It's time to get over it, Madara is weaker than Hashirama.

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Stop nitpicking my words and rebut my statement...You wont because you cant

You dig yourself deeper.....

Actually, you just contradicted yourself. You tried making Naruto sound like a weakling without Kurama, when in fact SM Naruto alone makes him around low Kage level.

 

[Draphsin]

You really can't prove any of that. My words come from common sense. If it takes so much chakra, you really think Madara could fight for hours on end? It's just common sense. By the way, using that Mokuton on Minato is useless, and Kishi may have just gave it to him, as we weren't aware of his past at the time of his skirmish with Minato. Senju cells has no effect on controlling Bijuu.

1. Yes I can, i told you which manga scans to look at

EMS > MS in terms of chakra reserves, now THAT is common sense.

2. Point is you cant use obito as an example because he has uchiha and senju dna, so the stamina reduction is next to nothing

Actually, you just contradicted yourself. You tried making Naruto sound like a weakling without Kurama, when in fact SM Naruto alone makes him around low Kage level.

Holy sh*t that doesnt matter..I never once contradicted myself..You just completely miss the point time, and time again.............................EMS madara without kurama counts just as much as naruto without kurama, that is your logic.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

1. Yes I can, i told you which manga scans to look at

EMS > MS in terms of chakra reserves, now THAT is common sense.

2. Point is you cant use obito as an example because he has uchiha and senju dna, so the stamina reduction is next to nothing

EMS > MS.

Do you know what the whole point of EMS is? It's to not put strain on the eyes, it has nothing to do with chakra reserves. By that, I mean it doesn't affect chakra.

So what? They're the only two who were able to control Kurama and not once did they complain about chakra reduction. Madara clearly fought for hours on end, while practically looking exited throughout the whole fight.

 

[Founding Fire Shadow]

While it may be in Madara's power to "control" Kurama, that does not mean Kurama's strength can be counted as Madara's, as Kurama is a living entity completely separate from Madara & his base power, its not the same as learning to manipulate latent energy, Kurama is a sentient life-force hypnotized to do Madara's will, as such it can be separated from Madara as it is an external power source, Hashirama's powers & skills are his own & cannot be rested from his by something as simple as a contract seal, with that said the same goes for any summon & its summoner, regardless, in the end Madara is still an immensely powerful shinobi.shodaimeicon:

 

[taladagah]

LMFAO madara cheated???

Im done arguing with this nonsense

bout time geez!

 

[KidGamer65]

and how exactly do you know that?

Obviously its a jutsu as she said Senpou Mokuton: Shinsuusenju and clapped his hands together. Not to mention he never even used Kuchiyose no Jutsu so how is he even going to summon it? Its definitely a jutsu.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Holy sh*t that doesnt matter..I never once contradicted myself..You just completely miss the point time, and time again.............................EMS madara without kurama counts just as much as naruto without kurama, that is your logic.

If you want me to say Naruto isn't as strong as he would be with Kurama, then obviously. You just have a shit way of wording things.

 

[Draphsin]

EMS > MS.

Do you know what the whole point of EMS is? It's to not put strain on the eyes, it has nothing to do with chakra reserves. By that, I mean it doesn't affect chakra.

So what? They're the only two who were able to control Kurama and not once did they complain about chakra reduction. Madara clearly fought for hours on end, while practically looking exited throughout the whole fight.

Obito with kamui doesnt complain about chakra reduction, so he is irrelevant

And you seem to not want to review those chapters...Sasuke didnt complain about his stamina once during kabuto's fight, despite the fact that he spemmed susanoo and ama throughout

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Obito comments on how susanoo and ama will wear him out already. Notice how he doesnt mention his eyes but his overall condition? If you compare this to kabuto's fight then its obvious that sasuke gets more stamina along with EMS

 

[AlphaScythian]

Do you really think Hashirama's fight with Madara took a few minute? They were most likely fighting for hours, all day even... if it took so long, you really think he would still be able to fight? By the way, Kabuto is able to use SM until he runs out of chakra now, because of Juugo's cells, he's able to absorb an unlimited amount of nature energy.

Madara was able to fight senjus for 24 hours his chakra level only second to hashirama. But yeah kurama was only present in a fight for what 5-10 min? The rest of it went w/o kurama. Look at obito he had mokuton, sharingan, outer path, chakra rods, all there is. He still had problems with bijus, and they couldnt even match half kurama. Minato also implied on limited time obito could control kurama.

Every SM is until u run out of chakra. Juugo cells is another story, or does hashi have them? But even juugo runs out of it.

You really can't prove any of that. My words come from common sense. If it takes so much chakra, you really think Madara could fight for hours on end? It's just common sense. By the way, using that Mokuton on Minato is useless, and Kishi may have just gave it to him, as we weren't aware of his past at the time of his skirmish with Minato. Senju cells has no effect on controlling Bijuu.

Look above or show me scan when some1 uses kurama with genjutsu for hours. Senju cells have no effect?
SPOILER alert. Duh hello how the fuk do they control juubi???

 

[Draphsin]

If you want me to say Naruto isn't as strong as he would be with Kurama, then obviously. You just have a shit way of wording things.

Do you ever go into a vs thread and say "naruto without kurama would get stomped by ninja A"? Because if you dont then you admit that he is naruto's power just as much as he is EMS madara's. Counting naruto's power without kurama is the exact same thing as counting madara's without him

 

[Sexy Steel]

madara fanbois u mad ?

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[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Obito with kamui doesnt complain about chakra reduction, so he is irrelevant

And you seem to not want to review those chapters...Sasuke didnt complain about his stamina once during kabuto's fight, despite the fact that he spemmed susanoo and ama throughout

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Obito comments on how susanoo and ama will wear him out already. Notice how he doesnt mention his eyes but his overall condition? If you compare this to kabuto's fight then its obvious that sasuke gets more stamina along with EMS

Maybe because Obito wasn't a commentator during the Kabuto and Sasuke fight? Furthermore, that was only his second use of Amaterasu, and his second use of Susano'o. They're two techniques which take up a lot of chakra, and he's just gotten used to it. You know what, I think you're confusing chakra control with overall chakra. Lets take this for example, Kakashi was only able to use Kamui ONCE at the start of Shippuden, but as he progressed, he could use it a lot more. Does that make his chakra pool increase? No, that's ridiculous. It just means your chakra control has improved drastically, and that's what happened with Sasuke.

Do you ever go into a vs thread and say "naruto without kurama would get stomped by ninja A"? Because if you dont then you admit that he is naruto's power just as much as he is EMS madara's. Counting naruto's power without kurama is the exact same thing as counting madara's without him

For the 3rd + time, I didn't say he isn't a part of Naruto's power, I said he needs Kurama to compete with Hashirama, what don't you understand? Forget about Naruto

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Madara was able to fight senjus for 24 hours his chakra level only second to hashirama. But yeah kurama was only present in a fight for what 5-10 min? The rest of it went w/o kurama. Look at obito he had mokuton, sharingan, outer path, chakra rods, all there is. He still had problems with bijus, and they couldnt even match half kurama. Minato also implied on limited time obito could control kurama.

Every SM is until u run out of chakra. Juugo cells is another story, or does hashi have them? But even juugo runs out of it.


Look above or show me scan when some1 uses kurama with genjutsu for hours. Senju cells have no effect?
SPOILER alert. Duh hello how the fuk do they control juubi???

So you're saying, Madara used Kurama for 5-10 minutes? You're being completely ridiculous, Madara clearly used him from the very beginning, if you can't understand this, debating with you is pointless. Where did Minato imply he had a limited time? Scan please?

Hashirama's cells were said to STRENGTHEN the control of the Juubi, you don't literally need it to control Bijuu. Obito wasn't even able to control Kurama for long, Minato stopped him too early anyways.

A thread wasn't needed tbh.
If you have been on nb long as me or even longer you will see all kinds of nonsense. If you decide to create a thread for all of these nonsense you will end up wasting your time.

Just lol at the comment and move on.

But yes, hahsirama is obviously stronger than madara.
However that fight ended in a draw

I had to make it clear, yeah, I'm probably wasting my time, but Madara fans got a bit too exited. I also do not believe it was a draw... Hashirama was clearly the victor, until the manga clarifies Madara's methods in surviving.

P.S: Derp Obito is a little twat, aint he?

 

[Blaze Release]

I had to make it clear, yeah, I'm probably wasting my time, but Madara fans got a bit too exited. I also do not believe it was a draw... Hashirama was clearly the victor, until the manga clarifies Madara's methods in surviving.

P.S: Derp Obito is a little twat, aint he?

The manga doesn't need to confirm how madara escaped because we know he escaped and fooled hashirama till this day, who still hasn't got a clue and still thinks he killed him [

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Both won and lost.

Hashirama won the fight and inflicted deep hounds to madara
Madara escaped and got what he came for, while trolling hashirama

It was neither a complete win or loss for either. The both got something out of it

Lmao it would appear he has also picked something with you

 

[AlphaScythian]

So you're saying, Madara used Kurama for 5-10 minutes? You're being completely ridiculous, Madara clearly used him from the very beginning, if you can't understand this, debating with you is pointless. Where did Minato imply he had a limited time? Scan please?

Let me recap. Some clash with ninja tools>kurama>dragon>TBB>living soul>Susanoo>explosion>sword slashes>hashi runs>TBB+Gates>Budda After small chit chat>BADOOM>kurama Captured. Fine 30 min at best (being generous since most of it instant moves). So either FU or show some decency

Hashirama's cells were said to STRENGTHEN the control of the Juubi, you don't literally need it to control Bijuu. Obito wasn't even able to control Kurama for long, Minato stopped him too early anyways.

Hashirama cells are essentially MS counter part via body, u can control bijus with it.

I had to make it clear, yeah, I'm probably wasting my time, but Madara fans got a bit too exited. I also do not believe it was a draw... Hashirama was clearly the victor, until the manga clarifies Madara's methods in surviving.
P.S: Derp Obito is a little twat, aint he?

Actually the opposite. Hashirama fans got excited, all they see is pictures, they dont bother to analyse. But yes ur wasting ur time u dont bother either.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

The manga doesn't need to confirm how madara escaped because we know he escaped and fooled hashirama till this day, who still hasn't got a clue and still thinks he killed him [

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Both won and lost.

Hashirama won the fight and inflicted deep hounds to madara
Madara escaped and got what he came for.

It was neither a complete win or loss for either. The both got something out of it

Lmao it would appear he has also picked something with you

Hmm, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, you may be right.

Lul, try racism.

(I mispell "L.O.L" because I ****ing hate the blue emoticon)

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Let me recap. Some clash with ninja tools>kurama>dragon>TBB>living soul>Susanoo>explosion>sword slashes>hashi runs>TBB+Gates>Budda After small chit chat>BADOOM>kurama Captured. Fine 30 min at best (being generous since most of it instant moves). So either FU or show some decency
Hashirama cells are essentially MS counter part via body, u can control bijus with it.


Actually the opposite. Hashirama fans got excited, all they see is pictures, they dont bother to analyse. But yes ur wasting ur time u dont bother either.

I honestly have no clue as to what you just said, and I'm being 100% serious. Show me a scan of Madara WITHOUT Kurama in that fight, just one (excluding their last clash, that's when it ended). Madara obviously had Kurama for the whole fight... all you did was predict the whole fight, when we've been shown nothing. I'm very impatient and am trying my best not to just flip out here.

Edit: By nothing, I clearly mean not the entire fight.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I honestly have no clue as to what you just said, and I'm being 100% serious. Show me a scan of Madara WITHOUT Kurama in that fight, just one (excluding their last clash, that's when it ended). Madara obviously had Kurama for the whole fight... all you did was predict the whole fight, when we've been shown nothing. I'm very impatient and am trying my best not to just flip out here.
Edit: By nothing, I clearly mean not the entire fight.

Dont u freaking realize that all of abilities that were used since madara summoned kurama only took seconds to perform?
How much do u think it lasted? Half a day? For all i know u cant prove time duration with pics here. Fail on ur part.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

We should get an explanation as to how madara escaped such an experienced fighter who still has no idea.

Same these new emoticons i have already complained. They are fugly. The blue's look like smurfs.

As for that guy, what can i say.
It seems he has rubbed some people the wrong way already within the few months he joined.
Things should get interesting though

I hope so, we should anyways.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Dont u freaking realize that all of abilities that were used since madara summoned kurama only took seconds to perform?
How much do u think it lasted? Half a day? For all i know u cant prove time duration with pics here. Fail on ur part.

Oh my lord! It's a ****ing manga, meaning, THEY'RE ****ING PICTURES. If Kishi was to illustrate the whole damn fight, he'd be writing about 50-100 pages a week, which is ludicrous. I don't know if you hadn't noticed, but it's hard to make something seem so long when it's just a drawing. You, my friend, are an idiot. Why do you think the anime studio's add their own shit every time? Because if they went by the manga, every episode would be about 1 minute or less, can't you understand this?

Mate, are you 11?