It's time to get over it, Madara is weaker than Hashirama.

[EZQ]

Kurama is Madara's summon :l , but yes Hashirama > EMS Madara (with kyuuby)

BUT

Current madara with rinngengan > Hashirama

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I'm not going to bother, I'm sure every member noticed the stupidity in your previous post.

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lmfao yeah really actually. He can not only control it, he can also summon it. Its stupid to say its not
his power because then I can easily say that hashis SM isnt his power either by that logic, (you need large chakra reserves, just like a senju in order to master SM, just as you would need MS in order to control and effectively use kurama)

Get at me bro, I can easily rebut you all day on how kurama is madara's b*tch


Yeah, thats why I said EMS, but regardless edo madara can still summon him, its just stuck in naruto so its restricted, (meaning he cant use him)



No im saying that hashi >= EMS madara

They are nearly equal

Every Uchiha with a MS can tame Kurama, it's not that hard.

 

[Itachi Rane]

you are an ignorant hater.....after the epic clash between kurama susanoo and thousand hands buddha both madara and hashirama were at their limits. Both were almost out of chakra and were run out of techniques......the fight came down to the level where they had to rely only on brute force and weapons.......so stop saying that madara is weaker than hashirama.....he was strong enough to push hashirama to use his ultimate technique that thousand hands and eventually all of those hands were destroyed, plus kurama was out of madara's control. So it simply means that till that stage both were more or less equals. And yes kurama is madara's power. He is using it as a summon, he is controlling it using his visual prowess and also protecting it with his susanoo which is creditable indeed. Madara could have used PS to protect himself, but by using it on kurama madara himself was VULNERABLE, obviously it is way lot harder to control something as powerful as kurama and at the same time holding your own. Madara did that. And it's not like he had DIRECT ACCESS to kurama's powers like BM naruto. Still he used his extreme skill to take the fight to a level one can only imagine of. Give the guy some credit please. He was weak before...but in that fight he wasn't weaker than hashirama...they were at equal power levels.......

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'm not going to bother, I'm sure every member noticed the stupidity in your previous post.

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Sure ur not goin to bother.
U just cant discriminate things, even if u bother u wouldnt come up with any good answer.

 

[Multiply]

No im saying that hashi >= EMS madara

They are nearly equal

Agreed. I believe they are close and power, but Hashi clearly beats him out. Hashi was fighting Kurama and Madara without his sage mode without hesitation. His sage mode was used to subdue Kurama quickly, and finish up the fight.

 

[Draphsin]

Every Uchiha with a MS can tame Kurama, it's not that hard.

Just like every senju with large chakra reserves can master SM

Why do you keep missing the point.....?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Sure ur not goin to bother.
U just cant discriminate things, even if u bother u wouldnt come up with any good answer.

Now you're honestly making me laugh. I really can't take you seriously.

Just like every senju with large chakra reserves can master SM

Why do you keep missing the point.....?

Actually, anyone with a large chakra reserve can master SM, not JUST a Senju.

 

[Strawberry]

The amount of threads I saw today claiming Madara is either on par with Hashirama, or stronger than Hashirama is truly unbelievable.

At first, Hashirama was hesitant in actually killing Madara, he tried to talk sense into him.

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And now I'm hearing some bullshit excuse of Madara deactivating his Sharingan because he thought he won, guess what? That's his problem. Who's to say he wasn't nearly out of chakra? Point is, the whole point of clones is to trick the enemy, and that's exactly what Hashirama did. He made use of his jutsu, and he ultimately won. Hashirama was whooping on Madara since the early days man, he would of won either way.

You know what else is funny? Madara needs the Kyuubi to even compete with Hashirama.

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Madara would of been long dead anyways

as far as we know that was a test and i wouldn't riule out izanami or izanagi/ at that distance an amaterasu would be unavoidable using it might ahve killed him but yea..

 

[rainman00]

Every Uchiha with a MS can tame Kurama, it's not that hard.

u make it seem like every uchiha n there momma is walking around with ms when only madara itachi obito sasuke and izuna are the only ones that unlock ms n out of the names only madara and obito are shown to be able tame a tail beast

 

[Draphsin]

Now you're honestly making me laugh. I really can't take you seriously.



Actually, anyone with a large chakra reserve can master SM, not JUST a Senju.

Show me someone who mastered SM and isnt from the senju lineage

u make it seem like every uchiha n there momma is walking around with ms when only madara itachi obito sasuke and izuna are the only ones that unlock ms n out of the names only madara and obito are shown to be able tame a tail beast

lol this too..I dont see too many uchiha with MS back in madaras days...

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

u make it seem like every uchiha n there momma is walking around with ms when only madara itachi obito sasuke and izuna are the only ones that unlock ms n out of the names only madara and obito are shown to be able tame a tail beast

Right, so that's 2/5 shown being able to control Kurama, right? Who's to say the others can't? All MS users are able to, and if you hadn't noticed, it's sealed inside Naruto so you can't expect the others to do it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Now you're honestly making me laugh. I really can't take you seriously.

Ur the clown here. All talk but when faced against harsh logic no answer.

Actually, anyone with a large chakra reserve can master SM, not JUST a Senju.

True, so could madara. Aint that right?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Show me someone who mastered SM and isnt from the senju lineage

Kabuto. Happy?

 

[Draphsin]

Kabuto. Happy?

lol kabuto looks like a full fledged dragon. If his SM was perfect then he would be normal, and dont say that kabuto experimented on himself or some crap because he grew horns in SM and that is clearly a snake/dragon trait that he didnt have before...

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Ur the clown here. All talk but when faced against harsh logic no answer.


True, so could madara. Aint that right?

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You need large reserves, that's how it is.

Just read this. SM is a Senjutsu, something you have to train for, the Kyuubi is different. Obito literally just extracted it, and tamed it. Had it not been for Kurama, he would of got spanked even harder by Minato, and Minato would of stayed alive. It doesn't take anything whatsoever to tame a Bijuu, when presented with a MS.

 

[Hazed]

Kurama is EMS madara's freaking power. Get over it

You imply that Naruto has Madara's EMS?

 

[Draphsin]

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You need large reserves, that's how it is.

Just read this. SM is a Senjutsu, something you have to train for, the Kyuubi is different. Obito literally just extracted it, and tamed it. Had it not been for Kurama, he would of got spanked even harder by Minato, and Minato would of stayed alive. It doesn't take anything whatsoever to tame a Bijuu, when presented with a MS.

1. Only senju have been shown to master SM. Others who just possess strong chakra dont fully grasp its power. And anyways this is off track from the original point. Nothing separates kurama from another ninja tool other than the fact that you need to be skilled in order to control and effectively use it

2. Do you not have to train to master the various stages of the sharinngan? Madara obviously taught obito how to properly use kurama...It was obito's power until minato disarmed him. He is a ninja tool....I dont know how many times I have to repeat myself

 

[AlphaScythian]

Kabuto. Happy?

And thats entirely different SM. Kabuto doesnt have huge stamina. Orochimaru also learned it and he has 3.5 stamina which allows sasuke to have it too.

And with ur post above regarding SM, what was it for? U didnt refute my point.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

lol kabuto looks like a full fledged dragon. If his SM was perfect then he would be normal, and dont say that kabuto experimented on himself or some crap because he grew horns in SM and that is clearly a snake/dragon trait that he didnt have before...

So you're saying Kabuto never perfected SM? Lmao, please. How the heck would you know? He hasn't shown any signs of not perfecting it. His body was already snake-like before he displayed SM. Yeah, maybe he got the horns as a SM trait. Just like how Naruto's eyes change when he enters SM. SM have traits, which affect appearance, just look at Naruto and Hashirama.

And thats entirely different SM. Kabuto doesnt have huge stamina. Orochimaru also learned it and he has 3.5 stamina which allows sasuke to have it too.

Show me a scan of where it says Orochimaru mastered SM? You're really making things up now, Orochimaru never had Sage mode...

Please do NOT reply unless you have a scan where it says Orochimaru mastered it, or was shown using it.

 

[Itachi Rane]

Neither does nature energy belong to hashirama, he also has to seize it and control. Its all the same.

Precisely...in fact same goes for bijuu mode. Moreover in BM the user gets DIRECT ACCESS to kurama powers and uses them as his own. Madara on the other hand controlled kurama at the cost of his own chakra leaving himself vulnerable to hashirama's attacks. It is far more difficult in a way...yet Madara did it.