I've found the holy grail of fan boys

[mcchikeneater]

Genjutsu part:

As someone in the naruto rp for a year and basically knows his fair share of how chakra and jutsus work let me enlighten you a bit. You see, when it comes to genjutsu to break it all you have to do is power up. Even if it's a little or an entire transformation. I.E how if you are in a genjutsu you can activate a curse mark and disrupt it or have someone rush chakra through you to break it that way. Goku, uses kaioken in every movement even when he's in super saiyan form. It was said in the anime. So that means his energy out put/kai is constantly changing. He would be in genjutsu for only seconds.


Blind rage part:

Really? Apparently you don't know that goku is a master in martial arts taught by maste roshi in the dragon ball series and he continuously senses his opponent as well which requires a calm mind. He can do this so well that he can go as far as sensing the opponents emotions. Goku has been said several times to have a child like peaceful mind. Namekians are a great example of a calm fighting mind, hell piccolo is all about strategy and battle tactics. But the sensing ability overall, requires a calm mind and they continuously sense their opponent throughout battle to prevent surprise attacks.

My opinion: I watch Naruto for the story line, it has the best built story line I've ever seen in a manga/anime. And it has awesome powers making it an excellent Shonen. To me, dbz and naruto are my favorite animes meaning I like them both the same. Maybe Naruto a little more due to the story since there are a lot of mistakes in dbz due to Akira only wanted to make it up to frieza saga but was pushes by fans and $$$ to make more and ended up basically always being rushed and pushed, being late on releases ect. So let me ask you, if you think that just because someone says dbz is stronger than Naruto that it makes Naruto any less of an anime? Hell no, Naruto is awesome. But don't be the fanboy that continuously tries to make ideas of how naruto is stronger than dbz like you have made clear in your original post.

+rep, well said. I love both animes as well, DBZ was my childhood favorite I watched every episode the day it came out. Now I watch every Naruto as they come out, they are both great stories. DBZ has stronger characters and more action, but Naruto has a deeper and more well built plot. They both have their ups and downs, but as you said calling the characters from DBZ stronger isnt dissing Naruto, its just the way it is. It doesnt mean I like one more than the other, it just means they both take place in 2 completely different fictional universes, and the DBZ verse happens to be populated by stronger individuals.


and as for blind rage another thing, not only is Goku rarely using rage. Sasuke is complete rage and lives for nothing but killing and revenge at this point. He acts cool when hes not fighting, but as soon as he feels inferior in any way to anybody he throws a fit. His whole issue in the beginning was being jealous of Naruto so he flipped out attacked Naruto then fled the village, thats not rage?

 

[zabuzamistboy]

Genjutsu part:

As someone in the naruto rp for a year and basically knows his fair share of how chakra and jutsus work let me enlighten you a bit. You see, when it comes to genjutsu to break it all you have to do is power up. Even if it's a little or an entire transformation. I.E how if you are in a genjutsu you can activate a curse mark and disrupt it or have someone rush chakra through you to break it that way. Goku, uses kaioken in every movement even when he's in super saiyan form. It was said in the anime. So that means his energy out put/kai is constantly changing. He would be in genjutsu for only seconds.


Blind rage part:

Really? Apparently you don't know that goku is a master in martial arts taught by maste roshi in the dragon ball series and he continuously senses his opponent as well which requires a calm mind. He can do this so well that he can go as far as sensing the opponents emotions. Goku has been said several times to have a child like peaceful mind. Namekians are a great example of a calm fighting mind, hell piccolo is all about strategy and battle tactics. But the sensing ability overall, requires a calm mind and they continuously sense their opponent throughout battle to prevent surprise attacks.

My opinion: I watch Naruto for the story line, it has the best built story line I've ever seen in a manga/anime. And it has awesome powers making it an excellent Shonen. To me, dbz and naruto are my favorite animes meaning I like them both the same. Maybe Naruto a little more due to the story since there are a lot of mistakes in dbz due to Akira only wanted to make it up to frieza saga but was pushes by fans and $$$ to make more and ended up basically always being rushed and pushed, being late on releases ect. So let me ask you, if you think that just because someone says dbz is stronger than Naruto that it makes Naruto any less of an anime? Hell no, Naruto is awesome. But don't be the fanboy that continuously tries to make ideas of how naruto is stronger than dbz like you have made clear in your original post.

All i was ever trying to state is that you can't just count someone, so your totally wrong about that Im trying to make one seem stronger than another. Im just trying to say AGAIN you can automatically count someone, I would have went with it if people actually put some explanation behind there point. Like most of the people posting on this thread had just said goku wins easily, like damn, put some reasoning behind. and when someone puts an issue that contradicts it you can't just say no, or he's a lot stronger. I've brought up amateretsu, thunderclap and susano'o. but still nothing from anyone. and as far as kai always changing it would only take a second to crush someone from the inside. Tsukyumi, time is totally different in that case.

 

[zabuzamistboy]

even if they stayed more cool and collected, which believe me there is way more than that to a fight, if you think thats all there is then you obviously have never been in a fight, DBZ characters get punched through mountains and barely get a scratch, Naruto characters die to throwing knives. even if goku wouldnt destroy the planet, he could still destroy say a 20 mile radius around the Naruto character and that would be a really weak attack for him. he wouldnt even need to go super saiyan. Nagato in Naruto is roughly = to Krillin in DBZ, and im talking krillin really early in the series. There is just no comparison between them really.

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But you also have to realize that i wasn't saying that
its all about being cool and collected. So don't just assume
things, not only that, naruto characters have been punched
into walls and mountains too and still survived!

 

[mcchikeneater]

All i was ever trying to state is that you can't just count someone, so your totally wrong about that Im trying to make one seem stronger than another. Im just trying to say AGAIN you can automatically count someone, I would have went with it if people actually put some explanation behind there point. Like most of the people posting on this thread had just said goku wins easily, like damn, put some reasoning behind. and when someone puts an issue that contradicts it you can't just say no, or he's a lot stronger. I've brought up amateretsu, and susano'o. but still nothing from any.

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throughout 2 different threads today you have been given dozens upon dozens of reasons why Goku would beat Sasuke, you just seem to be incapable of even reading them. Its like your one of those people that just purposely misreads things just because you refuse to listen to any reasoning that contradicts your ideas. Were saying Goku would win easily, because he would. Susano'o isnt indestructible, its just hard to destroy. Gokus power level is like 1000000 times that of Sasuke, he could just spam him with energy balls until Sasuke was out of chakra, or vaporize him with a single Kamehameha, and the only way Sasuke would ever even hit Goku with ameratasu is if he did a sneak attack before Goku knew they were fighting, and then Goku would just instant transmission himself, but not the flames, to another location.

 

[mcchikeneater]

But you also have to realize that i wasn't saying that
its all about being cool and collected. So don't just assume
things, not only that, naruto characters have been punched
into walls and mountains too and still survived!

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[-Yard-]

All i was ever trying to state is that you can't just count someone, so your totally wrong about that Im trying to make one seem stronger than another. Im just trying to say AGAIN you can automatically count someone, I would have went with it if people actually put some explanation behind there point. Like most of the people posting on this thread had just said goku wins easily, like damn, put some reasoning behind. and when someone puts an issue that contradicts it you can't just say no, or he's a lot stronger. I've brought up amateretsu, and susano'o. but still nothing from any.

You saying you're not trying to make one seem stronger than the other:

they really believe deep down that there's never
gonna be a character thats not from the anime that
can beat any of the dbz characters! BS right xD

every time I've brought something
concrete to the debate is was argued with chi and chakra
are different

most
fail to realize that dbz characters fight with blind rage, which is
cool and all, but can never stack up to a ninja.

the little asian dude beats
the crap out of the huge buff guy. BECAUSE THE LITTLE ASAIN
GUY IS CALM AND COLLECTED!

I say sasuke can hit goku with
genjutsu you say he needs chakra

Really now?

People not putting explanations behind their point:

I gave you explanations. If you don't believe what I said was explanations, you wouldn't make it in the naruto rp. It's based on 95% explanations 5% jutsus you use.

Ameterasu:

Instant transmission. Goku is faster than raikage who can dodge ameterasu by adding the body flicker technique to it. Ameterasu wouldn't be able to touch goku. Their eyes are trained to track instantaneous movements as well so yes they could track and react.

Susano:

Really? A wind blade from Danzo can cut into Susano exposing susano bones. SSj1, kamehameha would blast through it. The kamehameha I'm talking about is the one goku used in the Cell saga, the warp Kamehameha which has the ability to destroy a planet.

 

[lswhyte123]

I've finally found the worst of all fanboys/fangirls
and there not minato or tobi fans. There DBZ fans,
they really believe deep down that there's never
gonna be a character thats not from the anime that
can beat any of the dbz characters! BS right xD

Depends who they mean. Videl? Or Bulma? Bulma's Dad? The list goes on, but anyway, the main cast of DBZ are on a different level.

Amaterasu,even if it hit Goku in the eye, would have little impact. The man can take blasts that can tear planets apart. He'd laugh at Amaterasu.

 

[mcchikeneater]

You saying you're not trying to make one seem stronger than the other:















Really now?

People not putting explanations behind their point:

I gave you explanations. If you don't believe what I said was explanations, you wouldn't make it in the naruto rp. It's based on 95% explanations 5% jutsus you use.

Ameterasu:

Instant transmission. Goku is faster than raikage who can dodge ameterasu by adding the body flicker technique to it. Ameterasu wouldn't be able to touch goku. Their eyes are trained to track instantaneous movements as well so yes they could track and react.

Susano:

Really? A wind blade from Danzo can cut into Susano exposing susano bones. SSj1, kamehameha would blast through it. The kamehameha I'm talking about is the one goku used in the Cell saga, the warp Kamehameha which has the ability to destroy a planet.

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[mcchikeneater]

Depends who they mean. Videl? Or Bulma? Bulma's Dad? The list goes on, but anyway, the main cast of DBZ are on a different level.

Amaterasu,even if it hit Goku in the eye, would have little impact. The man can take blasts that can tear planets apart. He'd laugh at Amaterasu.

this kid has been given 100 explanations of why Goku is stronger, but his reply to them was
"you havent given any explanation, you just count sasuke out and assume gokus betters"
no offense to the kid, but hes one of those people that blocks out any reasoning that conflicts with his own ideas, probably one of those kids that covers his ears and goes NANANANANANANANNAANANANNANAN when other kids argue with him at school.

 

[TOADvsSNAKE]

im just sayin that comparing the power of dbz characters and naruto character are too far apart to even be comparable. and another thing is that the techniques are much more adept then naruto characters because they don't have the same natural abilities.

saiyans: warrior race that increase strength after every battle, after near death, and an emotionally triggered transformation that can soon be mastered to change at will

namekians:a warrior race that believes in peace but doesn't have the same passion of fighting as a saiyan. the natural abilities include regeneration hightened senses and adept control of their ki.

humans(aka the special forces) masters of martial arts. dedication to fighting and does anything to get stronger.

now naruto characters.

ninja: a human with the ability after proper training in ninjutsu, are able to manipulate their chakra and use them in battle. some have kekkei genkai (bloodline limits) which includes unique elemental releases, doujutsu (eye techniques), and other unique characteristic.

bijuu: tailed beast, masses of chakra created by the originator of ninjutsu, rikudo sennin.

now which sounds stronger just from the description i gave?

you forgot the truffels a full race of super geniuses, the androids beings with infinite stamina and ki, other aliens like friza king cold cell and those aliens from the black dragon ball ark, and finally you forgot the shenrons, massive dragons of immeasurable power who can grant any wish

 

[Vision]

Goku's DB version of Kamehameha would hurt sasuke and that version is so much inferior to his SSJx versions ...

 

[TheLOLRoller]

I liek it how the OP is not posting anything

 

[mcchikeneater]

Maybe he realized his arguments were invalid.

 

[zabuzamistboy]

GOku can hit him with a kamahama and he could kill sasuke and
susano'o, yea and sasuke can have susano'o hit him the the
endless genjutsu! its all in the matter of possibility's that one
can see happening. And Raikage knows about amateretsu so
he knows when to dodge, goku doesn't know a damn thing. But im
done with this thread because you keep failing to see my god damn
message, and its not that he can win, shit sasuke is more than
likely to lose, BUT HOWEVER, WITH ALL OF NINJUTSU AND GENJUTSU
IM SURE THAT HE'D PUT UP A HELL OF A FIGHT!

 

[zabuzamistboy]

What is anyone of the characters in Naruto gonna do when Goku just destroys the planet?

yea, and what is goku gonna do if susano'o hits his a** with his sword!
it goes both ways!!

 

[-Cerberus-]

Gotenks travels the distance around the world (24,859.82 miles) half a dozen times in an undetermined amount of time... while light would circle the planet 9 times per second.
Goku was about .002% the speed of light when he traveled across snake way.
By the time saskue can do anything his head's rolling on the floor. Even though im a saskue fanboy (saskue rules !!!!) i have to say it, saskue is nowhere near dbz. Kamehameha can most likely pierce through susanoo.

 

[zabuzamistboy]

Gotenks travels the distance around the world (24,859.82 miles) half a dozen times in an undetermined amount of time... while light would circle the planet 9 times per second.
Goku was about .002% the speed of light when he traveled across snake way.
By the time saskue can do anything his head's rolling on the floor. Even though im a saskue fanboy (saskue rules !!!!) i have to say it, saskue is nowhere near dbz. Kamehameha can most likely pierce through susanoo.

re-read this!!
"But im
done with this thread because you keep failing to see my god damn
message, and its not that he can win, shit sasuke is more than
likely to lose, BUT HOWEVER, WITH ALL OF NINJUTSU AND GENJUTSU
IM SURE THAT HE'D PUT UP A HELL OF A FIGHT!"

 

[-Cerberus-]

re-read this!!
"But im
done with this thread because you keep failing to see my god damn
message, and its not that he can win, shit sasuke is more than
likely to lose, BUT HOWEVER, WITH ALL OF NINJUTSU AND GENJUTSU
IM SURE THAT HE'D PUT UP A HELL OF A FIGHT!"

bye bye take care

 

[sakurapinkpower]

Nah he's not invalid, He is just frustrated for not any of you people
to opening up your mind to anything else.

 

[~Yubel~]

In the world of naruto there is something called genjutsu so even though dbz characters are powerful, they´re in the end a bunch of idiots who don´t use their heads well.

Once in a genjutsu, there is no way they´re getting out of it no matter how weak cuz it´s in the mind, only a ninja can detect and overcome it.