It's time to get over it, Madara is weaker than Hashirama.

[AlphaScythian]

We should get an explanation as to how madara escaped such an experienced fighter who still has no idea.
Same these new emoticons i have already complained. They are fugly. The blue's look like smurfs.
As for that guy, what can i say.
It seems he has rubbed some people the wrong way already within the few months he joined.
Things should get interesting though

Here is explanation:
Madara used weak genjutsu starting at last EMS frame. This genjutsu had as primary task to make hashi think madara's EMS is no more (like sasuke vs danzo). This would make hashirama to use clones and madara was betting on it. Madara faked he didnt notice it. He also made hashi miss the heart via genjutsu control. On the panel after madara got stabbed u can see SFX "FWIP" which is used for sharingan deactivation. The page doesnt show EMS cuz its recreation from hashi's memory.
Madara had no armour on and was smiling after stabbed, kinda hints genjutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Oh my lord! It's a ****ing manga, meaning, THEY'RE ****ING PICTURES. If Kishi was to illustrate the whole damn fight, he'd be writing about 50-100 pages a week, which is ludicrous. I don't know if you hadn't noticed, but it's hard to make something seem so long when it's just a drawing. You, my friend, are an idiot. Why do you think the anime studio's add their own shit every time? Because if they went by the manga, every episode would be about 1 minute or less, can't you understand this?
Mate, are you 11?

No ur fkn 11. Anime studios do their best to extend the time. I guess u dont understand that TBB has small flight time yet hashi was able to crate huge mokuton beast to catch it in time, and so on. But hey ur 11.

 

[Omnipotent]

No ur fkn 11. Anime studios do their best to extend the time. I guess u dont understand that TBB has small flight time yet hashi was able to crate huge mokuton beast to catch it in time, and so on. But hey ur 11.

Somebody's mad

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

No ur fkn 11. Anime studios do their best to extend the time. I guess u dont understand that TBB has small flight time yet hashi was able to crate huge mokuton beast to catch it in time, and so on. But hey ur 11.

This was one of, if not the biggest fight between two Shinobi, and you think the fight took ten minutes or half an hour? Damn... you cannot be saved. I'm done.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Somebody's mad

Not yet, im close thou.

 

[AlphaScythian]

This was one of, if not the biggest fight between two Shinobi, and you think the fight took ten minutes or half an hour? Damn... you cannot be saved. I'm done.

Yeah dude nuclear war takes only 30 min to end.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Yeah dude nuclear war takes only 30 min to end.

Lmao, you're a really funny guy, you know that?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Lmao, you're a really funny guy, you know that?

Im glad if ur laughing, could be worse

 

[taladagah]

Actually, you just contradicted yourself. You tried making Naruto sound like a weakling without Kurama, when in fact SM Naruto alone makes him around low Kage level.

no, we cant forget SM naruto went one on one with 6 pains while Tsunade couldnt. so SM naruto is high kage level. not hishi high but high none the less

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

no, we cant forget SM naruto went one on one with 6 pains while Tsunade couldnt. so SM naruto is high kage level. not hishi high but high none the less

It seems you're forgetting he had intel. Naruto could be any level of Kage, but my initial point was he is Kage level in Sage mode. By the way, Tsunade ran out of chakra. Luckily for her, Naruto showed up, because Pain would of destroyed her, with or without chakra.

 

[The Hero]

The amount of threads I saw today claiming Madara is either on par with Hashirama, or stronger than Hashirama is truly unbelievable.

At first, Hashirama was hesitant in actually killing Madara, he tried to talk sense into him.

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And now I'm hearing some bullshit excuse of Madara deactivating his Sharingan because he thought he won, guess what? That's his problem. Who's to say he wasn't nearly out of chakra? Point is, the whole point of clones is to trick the enemy, and that's exactly what Hashirama did. He made use of his jutsu, and he ultimately won. Hashirama was whooping on Madara since the early days man, he would of won either way.

You know what else is funny? Madara needs the Kyuubi to even compete with Hashirama.

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Madara would of been long dead anyways

1. Saying that controlling Kurama makes him weak makes no sense. Hashi used the giant summoning statue.
2. Hashirama did not win because Hashi died and Madara survived.
3. Manga facts and evidence prove that Madara used a genjutsu on Hashirama to fake his death. Look under the forums and you'll find it...
4. Hashi hasn't been whooping Madara. If you read the manga BEFORE last we see that Madara took on the Senju clan alone(after the death of Izuna), fought for one day, and then was defeated. If Hashi & Senju vs Madara was tough, how do you suppose Hashi vs the Uchiha clan would go?

Don't generalize things and look for flame wars please.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

1. Saying that controlling Kurama makes him weak makes no sense. Hashi used the giant summoning statue.
Which he created from the ground up, with his Kekkei Genkai, molding it with his own chakra. Oh, and did I say he's weak? No, I didn't. Stop putting words in my mouth
2. Hashirama did not win because Hashi died and Madara survived.
Lmao, did Madara kill Hashirama though? No, he never. He had NO PART in Hashirama's death whatsoever.
3. Manga facts and evidence prove that Madara used a genjutsu on Hashirama to fake his death. Look under the forums and you'll find it...
Every thing up until now is a theory. Whatever the theories say must wait until the manga confirms it.
4. Hashi hasn't been whooping Madara. If you read the manga BEFORE last we see that Madara took on the Senju clan alone(after the death of Izuna), fought for one day, and then was defeated. If Hashi & Senju vs Madara was tough, how do you suppose Hashi vs the Uchiha clan would go?
If you believe that, you're ignorant. You think Madara was fighting the Senju clan alone for a whole day? Madara cannot handle the Hashirama alone, let alone TOBIRAMA AND THE WHOLE FREAKING CLAN. We never saw the fight, and it's a manga fact that the Senju were superior in battle, so It's safe to say Madara's companions got killed, while he fought Hashirama. To say he could stand up to the Senju clan alone is plain ignorance
Don't generalize things and look for flame wars please.

Answers in bold.

 

[spike2068]

But dude that's like saying hashirama needs the most gigantic wood summon or w/e it is to compete with Madara's power. Give madara just as much credit for the nine tails/ps combo as you give hashirama shinsenju/wood dragon combo because at the end of the day it is both their powers.

i dont think that was a summon. And the dif between normal summons and madara using kurama is that normal summons have free will. they can CHOOSE not to help fight kurama could not. And even if you think of kurama as a summoning tool madara still needed him (arguably the strongest being in the NV besides Juubi) to even compete with hashi who was by himself. Its a whole nother mass of chakra and existence. A good example would be even if someone with doujutsu controlled a strong ninja and ganged up on another strong ninja and killed him it doesnt make the doujutsu user "stronger" it makes him weaker since he needed back up to beat someone. He still needed the help of another being

 

[spike2068]

1. Saying that controlling Kurama makes him weak makes no sense. Hashi used the giant summoning statue.
2. Hashirama did not win because Hashi died and Madara survived.
3. Manga facts and evidence prove that Madara used a genjutsu on Hashirama to fake his death. Look under the forums and you'll find it...
4. Hashi hasn't been whooping Madara. If you read the manga BEFORE last we see that Madara took on the Senju clan alone(after the death of Izuna), fought for one day, and then was defeated. If Hashi & Senju vs Madara was tough, how do you suppose Hashi vs the Uchiha clan would go?

Don't generalize things and look for flame wars please.

you dont know how hashi died lol what if he had a heart attack, he still won the battle. Madara couldnt defeat him so hashi won, he was the one who was still standing. Since when does living longer (only because of the tree) mean you won a fight 100 years ago?

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

I may have already state this.Whats wrong with my fellow madara fanboys hasirama is strong back then but he will get fodderized now

 

[spike2068]

I may have already state this.Whats wrong with my fellow madara fanboys hasirama is strong back then but he will get fodderized now

lol you mean now that madara has some of hashis dna lol thats not something to bragg about my firend. "I couldnt beat you before so now I will become you.......so I can beat you......." yeah that makes sense lets bragg about that

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

irrelevant. what matters is your prime. prime madara is the current one

 

[Dark Slayer]

Kurama is Madara's summon :l , but yes Hashirama > EMS Madara (with kyuuby)

BUT

Current madara with rinngengan > Hashirama

The most correct post I have seen.