Itachi's True role in the Uchiha Massacare.....???

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For a long time, I truly thought that Uchiha Itachi had massacred his clan, however the more I look into it, and the further we’ve gotten into the story, I’m starting to have my doubts about Itachi’s true roll in the massacre.

We’ve never truly received many details revolving around the massacre, and we never do see Itachi actually killing anyone. He only made Sasuke relive witnessing his parents’ death. But we never see bloodshed on Itachi’s part. The only thing we are ever shown is that he was with his parents in the room that they were killed in. If you go back and look at any chapter with flashbacks of the massacre, not once do we see any bloodshed on Itachi’s part, only the aftermath. And I really believe that Kishi did this for a reason. I think he made it this way because I believe that Itachi may have never killed his clan. Now that I think about it, I’ve never seen Itachi actually kill anyone outside of his clan either. And if Itachi did in fact have a part in it, I do not think that he did so alone.

Recent chapters have also led to my belief in this theory, such as chapter 549, 576 and the most recent chapter 580.

Chapter 549:
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Naruto, Killer Bee, Nagato and Itachi have met up and have begun battle, albeit unwillingly. Now, Naruto tries to ask Itachi if what Madara/Tobi said was true, but Itachi simply said, “That’s enough Naruto.” He neither confirms nor denies it, which seems a bit strange. However he then goes on to say that Naruto should never tell of what happened because he wants the Uchiha clan to maintain it’s honor…which only truly confirms that the Uchiha clan was most likely planning a coup d’état on Konoha. It does not confirm, however, Itachi’s role in the massacre.

Chapter 576:
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Sasuke and Itachi are reunited at last, and Sasuke quickly begins to follow his older brother. Sasuke demands answers from Itachi, yet Itachi tells him that he has more important things to worry about. Sasuke tells Itachi that he now knows everything about him. Itachi then says to Sasuke, ” I already told this to you when we fought, people live their lives bound by their own convictions. If you are not able to think that way, or if you don’t know if your reality is an illusion or not, then the truth about me in reality is…” Before Itachi can say anything more, Sasuke interrupts him and states that he is not living an illusion any longer. Itachi almost said something truthful about himself, yet once again it was kept from us. I do not believe this is mere coincidence on Kishi’s part. Itachi obviously has something hidden deep within, what it is, I’m not entirely certain, but I can speculate that his role in the massacre is definitely not as I once thought it was.

Chapter 580: In the most recent chapter of the magna, Kabuto says that Itachi is a complete liar, and that he has lied his entire life. Which only furthers my suspicion of Itachi’s role in the massacre. We know that Itachi sort of lied before, and we definitely know that his role in everything was not what Sasuke assumed/believed. Itachi has been wary regarding the subject for the entire magna. Sasuke wants to talk to him, and keeps asking Itachi for answers, yet Itachi has kept avoiding that conversation with his younger brother. I think that he honestly wants to wait for the right moment. Itachi has kept everyone in the dark, but I think we will soon know why he is a “complete liar.” I am almost certain that Kabuto knows what Tobi told Sasuke about Itachi, and Itachi’s true intentions, which is why I think Itachi has lied about something else as well. We already know what Tobi told us, so it would not make sense for Kishimoto to have Kabuto bring up the same issue.

And we cannot forget what Itachi said to Sasuke during their battle, which is similar to the quote from 576.

“People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That’s how they define “reality”. But what does it mean to be “correct” or “true”? Merely vague concepts… their “reality” may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?”

I know many feel that this quote led to Tobi’s revealing of Itachi’s true intensions on that fateful night, however I feel as though it also applies to much more. Tobi’s lied about so many things, who’s to say that he wasn’t being completely honest with Sasuke then? Aside from that, Itachi then says it again, as previously shown above.

I think a majority of what we still believe to be true about Itachi is a mirage; an illusion. He’s still quite the mysterious figure. Even though we know some things, we do not really know much. Many things regarding him are still kept from us. And we’ve never heard him say anything about that night. He’s never given details or made any true confirmations. The quote above proves that he has lacked bringing conformation forth. But then again, maybe I’m incorrect in my evaluation.

However, I just do not believe that Kishi’s vagueness on the subject is coincidental, especially when regarding Itachi’s role in everything. I think things are not what they seem, once again.

I think we only have a few real truths, one, that Itachi loves his younger brother, two, Itachi loves Konoha, and three, Itachi is a true shinobi. Otherwise, I think that we have a lot more to learn about the night of the massacre and the Uchiha clan itself.

Correct me if I’m wrong with any of my support, because I appreciate different opinions as well. I’m not ruling out the possibility that Itachi did in fact kill his clan, because it could very well be true, but at this moment I have a hard time believing that a kind hearted pacifist killed his entire clan.
 
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I think he actually killed his clan, but with Tobi's help. It would explain why Tobi has a kind of "Sharingan lab"-If he absorbed the corpses it would make sense-. It just seems like the perfect source.
 

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i never thought of that but good golly, i think your on to something mate. haha but really, i liked it and think that you are right. :) nice +REP
 

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nice +rep , your right i dont see how itachi could kill everyone in his family mum and dad but leave sasuke alive even if he was favoured , ithink tobi has a bigger role to play in it then he makes out coz tobis a bigger liar then itachi lol
 

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Your right and I agree. +Reps It was Tobi and/or Madara who massacre the whole Uchiha Clan. Sasuke also consider the possibility that Itachi had help because killing off the Uchiha Police Force was impossible, however, Itachi pulled it off. Itachi also later stated, if not mistaken, that he had help. He could be lying just to push Sasuke to finding out the truth. It points to Tobi and/or Madara, as their hands was in these and their intentions, however is unknown.

I see it these way: Itachi was going to warn the Uchiha Clan, but it was to late. Itachi had no choose, but to run. The members of the council, and along with Danzou and Third Hokage know of the incident in full detail. They had to put the blame on Itachi or it would cause an up-rise or raise suspicion from the other clans and/or villages. Then it was later revealed, at the Hokage summit, Danzou knew Tobi (at the time using alias Madara) was leading Akatsuki in it shadows.
 

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I agree. This has been on my mind for awhile now. I just can't believe that he killed off his own clansmen. He doesn't like the kind of person that could do such a thing.
 

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it may be true that Itachi haven’t killed his clan. I can also support this idea by assuming that Danzo or his root members could have eliminated the entire clan and Itachi arriving after to make Sasuke believe he has done so. As we know Danzo did not show any appreciation for the Uchiha clan, moreover he wanted power. It is proven later on during the fight between Sasuke and Danzo when he was hokage. Danzo showed the sharingans of the uchiha members assassinated-which means that he ordered the assassination of the entire clan to use Izanagi effectively. Also it is strange that Danzo possess an eye of Shisui Uchiha. By the way you mentioned that Itachi hasn’t killed anyone, but it was stated that he killed Shisui Uchiha( his best friend) in order to activate mangekyou sharingan. Otherwise I don’t see how he can awaken the mangekyou power. Thus Itachi also possess an eye of Shisui-he MAY have teamed with Danzo.
That’s a bit of reading, my points can be true or not, its only assumptions! You can comment any of your arguments/opinions.
 

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no he killed them. probably 90% of them at least.
otherwise his whole entire motivation post massacre makes no sense at all. why would he feel guilty if he didnt kill them? why did tobi say he killed them if he didnt kill them? why would itachi show himself killing them to sasuke in tsukiyomi to torture him and to make him want to kill him?
itachi said he wanted to die by sasukes hand as it would be the uchihas way of judging him for his crimes. but if he didnt kill them then whats his crime? torturing a 7 year old? while heinous, its not something you'd do everything and anything to make sure your brother is filled with enough hate to destroy you for your crimes.

but Itachi simply said, “That’s enough Naruto.”
he probably doesnt want to hear anymore about his life since it was one mistake after another

which only truly confirms that the Uchiha clan was most likely planning a coup d’état on Konoha
in itachis opinion. the whole thing was probably danzos bid to get his hands on their eyes and power so he can control kyubi.

Itachi almost said something truthful about himself, yet once again it was kept from us
he probably has one more mind rape/brainwash/brutla torture plan planned for sasuke or others. after all hes what he always does

Itachi loves his younger brother, two, Itachi loves Konoha,
doesnt mean he loves them in a way that is for their greater good. if itachi had done nothing that night but kill everyone and leave, sauske would be a good guy right now

but at this moment I have a hard time believing that a kind hearted pacifist killed his entire clan.
maybe because he isnt? even if you ignore the killing of his whole family, heres a list of all the things hes also done
1. threatened danzo with high treason if he hurts sasuke. danzo ignores this threat and tries to kill him anyway which means itachi never made good on the threat since he died soon after. but danzo didnt know that
2. savagely and brutally tortured a child twice, by forcing him to watch his family get slaughtered over and over.
3. lied to him and convinced him that the path to killing him involves hatred, power and murdering his friends. meaning even if itachi desires sauske to kill him, he will be ruining his life by forcing him down this path and at the time, itachi KNEW THIS. only after dying did he realise that was just a horrible thing to do.
4. joins akatsuki yet because he "wants to do everything alone" he proceeds to do nothing. NOTHING. he passes no intel about the organisation, never uses totsuka blade to pick them off one by one, never uses izanami on tobi (did he think it wouldnt work or somethin? it surely would work on crippled nagato). he even recruits new members and humiliates them via mindrape so they get even MORE crazy and unstable, in the case of oro and deidara
5. mindraped naruto and kakashi brutally for no reason. naruto even cried at the images itachi was sending him, and kakashi was put in a coma.
6. broke sasukes wrist and beat him half to death for seemingly no reason other than he likes it. if he wanted so badly to show sasuke wasnt up to scratch, he should have quickly beat him again in the uchiha cave, and then die alone to spare sasuke the pain of having to slay a family member. if itachi didnt know this pain, then that makes him all the more heinous for forcing sauske to murder him. since he doesnt know what it could do to sasuke's psyche to lose that revenge goal, to lose purpose. if tobi hadnt come along and given sasuke a reason to continue, i think sasuke may have killed himself.
7. murdered his brother, or at least tried to. sasuke was stated as having overdone it and was dying from exhaustion, had tobi not come along.
8. seems to be dependent on miracles happening so he can make up excuses to run away. if jiraiya had not come when he did, kisame would have lopped off narutos legs and captured him. if sasuke had not come when he did, there would have been a full scale battle between jiraiya and itachi.
9. ordered the executions of asuma kurenai and kakashi, to die at kisames hand. had gai not come when he did, they would all be dead. and subsequently so would team 7 (since kakashis kamui ended up saving them from deidara).
10. stabbed kakashi in the back despite sharingan being unabel to distinguish clones from the original more often than not.
11. did not know tsunade would come back to the village, meaning he wanted sasuke to stay in his coma. in the case of kakashi its especially brutal since itachi knows the mind cant take that much and fully intended on leaving him in a coma.
12. impeded team 7 and chiyos way for absolutely no reason. he has no cause to keep up the act anymore since hes gonna die soon anyway. and he knows they are on an important mission and that no other akatsukis watching (even if they are, he can just make up another excuse that they werent worthy of his time or something. pain cant kill him off just for that, just for the actions of a clone). the only reason i can think of for him doing this is he likes fighting.
13. tells pain that gai is very powerful and he shouldnt underestimate him. this causes pain to send their FOURTH STRONGEST MEMBER and a being who has unnatural chakra levels even for akatsuki standards to go kill every last one of team gai. itachi almost got them all killed because he couldnt keep his mouth shut. pain never needed to know itachi even knew gai. the only reason i can think of for itachi doing this is he wanted gai to die.
14. how did itachi know sasuke would leave to face him? itachis a missing nin himself and unless he actively tried to meet sasuke on one of his missions, itachi couldnt have wanted sasuke to both kill him and stay loyal to the village. sasukes chose the former as we know but itachi didnt really leave him many options. either sasuke stays in the village as an average jounin level shinobi, or he leaves and gains the MS and becomes a kage level "hero of the town" for taking itachi out. but that still leaves him as a traitor and we know in the shinobi world, once you leave your a danger to everyone. if a hyuga left, theyd be killed on sight as a traitor. but sasuke, the last uchiha, was even more valuable. if he tried to leave, itachi should have known theyd send jounins after him and then throw him in prison. the only reason they didnt in part 1 is because they were running on empty manpower as it was thanks to the devastation orochimaru caused in his invasion. so itachi either wants sasuke to be hunted like a dog for leaving, or to stay and remain MS-less. he claims to love his bro but basically forces him to kill him and become the criminal itachi was. all so he can get even more power which was likely to drive him mad (it did).
furthermore, itachi knows what danzo is capable of (ordering of the massacre) and still thinks sasukes gonna get scot free if he DOES return? even though with his death thered be nothing holding danzo back from ripping sasukes eyes out as he did to shisui? what did you think was really gonna happen?
15. he wants to brainwash and enslave sasuke into being loyal to konoha FOREVER. the village which destroyed their clan and made him suffer. sasuke very reasonably points out itachi has no reason to be so loyal to that village. its like he doesnt care how far konoha chooses to sink. and that is what makes him villainous. he also wants to control peoples lives and make them conform to how HE THINKS they should live. he left sasuke no choice in the matter. FFS this is like telling zabuza he has to be loyal to the mist village, even though they were the ones who made him kill his whole graduating class!
16. itachi gives no fuks and i mean NO FUKS about any village save his own. the koto order was protect konoha. not protect the mist. not protect the sand. not protect any innocent civilians who need help. just konoha and only konoha. how fukin selfish. he basically sells the mist out by saying "hey tobi. help me slaughter konoha citizens and you must promise not to kill the rest. but any other village? yeah they are fair game. do whatever you want to them. tyranny, genocide, mind control. its all good. i wont stop you". god this guy is evil.
17. and finally he basically tells sasuke "im done trying to manipulate you. even though im the only one you want to listen to and i owe you the truth, im just gonna lump everything on naruto". yeah because naruto surely wants to be shouldered with yet another burden. itachi is telling him to do EVERYTHING, even though he told him DONT do everything. "i will fight kabuto. you go fight the invincible immortal madara who wants to kill you badly. have fun with that. also in the process save my brother from darkness even though nothing youve said has worked thus far and hes still batshit crazy. basically in order to save him, your probably gonna kill him but for some reason im ok with that even though my brainwash plan was an abysmal fail and sasuke will also probably kill you if you dont have what it takes to kill him". in fact itachi quite clearly says he cant believe how strong narutos gotten while knowing sasuke would take his eyes. meaning he fully intended on having naruto fight EMS sasuke and die because he stood no chance.

He doesn't like the kind of person that could do such a thing.
*points to above* yes he is

They had to put the blame on Itachi or it would cause an up-rise or raise suspicion from the other clans and/or villages.
there was already an uprising. if stopping one causes another then maybe they should just surrender and let the first one succeed so thered be no bloodshed at all.
 

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it may be true that Itachi haven’t killed his clan. I can also support this idea by assuming that Danzo or his root members could have eliminated the entire clan and Itachi arriving after to make Sasuke believe he has done so. As we know Danzo did not show any appreciation for the Uchiha clan, moreover he wanted power. It is proven later on during the fight between Sasuke and Danzo when he was hokage. Danzo showed the sharingans of the uchiha members assassinated-which means that he ordered the assassination of the entire clan to use Izanagi effectively. Also it is strange that Danzo possess an eye of Shisui Uchiha. By the way you mentioned that Itachi hasn’t killed anyone, but it was stated that he killed Shisui Uchiha( his best friend) in order to activate mangekyou sharingan. Otherwise I don’t see how he can awaken the mangekyou power. Thus Itachi also possess an eye of Shisui-he MAY have teamed with Danzo.
That’s a bit of reading, my points can be true or not, its only assumptions! You can comment any of your arguments/opinions.
point of correction,...shisui gave one of his eyes to itachi for safe keeping!!!
 
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