Itachi's Tskuyomi vs. Obito's Kamui

[Sazzi]

MS > 3T & Curse mark. Yes, Itachi let him win, but he never exactly put no effort into the fight. He was pushing Sasuke to his fullest, and if Sasuke's not even able to get passed Tsukuyomi, what's the point of fighting him? Itachi never wanted Sasuke to find out, Sasuke very well broke it with his 3T, it was still a Tsukuyomi at the end of the day. Obito is an MS master, and an Uchiha, I'm certain he could brake it.


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Thanks for providing the scan.



See my earlier post.

if he put sasuke in a real tsukyomi, sasuke would of lost right then and there, so he eased up on him, made the illusion not all that painful, this gave sasuke the ability to concentrate on breaking it... if it was more severe, there would be too much pain to concentrate on breaking it... wat earlier post had to do with this..

 

[Prince Charles]

@SasoriOFTheRedSAND

I don't believe sasuke broke it with a his 3T alone, your forgetting he had orochimaru residing within him at the time which could had helped him brake out of it, you could say orochimaru was sort of liked a tailed beasts to sasuke in regards to braking the host out of a genjutsu.

 

[Sazzi]

last ten cents about this... itachi was known for "if you look into his eyes your done for" (tsukyomi)... obito is known for "you got to time counter attacks to avoid getting caught in his jutsu" (kamui)... it is a physical attack vs a ranged attack... both are formidable... both are game enders... but i will take the attack that doesnt rely on physical interaction over the one that does any day of the week...

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

@SasoriOFTheRedSAND

I don't believe sasuke broke it with a his 3T alone, your forgetting he had orochimaru residing within him at the time which could had helped him brake out of it, you could say orochimaru was sort of liked a tailed beasts to sasuke in regards to braking the host out of a genjutsu.

I highly doubt that. Tsukuyomi is way too fast to get broken by a being residing in him. Also, we've seen Sasuke* have no contacts whatsoever with Orochimaru, wasn't he stuck in a Genjutsu anyway? I forgot.

if he put sasuke in a real tsukyomi, sasuke would of lost right then and there, so he eased up on him, made the illusion not all that painful, this gave sasuke the ability to concentrate on breaking it... if it was more severe, there would be too much pain to concentrate on breaking it... wat earlier post had to do with this..

If he was going all that easy on him, I don't think he would of attempted Amaterasu in the first place. Itachi was bringing the best out of Sasuke, to get rid of Orochimaru.

 

[Recable]

MS > 3T & Curse mark. Yes, Itachi let him win, but he never exactly put no effort into the fight. He was pushing Sasuke to his fullest, and if Sasuke's not even able to get passed Tsukuyomi, what's the point of fighting him? Itachi never wanted Sasuke to find out, Sasuke very well broke it with his 3T, it was still a Tsukuyomi at the end of the day. Obito is an MS master, and an Uchiha, I'm certain he could brake it.



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Thanks for providing the scan.



See my earlier post.

Well yes, 3t + CM < MS, also as Itachi clearly didn't use a full powered Tsukuyomi as he doesn't want to kill Sasuke which if he did use then Sasuke would have died there and then. Now that means Sasuke broke out of a weakened Tsukuyomi and Itachi said the same blood as him which I think he meant only Sasuke as they're brothers. Now I don't think Obito would break out of a full powered Tsukuyomi.

Also saying that "it don't matter if Itachi weakened the Tsukuyomi, Sasuke still broke out of it and it still is a Tsukuyomi" is terrible way to think about it. Just because he broke out of a weakened version it don't mean he can break out of a full powered one.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Is tobi related to itachi??? No than he can't break out of Tskuyomi

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Well yes, 3t + CM < MS, also as Itachi clearly didn't use a full powered Tsukuyomi as he doesn't want to kill Sasuke which if he did use then Sasuke would have died there and then. Now that means Sasuke broke out of a weakened Tsukuyomi and Itachi said the same blood as him which I think he meant only Sasuke as they're brothers. Now I don't think Obito would break out of a full powered Tsukuyomi.

Also saying that "it don't matter if Itachi weakened the Tsukuyomi, Sasuke still broke out of it and it still is a Tsukuyomi" is terrible way to think about it. Just because he broke out of a weakened version it don't mean he can break out of a full powered one.

Although I disagree, lets say this for arguments sake. If a 3T Sasuke is able to break a weakened Tsukuyomi, you really think an MS Sasuke can't break a full powered one? They have the same eyes after all.

 

[PredictionGuru]

kamui of course

Is tobi related to itachi??? No than he can't break out of Tskuyomi

lol what that doesn't make any actual sense

 

[Strict]

Is tobi related to itachi??? No than he can't break out of Tskuyomi

All clansmen are related.

 

[Strawberry]

They usefull in their own ways kamui has more versatility so kamui

 

[PredictionGuru]

They usefull in their own ways kamui has more versatility so kamui

yeah sounds about right

 

[Recable]

Although I disagree, lets say this for arguments sake. If a 3T Sasuke is able to break a weakened Tsukuyomi, you really think an MS Sasuke can't break a full powered one? They have the same eyes after all.

No 3T + Curse Mark broke out of a weakened Tsukuyomi which was only used to show Sasuke the fake past of Madara and Izuna then make him scared of losing his eyes as seen. This means MS Sasuke wouldn't break out of a full powered Tsukuyomi. The reason is that, the curse mark boosted Sasuke's power (even his Sharingan) and that's the only reason he managed to break free.

kamui of course



lol what that doesn't make any actual sense

Actually it does, Itachi has already stated only someone with the same blood and a Sharingan can break free from Tsukuyomi.

Edit: By blood I'm pretty sure he only meant his parents/siblings so that means only his Dad and brother Sasuke can.

 

[Itachi Edo]

Remembers Itachi scaring the living hell out of Obito in Road to the Ninja and remembers Kishimoto was involved in the story... Pretty sure Itachi's deductional skills would give him the edge, but stamina might be a problem dealing with Kamui.

 

[PredictionGuru]

oh ye uchiha all have same blood, dem incestuous bastards, ya' know

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

No 3T + Curse Mark broke out of a weakened Tsukuyomi which was only used to show Sasuke the fake past of Madara and Izuna then make him scared of losing his eyes as seen. This means MS Sasuke wouldn't break out of a full powered Tsukuyomi. The reason is that, the curse mark boosted Sasuke's power (even his Sharingan) and that's the only reason he managed to break free.



Actually it does, Itachi has already stated only someone with the same blood and a Sharingan can break free from Tsukuyomi.

Edit: By blood I'm pretty sure he only meant his parents/siblings so that means only his Dad and brother Sasuke can.

Now you're being silly. Itachi declared only an Uchiha with the same eyes could, and you're disagreeing with him? Itachi told Kakashi who's able to beat him, and I'm pretty sure Obito, a CLANSMEN (said by Itachi), a SHARINGAN WIELDER, LET ALONE MS (said by Itachi) and a man possessing Senju DNA could break it.

Sasuke can break it, lmao, you're being ridiculous. You admitted yourself, MS > 3T and cursemark and now you're saying he couldn't break out of a full powered one? Lmao, ridiculous. Was Itachi's Amaterasu "not full powered" as well? He was testing Sasuke, and pushing him to his maximum. He wanted to test his strength. It was more than letting him win, it was about making him strong.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Kamui obviously...

yagura was under madaras control not obito

 

[Sensational]

yagura was under madaras control not obito

No he wasn't Madara was dead at the time

 

[Sensational]

yagura was under madaras control not obito

No he wasn't Madara was dead at the time

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Totally different jutsus, different categorys, impossible to compare

Yes, but which one would YOU personally like to have in your arsenal as a ninja?

me id rather have tsukiyomi because it can be used in a variety of different ways..(interrogation,torture,battle, non lethal finishing tech. etc...) my main reason is because most genjutsu users in the narutoverse cant even compare to itachis genjutsu...imagine if you had that prowess in the battlefield..you can end a battle in seconds or worse..make your opponent fight his own allies

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

No he wasn't Madara was dead at the time

It was know as the bloody mist during the well well before obito fall from grace bloody mist is and was yagura era