjutsu in general is lame which considering that's idiotic mindset of most members i'd say that's probably it.
 

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Lmao sure they did. anyway every jutsu has a weakness and izanagi had none until izanami came out. it makes perfect sense. and how is it lame? izanagi creates an illusion into reality while and izanami forces reality into a illusion. it goes hand in hand. if you think it's lame is probably cause you think genjutsu in general is lame which considering that's idiotic mindset of most members i'd say that's probably it.
No, thanks for assuming I'm an idiot though. Its because I like Izanagi much better. Izanami just traps you in a loop until you change your mindset. Not much excitement for me. Izanagi is more badass in battle. Izanami is just lame, I thoughts so as soon as it was introduced.

It doesnt really counter Izanagi at all. Just a detterent for others not to use it since you only get two uses anyway nobody can spam it.
 

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Like Super Saiyan 2
Watch your filthy heathen mouth mate...

Ssj2 isn't an asspull..for m'Lord Gohan knows asspull not..

He'd already shown ssj2 whilst training with Son Goku in the HBTC then fell unconscious for exerting hella power as shown in Rez of Frieza movie... albeit from his body not being able to take all that power.

Hail Akira for m'Lord being 2beasty 4 his own untrained body :scorps:
 

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MANGEKYOU recquires eye contact bro. All Sharingan Genjutsu recquires eye contact. Kabuto had his EYESIGHT BLOCKED. The only genjutsu that caught Kabuto was izanami.
I was with you until this...

TF u jivin bout???

1 ****ING FINGER 1SHOT MS GENJUTSU...

He blocked vision but was still trapped with other senses...

Itachi was said to be able to end the war solo 7 different ways by kabuto himself I believe...

If anything in tht arc is an asspull is m'Lord running into nardo 1st which ensured m'Lord stopping ET or w/e else he wanted & then Sasuke rezzing Oro+kage...
 

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I was with you until this...

TF u jivin bout???

1 ****ING FINGER 1SHOT MS GENJUTSU...

He blocked vision but was still trapped with other senses...

Itachi was said to be able to end the war solo 7 different ways by kabuto himself I believe...

If anything in tht arc is an asspull is m'Lord running into nardo 1st which ensured m'Lord stopping ET or w/e else he wanted & then Sasuke rezzing Oro+kage...
The fact still stands that Kabuto was never trapped in genjutsu. The only genjutsu that posed a threat to him was Sharingan based and he took care of that.
 

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Watch your filthy heathen mouth mate...

Ssj2 isn't an asspull..for m'Lord Gohan knows asspull not..

He'd already shown ssj2 whilst training with Son Goku in the HBTC then fell unconscious for exerting hella power as shown in Rez of Frieza movie... albeit from his body not being able to take all that power.

Hail Akira for m'Lord being 2beasty 4 his own untrained body :scorps:
How dare he call Super Saiyan 2 an asspull? Thats just awesome story telling! Lol
 

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Izanami = The Beat Kabuto No Jutsu


Given the prep time, mechanics and purpose of Izanami, no Uchiha would ever sacrifice an eye for such a reason. Which was originally to punish those who used Izanagi.
 

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The fact still stands that Kabuto was never trapped in genjutsu. The only genjutsu that posed a threat to him was Sharingan based and he took care of that.
You are completely correct.. bar Izanami lol

m'Lord Crow embodied Japanesee mythos like no other until it was time to further His plan to empower Le Sauce. I always found it fitting m'Lord weilds familial haxx tech/jutsu. Too haxx. But I still was conflicted over the win.. took a lil ro understand the steps taken for izanami I'll admit
 
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