[Theory] Itachis Tsukiyomi is effective on Jinchuurikis

[Rohan]

I agree completely, Tsukuyomi is the most overpowered MS technique ever.

 

[RikudouMadara]

yes its effective on jins. naruto knew that himself. he knew it would be over if him or bee got caught in itachis tsukuyomi

This is correct. ^_^

 

[Behemoth55]

Bijju are not outside of jinchuriki. They are inside of Jin. same time situation for both jin and bijju
So I think it won't work

No, Tsukuyomi would work like any other Genjutsu. You should read chapter 549 again. Gyūki coudn't even realise Itachis "weakest" Inton-Jutsu, Genjutsu: Sharingan so fast. Bee got suckered for one time by Genjutsu: Sharingan. Afterwards, Itachi had warned him to not look into his eyes and Gyūki used Genjutsu: Kai to free Bee.
However, Tsukuyomi is in this case really dangerous, because one second in the real world conforms one year in Tsukuyomis illusion.

Yes, Tsukuyomi is effective. We should also consider that there is no guarantor that Genjutsu: Kai works against all Genjutsu. The success is depending on the niveau of the Genjutsu and on the individual ability of the "helper".

My two cents.

 

[SSS12]

I thought this was obvious. Only Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
I wonder what will happen when someone casts Shisui's Genjutsu Will the Bijuu realise what's happening? But will it be able to reverse it? Something to think about.

 

[AzR]

still not convince... yes,a normal person can even die when get hit by a tsukuyomi.. but a jin's mind inner workings is still not yet understandable.. some other times they can talk minutes in their mind, but only seconds on the outside...

 

[Mr Hiru]

The Tsukiyomi Realm:

Back in part 1, in the kakashi-vs-itachi-fight, we got the information that itachi can use time-manupuliation within the tsukiyomi realm. it was stated that 1 second in the real world equals 72 hours in tsukiyomi. Kakashi became a victim of this.

Jinchuurikis can fall for genjutsu:

in the fight against killer bee, sasuke tried to put him into a genjutsu, which seemed to work. however, gyuuki undid the genjutsu on bee a few moments later and made wake him up. Still, this implies that jinchuurikis can fall for genjutsu, but they always have someone to wake them up.

Furthermore Edo Itachi tried to use mere sharingan-genjutsu on bee (itachi met him for the first time, so we can assume that he didnt know, that bee was a jin). again, bee fell for it and was free'ed by gyuuki.

putting 2 and 2 together:

as i mentioned before, bee wasnt free'ed from the genjutsu immidiately. there was a small time gap between him falling for the genjutsu and getting free'ed from it.
so imagine if itachi uses tsukiyomi on a jinchuuriki, it would take the bijuu like half a second (or w.e.) to free its host from the genjutsu. but nevertheless, the half of a second would still make up 36hours of tsukiyomi, which is still a torture for the victim.

You sir have a hard logic in there, and I applaud you.

But there is a "but". Genjutsu is the ability to manipulate the target's senses, provoking illusory effects. Through illusions are just illusions, "pain" is not something that really exists, it is something felt directly by the brains, so this is the reason of why Itachi's Tsukiyomi could be used for torturing the target.

Thing is... chakra is needed for this purpose. If the target uses yin chakra to block the Tsukiyomi, it can be nullified, and the proof is that Kakashi survived Itachi's Tsukiyomi (he shouted to his group to not see into Itachi's eyes, because he knew that they didn't have a sharingan to counter the power of Itachi's chakra).

I dare Itachi using Tsukiyomi in someone who have a strong chakra... and I assure you, it wouldn't be as effective as using it against a fodder.

 

[Yahcob13]

Of course it is.

 

[Behemoth55]

Thing is... chakra is needed for this purpose. If the target uses yin chakra to block the Tsukiyomi, it can be nullified, and the proof is that Kakashi survived Itachi's Tsukiyomi

No, Inton can't be used to counter Genjutsu. Actually Inton=Genjutsu; Tsukuyomi=Inton. Great control of chakra can break Genjutsu-like Sakura had done it during the invasion of Konoha(Part 1)- or Genjutsu: Kai. But Genjutsu: Kai doesn't work in Tsukuyomis case. According to the databook, only the true masters of the Sharingan-the Uchiha- are able to break Tsukuyomi. That doesn't have to do with any special Inton-chakra, but with the main-ability of the Sharingan.

Your proof isn't also legitimate. Kakashi survived Tsukuyomi, because of his own "mental strength", but on the other hand Tsukuyomi doesn't kill anyway. The databook says, the target of Tsukuyomi sustains a mental breakdown. And Kakashi had a serious mental breakdown, right? Even with his Sharingan, Kakashi simply lost to Tsukuyomi.
No reason to put a gloss on it.

 

[Sasuke]

Bijju and jin's mind are connected. They are not Outside entity of Jin.
If you remember Sakura and chiyo free naruto from Itachi's genjutsu. SO if it took several seconds to free naruto.

Tsuyukomi would have done the job.That's bcoz Sakura and chiyo are totally outside of Naruto's mind I mean they are in real world with actual real time. I hope you get what am i saying
While In the case of Bijju probably Bijju's and jin have same time dimensions . Like if some one's cought in genjutsu its not going to differ for other.

No that's not true. Because the way to break genjutsu is to get chakra from an OUTER source. So if both of them are in the genjutsu like you said they would be then there is no outer source to break it anyways.. they'll both just get tortured and besides Itachi's genjutsu isnt like anyone elses where you can even break it. You have to have Uchiha blood to break tsukyomi anyways whether the bijuu gets caught or not it can't do a thing to help. If it's caught then I would have to assume it also gets tortured though. Even if bijuu were an outer source that can break tsukyomi (which they cant) it would be too late because that 1 second would be 72 hours of fun for the jin and would already be gg because Itachi can manipulate time so OP is correct.

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Chiyyo breaks down how to break genjutsu and then kakashi cuts her off stating it wont work that way on Itachi, once caught there is NO escape.

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[lion fang master]

The Tsukiyomi Realm:

Back in part 1, in the kakashi-vs-itachi-fight, we got the information that itachi can use time-manupuliation within the tsukiyomi realm. it was stated that 1 second in the real world equals 72 hours in tsukiyomi. Kakashi became a victim of this.

Jinchuurikis can fall for genjutsu:

in the fight against killer bee, sasuke tried to put him into a genjutsu, which seemed to work. however, gyuuki undid the genjutsu on bee a few moments later and made wake him up. Still, this implies that jinchuurikis can fall for genjutsu, but they always have someone to wake them up.

Furthermore Edo Itachi tried to use mere sharingan-genjutsu on bee (itachi met him for the first time, so we can assume that he didnt know, that bee was a jin). again, bee fell for it and was free'ed by gyuuki.

putting 2 and 2 together:

as i mentioned before, bee wasnt free'ed from the genjutsu immidiately. there was a small time gap between him falling for the genjutsu and getting free'ed from it.
so imagine if itachi uses tsukiyomi on a jinchuuriki, it would take the bijuu like half a second (or w.e.) to free its host from the genjutsu. but nevertheless, the half of a second would still make up 36hours of tsukiyomi, which is still a torture for the victim.

Wrong tsukiyomi is a super genjutsu that traps someone in an endless dream world plus changes the time steam of reality. As for jinchuurikis u only needs a sharingan it all depends on the person, sasuke was able to penetrate naruto's mind and suppress kurama but to control the beast inside u only need the mangekyou sharingan.

 

[adeshina365]

This much has been obvious for a while now.

No one in this manga is immune to genjutsu.