[Discussion] Ivankov vs Gaunlet

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Location - Dressrosa
Intel - Manga

S1- Heals after each fight
S2- Doesn't heal after each fight

>Smoker
>Vergo(Base)
>Vergo(Full Haki)
>Pica
>Burgess
>Zoro
>Luffy
>Law

 

[xanonymosx]

s1: stops at FBH
s2:base vergo is more than enough

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

s1: stops at FBH
s2:base vergo is more than enough

R u serious a barely serious ivan one shotted sanji something vergo cannot do (heat him yes but not one shot)

By portrayal he should be around Kuma lvl if he as haki it only adds to his fire power which he most likley has cuz sanjiw has it and had to learn it from someone similar to zoro


U also realize he can heal himself with or without the heals u give him via injections I say he takes it tbh or stops at law extreme diff

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

R u serious a barely serious ivan one shotted sanji something vergo cannot do (heat him yes but not one shot)

By portrayal he should be around Kuma lvl if he as haki it only adds to his fire power which he most likley has cuz sanjiw has it and had to learn it from someone similar to zoro


U also realize he can heal himself with or without the heals u give him via injections I say he takes it tbh or stops at law extreme diff

That was pre TS Sanji

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

That was pre TS Sanji

True but he was tht high enough leveled he also fought kuma (brainless yes but still kuma) and briefly meglagan

By portrayal he should be on an alive brain kuma or slighkty bellow him


I dnt get why u ppl (not saying u specfically) give sabo hype of being with dragon and he has little to no feats but ppl put him over doffy jozu marco etc but ivan who has been with Dragon for years and has his own healing abilities etc and has shown speed and strength feats tht r good y'all dnt give him the hype of being a very important member of revolutionary army ...

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

1. Heals ... Stop at Burgess, High - Extreme diff
2. Doesn't heal ... Stop at Pica, High diff

 

[xanonymosx]

R u serious a barely serious ivan one shotted sanji something vergo cannot do (heat him yes but not one shot)

By portrayal he should be around Kuma lvl if he as haki it only adds to his fire power which he most likley has cuz sanjiw has it and had to learn it from someone similar to zoro


U also realize he can heal himself with or without the heals u give him via injections I say he takes it tbh or stops at law extreme diff

well as macho said that was pre skip
yeah i know he can heal him self but i thought his heals were restricted in the first scenario cause if they were not there is no point in having tow scenarios :|

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

R u serious a barely serious ivan one shotted sanji something vergo cannot do (heat him yes but not one shot)

By portrayal he should be around Kuma lvl if he as haki it only adds to his fire power which he most likley has cuz sanjiw has it and had to learn it from someone similar to zoro


U also realize he can heal himself with or without the heals u give him via injections I say he takes it tbh or stops at law extreme diff

Heals are restricted for S2 even though Iva can heal himself. And the bold, you think he can beat Luffy? I placed Law after Luffy so if you say he stops at Law you think he can beat Luffy? How can he counter Hawk Gataling?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Heals are restricted for S2 even though Iva can heal himself. And the bold, you think he can beat Luffy? I placed Law after Luffy so if you say he stops at Law you think he can beat Luffy? How can he counter Hawk Gataling?

Within the anime (not sure about the manga) ivan created a mask at his makeup tht blocked akainu lava and mellagalan poison as well... It's in his bio as well


I think he can beat luffy extreme diff for either (if including his heals if no luffy prob beats him high diff) because he can inject luffy with different type of inzymes to mess with luffy body perhaps making him weak or stronger etc if he turns luffy into a women he won't know how to use tht type of body because he won't have the strength as he did when he was a man not to mention ivan controls the hormones in ppls bodies I wish we learned more about his devil fruit I love his abilities

As for law law would stay away from ivan whereas luffy would try to go head on and tht s bad when fighting ivan type of devil fruit also for gatling type of attacks ivan has shown the speed of being fast against kuma I believe luffy is way faster then him but he should be able to react to him

Not to mention hell wink and death wiink

 

[Kingu]

Scenario1 Zoro
Scenario 2 Pica

 

[Hexuze]

The ordering is terrible, lel.

S1 - Stops at FBH Vergo
S2 - Loses to base Vergo

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This ordering sucks. FBH Vergo>Pica high diff and Luffy>Law.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ivankov can beat Smoker and Pica in a 1v1, but everyone else beats him one on one.

 

[Hexuze]

Ivankov can beat Smoker and Pica in a 1v1, but everyone else beats him one on one.

I'd add Zoro to that list, since pre-TS Sanji wasn't much of a challenge so knows how strong post-TS Ivankov is. He's a commander of the revolutionary so I don't think Zoro is at his level of strength, probably even Burgess as well.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I'd add Zoro to that list, since pre-TS Sanji wasn't much of a challenge so knows how strong post-TS Ivankov is. He's a commander of the revolutionary so I don't think Zoro is at his level of strength, probably even Burgess as well.

The weaker-than-a-Pacifista Pre TS Sanji being taken out no diff by Ivankov doesn't make Ivankov stronger than Zoro since Zoro could no diff a Pacifista. Would you also put any division commander not named Marco, Jozu, Vista, and Ace(think Zoro is equal to him) above Zoro since they are a commander of a very strong group/organization? Also, if Ivankov can beat Zoro, then he can definitely beat Vergo as well since Zoro is stronger than Vergo.

 

[Hexuze]

The weaker-than-a-Pacifista Pre TS Sanji being taken out no diff by Ivankov doesn't make Ivankov stronger than Zoro since Zoro could no diff a Pacifista. Would you also put any division commander not named Marco, Jozu, Vista, and Ace(think Zoro is equal to him) above Zoro since they are a commander of a very strong group/organization? Also, if Ivankov can beat Zoro, then he can definitely beat Vergo as well since Zoro is stronger than Vergo.

Ivankov is a commander and is close with Dragon, we don't know the full hierarchy of the rev's but I doubt Zoro is stronger. The WB analogy doesn't fit well since Ivankov is a named commander of the rev's and has strong ties with Dragon, he isn't some newbie. Nope, Vergo is stronger than Zoro.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Location - Dressrosa
Intel - Manga

S1- Heals after each fight
S2- Doesn't heal after each fight

>Smoker
>Vergo(Base)
>Vergo(Full Haki)
>Pica
>Burgess
>Zoro
>Luffy
>Law

This gauntlet makes no sense because the order of characters in terms of strength is jumbled

I'd say Burgess > Ivankov > Everyone else in the list

He/She gets to about Pica in a true Gauntlet

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

The weaker-than-a-Pacifista Pre TS Sanji being taken out no diff by Ivankov doesn't make Ivankov stronger than Zoro since Zoro could no diff a Pacifista. Would you also put any division commander not named Marco, Jozu, Vista, and Ace(think Zoro is equal to him) above Zoro since they are a commander of a very strong group/organization? Also, if Ivankov can beat Zoro, then he can definitely beat Vergo as well since Zoro is stronger than Vergo.

But this is the exact reason yall (not saying u spwcfically ) put sabo over a bunch of ppl (I've heard ace doffy Marco jozu etc) sure sabo has clashed with an admiral and no diff a vice and out haki burgess

Ivan has clashed with Kuma robot (actually damaged him) survivied clashes with both mellagalan and akainu etc with his devil fruit creating shields with make up


He has done almost the same type of stuff as sabo bar haki ... Feats

Yet it's ok for sabo but not Ivan

 

[MickNerks]

>Smoker
>Vergo(Base)
>Vergo(Full Haki)
>Pica
>Burgess
>Zoro
>Luffy
>Law

Ivankov clears the gauntlet.

Ivankov is still significantly stronger than post timeskip sanji, which is clear when we notice the training of the other M3.

Mihawk >Post-ts Zoro
Rayleigh >post-ts Luffy
Ivankov > post-ts Sanji

Im absolutely sure smoker is no problem for invankov, since we have seen vergo destroy him.

Vergo also wouldnt be a problem for ivankov, FBH or not, since we clearly saw him struggling with sanji, who didnt even use haki.

I really dont see Burgess, Luffy, Zoro, or Pica causing Post-TS Ivankov any problems, when ivankov was easily able to hold off Batholomew kuma. And also was able to hold her own against Akainu (Admiral) and Magellan (Admiral Level) and was the only one to ever survive Magellan's poison (excluding luffy who needed ivankov to do it), and toyed with him the entire time.

Honestly, if Law cant beat doflamingo than I definitely cant see how Law can beat Ivankov, when Ivankov and Kuma were thought to be equals, and pre timeskip kuma was thought to be stronger than PRE-TS Doflomingo.

Ivankov should be able to clear this gauntlet.

 

[Hexuze]

Ivankov clears the gauntlet.

Ivankov is still significantly stronger than post timeskip sanji, which is clear when we notice the training of the other M3.

Mihawk >Post-ts Zoro
Rayleigh >post-ts Luffy
Ivankov > post-ts Sanji

Im absolutely sure smoker is no problem for invankov, since we have seen vergo destroy him.

Vergo also wouldnt be a problem for ivankov, FBH or not, since we clearly saw him struggling with sanji, who didnt even use haki.

I really dont see Burgess, Luffy, Zoro, or Pica causing Post-TS Ivankov any problems, when ivankov was easily able to hold off Batholomew kuma. And also was able to hold her own against Akainu (Admiral) and Magellan (Admiral Level) and was the only one to ever survive Magellan's poison (excluding luffy who needed ivankov to do it), and toyed with him the entire time.

Honestly, if Law cant beat doflamingo than I definitely cant see how Law can beat Ivankov, when Ivankov and Kuma were thought to be equals, and pre timeskip kuma was thought to be stronger than PRE-TS Doflomingo.

Ivankov should be able to clear this gauntlet.

@bold If anything he was "struggling" more with Smoker than Sanji. With Sanji, he didn't have to resort to using haki against him. Not to mention, Sanji's fight lasted a few pages and Smoker's fight was a lot longer. Ivankov stops at Vergo, I can't see him hurting Vergo through his FBH.