Itachi's Tskuyomi vs. Obito's Kamui

[Itachi The Solo King]

itachi also said that jiraiya was stronger than him.....he was a double agent that said things to benefit konoha and keep his identity

show me now!!!!!!!

 

[Jako98146]

Kamui
Tsukyomi's good, but kamui can make obito almost unhittable for 5 minutes

 

[Sazzi]

Kamui....Itachi's genjutsu was never shown able to kill anyone

and also as a side note, Obito's genjutsu was shown to kill someone(Konan) and control a perfect jinchuriki(Yagura)

kamui didnt kill Konan, he stabed her after using izunagi to escape her infinite explosion attack... and it is the normal sharingan that can control ppl using a genjutsu, including tailed beasts, summoned ninja animals, etc... and it was reanimation that controled the former tailed beasts...

 

[Prince Charles]

ill bet on tysukuyomi.

 

[Sazzi]

Kamui
Tsukyomi's good, but kamui can make obito almost unhittable for 5 minutes

its a double edged sword as he cannot attack while intangible... tsukyomi hits the person a second later they are down and out, for u to deliver the finishing blow (yes sasuke broke it, and that is about it)...

 

[UchihaKira]

Kamui is much more versatile than Tsukiyomi but if youre saying one vs the other I think Id go with tsukiyomi.

 

[Smd]

Kamui is better, overall. Besides, Tsukuyomi wouldn't work on Obito during a fight.

proof ?

 

[Sazzi]

Kamui is better, for tsukiyomi to work you just dont have to make eye contact which is easy enough

easy enough... so to avoid eye contact ur gona take ur eyes off ur opponent and that is easy enough... guy cant do it effectively and he is the only person who has even tried to train to fight that way... not to mention itachi has other ways of tricking u into to looking...

 

[Recable]

Kamui....Itachi's genjutsu was never shown able to kill anyone

and also as a side note, Obito's genjutsu was shown to kill someone(Konan) and control a perfect jinchuriki(Yagura)

No Obito's didn't and Tsukuyomi can easily kill as said by Kakashi and we all know Itachi didn't want to kill anyone he has used it on so far...

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

proof ?

Itachi, when fighting Kakashi, claimed only an Uchiha with the same blood could break Tsukuyomi, and Obito is just that. Combine this statement with common sense, and how Sasuke broke it with 3T. If Sasuke can break it with 3T, Obito with a matured MS can surely do so...

 

[Recable]

Kamui is better, overall. Besides, Tsukuyomi wouldn't work on Obito during a fight.

I like them both the same but Obito can be hit with Tsukuyomi. Obito may go Intangible but if he makes eye contact then he makes eye contact either way.

 

[Sazzi]

Kamui is better, overall. Besides, Tsukuyomi wouldn't work on Obito during a fight.

obito is impervious to physical attacks while shifting parts of his body... as long as he has eye contact, tsukyomi will hit him as it is not a physical attack ( and it has been stated again and again how it is physical attacks that dont work, other than him telling kakashi that it kamui wont work on him but that is because for one kamui is a physical attack, and its obito's eyes so he knows how to use it better)...

 

[Recable]

Itachi, when fighting Kakashi, claimed only an Uchiha with the same blood could break Tsukuyomi, and Obito is just that. Combine this statement with common sense, and how Sasuke broke it with 3T. If Sasuke can break it with 3T, Obito with a matured MS can surely do so...

To be honest, Itachi wasn't going full out with his Tsukuyomi as we all know he wanted Sasuke to kill him also how come Sasuke didn't break out in till he used the curse mark which improves all of his abilities by quite a bit? I think Sasuke could have broke free around this time period or more but not back then (without curse mark anyway).

 

[Lightbringer]

kamui didnt kill Konan, he stabed her after using izunagi to escape her infinite explosion attack... and it is the normal sharingan that can control ppl using a genjutsu, including tailed beasts, summoned ninja animals, etc... and it was reanimation that controled the former tailed beasts...

I never said Kamui killed konan

Obito put her in a genjutsu and stated that it would kill her

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[Strict]

Kakashi fell in coma for weeks after Itachi "merely" stabbed him for 72 hours. In Tsukuyomi there is however no limit of pain Itachi can cause to his victims. He can tear them up, smash their body and let them burn for 3 days while they will have to endure it by full awareness. The mind is the humans weakest point and it has a limit, too. To much of mental stress will also kill you. That's too much damage left to your brain.

 

[Lightbringer]

show me now!!!!!!!

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[Sazzi]

in a tsukyomi with malicous intent ur in too much pain to be concentrating on trying to break the jutsu...

 

[Sensational]

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[moyo]

sasuke was able to break out of Tskuyomi

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

To be honest, Itachi wasn't going full out with his Tsukuyomi as we all know he wanted Sasuke to kill him also how come Sasuke didn't break out in till he used the curse mark which improves all of his abilities by quite a bit? I think Sasuke could have broke free around this time period or more but not back then (without curse mark anyway).

MS > 3T & Curse mark. Yes, Itachi let him win, but he never exactly put no effort into the fight. He was pushing Sasuke to his fullest, and if Sasuke's not even able to get passed Tsukuyomi, what's the point of fighting him? Itachi never wanted Sasuke to find out, Sasuke very well broke it with his 3T, it was still a Tsukuyomi at the end of the day. Obito is an MS master, and an Uchiha, I'm certain he could brake it.

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obito is impervious to physical attacks while shifting parts of his body... as long as he has eye contact, tsukyomi will hit him as it is not a physical attack ( and it has been stated again and again how it is physical attacks that dont work, other than him telling kakashi that it kamui wont work on him but that is because for one kamui is a physical attack, and its obito's eyes so he knows how to use it better)...

See my earlier post.