No where in there are they referred to as spiritual or non-physical. Yata mirror is said to have no physical form which just means that while it's technically physical it's not bound to any shape, similar to any liquid (although it's obviously not a giant water shield lol).
That really didn't get your point across to me - keep in mind I'm not trying to be rude I just want to make it clear that these objects are present in the physical world and while they most likely instantly repair themselves or reform from broken pieces they are physical and can be damaged.
EDIT: Just examined the second post carefully to make sure I was right on this and it seems I am. It says they have no physical form, not that they are not physical. There is a huge distinction, this is like comparing water, which has no physical form and molds to its container, and a ghost - which is a spirit, whether or not they're real doesn't play a part in this argument though. It's absurd to say they have no physical presence.
Look in the second dictionary, you see "Spirit weapon" , weapons that have no phyiscal form.. . according to kishi there isn't any 70% spiritual, 30 % physical..
he said know physical form
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Both yata, and totsuka are spirit weapons, at the top you see " it has Spirit weapons in both hands.."
The thing here is you just don't know how spirit weapons work.. There are things kishi never explained... like how sasori could live with just a heart , n o brain , etc... how he could hear, all those things...
he never explained spirit weapons, but he clearly stated that they have 0 physical form, and have magical powers,
No where in there are they referred to as spiritual or non-physical. Yata mirror is said to have no physical form which just means that while it's technically physical it's not bound to any shape, similar to any liquid (although it's obviously not a giant water shield lol).
That really didn't get your point across to me - keep in mind I'm not trying to be rude I just want to make it clear that these objects are present in the physical world and while they most likely instantly repair themselves or reform from broken pieces they are physical and can be damaged.
EDIT: Just examined the second post carefully to make sure I was right on this and it seems I am. It says they have no physical form, not that they are not physical. There is a huge distinction, this is like comparing water, which has no physical form and molds to its container, and a ghost - which is a spirit, whether or not they're real doesn't play a part in this argument though. It's absurd to say they have no physical presence.
To be very, very clear -
If it had no physical presence, in other words it wasn't a physical object, it would have been stated as not being physical at all.
If it's described as having no physical form, it means that it simply has no true shape but changes under certain circumstances.
Look in the second dictionary, you see "Spirit weapon" , weapons that have no phyiscal form.. . according to kishi there isn't any 70% spiritual, 30 % physical..
he said know physical form
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Both yata, and totsuka are spirit weapons, at the top you see " it has Spirit weapons in both hands.."
The thing here is you just don't know how spirit weapons work.. There are things kishi never explained... like how sasori could live with just a heart , n o brain , etc... how he could hear, all those things...
he never explained spirit weapons, but he clearly stated that they have 0 physical form, and have magical powers,
Use your head, seriously, Kishi makes flaws all the time. There's a panel of pain with a Konoha head band on, the man's not perfect.
If they're not physical, they can't have physical impacts on the world, PERIOD. That's how physicality works, spiritual does whatever spiritual does, physical applies to physical realms. You can't block physical attacks with a spiritual weapon, that's like using a ghost as a shield against a gun - how well is that going to go?
The weapon is also definitely physical, it chopped the heads of physical beings clean off of their bodies AND has sealed two physical beings. The weapons are physical, you can argue destructability as much as you'd like but they're both physical items.
Assuming they were spirit items, how could Itachi even get them into susanoo? How can something physical find and let alone utilize a spiritual object?
It just doesn't make sense, Kishi isn't perfect, don't take that for granted.
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^ He should've at least cut it (Bottom right panel).
Honestly, Kishi is filled with plot holes, drawing issues, bad wording, and many other problems that make the manga confusing. Use your head while trying to fit Kishi's explanation in and you'll get the right answer. Kishi's not perfect, you have to figure out some of this stuff on your own. I'm officially done with this argument, we're just reposting the same info and getting no where so it's getting boring - give it some thought, you'll realize this is a bad mixture of bad wording and contradicting manga evidence (I consider the manga to be a better source than the data book as you see things in action).
Also make sure you have the right context, things are considered spiritual but are physical - idols, religious items, ayahuasca (really interesting stuff - look it up, not Naruto related but it's incredible) are all highly spiritual items but very physical in nature.
Odd, I was just hopping in bed because I spent like 2hrs on the base today and wanna get my work done tomorrow morning so I can do something else. Was fun but the argument got boring - was nice talking, though.
Both OP and Owarji have argued quite well but I should point out that we shouldnt take everything said in the manga or databook literally. Here's a few example:
The Sword of Kusanagi - This legendary sword was meant to pierce anything. Yet it couldnt even scratch the surface of 4 Tailed(I think) Naruto.
Amaterasu- It may be unextinguishable but its certainly not hot as the sun as past events has shown.
Totsuka Sword - If taken literally this sword should seal upon stabbing any other non-souled physical objects such as tree, rocks and so on.
Therefore it is important to keep in mind that they were given a little bit of exageration in order for us to have an idea of what it does or is.
Both OP and Owarji have argued quite well but I should point out that we shouldnt take everything said in the manga or databook literally. Here's a few example:
The Sword of Kusanagi - This legendary sword was meant to pierce anything. Yet it couldnt even scratch the surface of 4 Tailed(I think) Naruto.
Amaterasu- It may be unextinguishable but its certainly not hot as the sun as past events has shown.
Totsuka Sword - If taken literally this sword should seal upon stabbing any other non-souled physical objects such as tree, rocks and so on.
Therefore it is important to keep in mind that they were given a little bit of exageration in order for us to have an idea of what it does or is.
One argument I always see people use for Itachi's fights is simply, "He uses susanoo, blocks all jutsu with yata mirror and then sword of totsuka is a one hit KO." Personally I think this is blatant ignorance so I'm just going to make a thread breaking down Itachi's susanoo and showing its flaws, like he said, "All jutsu have a weakness." In this case there's four.
*Also, keep in mind I'm not saying his susanoo is bad or anything short of amazing - I'm just saying it's not invincible or a guaranteed win in a fight!*
Agreed. It's not as simple as some people think. However there are some major flaws in your argument. I'll only speak on what I consider mistakes. everything else I probably agree with or cannot disagree.
Weakness #1 - The Susanoo Itself.
We'll start with the susanoo itself - it's considered the ultimate defence yet lately we've been seeing it torn to shreds. It was invincible the first time it was used but that was thanks to the protection of the yata mirror which we'll get to (Edit: I should note that when I say susanoo itself and link you to OTHER people's susanoo being broken it's to show the technique in general can be broken, we didn't see enough of Itachi's susanoo for it to get broken and still haven't but it's obviously not uncommon for susanoo to get slapped around a bit).
So here's susanoo getting simply broken, there are more examples (quite a few more actually) but I think these will get the point across:
Raikage punching through it:
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Tsunade devastating it with a kick:
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Raikage b***h slapping Sasuke through an amaterasu doused susanoo:
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The mizukage, Mei, melting susanoo:
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Tsunade broke it with taijutsu, Mei with ninjutsu, raikage with his special nintaijutsu. While these are not full powered susanoo which may not be possible to break, or at least with such ease, here's another huge physical weakness of susanoo:
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That giant hole in the bottom is a huge problem. A large number of jutsu such as most water style, lava style, earth style, special jutsu like Jiraiya's flame oil he used against pain can easily slip under susanoo either killing or heavily injuring the user. While it's possible to dodge, a large enough jutsu could cause the user of susanoo many problems.
On top of this the user can be ripped out of their susanoo into an oncoming attack as is the main point of this picture, Gaara yanked out Madara and threw him in front of a rasenshuriken but it's very possible even Naruto could remove someone from susanoo via chakra arms in KM. There are more than likely many other methods to abuse this flaw.
In terms of practical description. Susano'o is indeed invincible. Not impenetrable but invincible as relative term. It's simply a spiritual form given substance by the users life-force (physical energy) to make a full chakra construct. So no matter what damage one does, as long as the user has the energy it will rapidly regenerate it's form regardless of the level of damage.
So overall this becomes quite practical given it's actual impressive durability. People have used some of their most powerful techniques to only cause superficial damage to complete or near complete Susano'o only to have it regenerate. That is practically invincible until someone that can fully penetrate it comes along.
Weakness #2 - Mangekyou Sharingan.
The only requirement for susanoo is the mangekyou sharingan which is in and of itself a giant flaw. Currently Itachi is the only ninja without EMS that's capable of susanoo (to our knowledge, at least) which is a huge flaw in his susanoo. Each time he uses it, possibly even each second that he's using it his eye sight worsens. While this is also caused by amaterasu and tsukuyomi I feel it's more applicable to his susanoo as from what we've seen it takes an equally large toll on eye sight if not more so due to its extended use.
While many would consider this a more minor flaw I feel it's extremely large as the susanoo will eventually destroy itself, while it seems edo-tensei makes Itachi immune to this effect assuming he was alive this flaw would be capable of fairly easily destroying his susanoo and himself.
This flaw is simply part of the MS package and there's no evidence at all to indicate that this would rob one of sight any faster than Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. Sasuke used Amaterasu for the first time against Killer B and already had his eyes blurry during his recovery. Overall, not a flaw that can be attributed to Susano'o on it's own.
Weakness #3 - The Yata Mirror.
While this mirror is a huge boon it's also a huge risk. It's not a true weakness but the point of this thread is to point out that his susanoo is not invincible so I'll treat its flaws as weaknesses for the sake of showing Itachi's susanoo is not perfect.
While the yata mirror has been demonstrated to block any elemental jutsu whatsoever (it totally blocked Kirin, an S-rank lightning jutsu) by using the opposite element this only applies to the five basic elemental releases - earth, water, fire, air, and lightning. When we take an advanced kekkei genkai like lava release the shield may only be able to stop one element or it the lava may be treated as one element and bypass the shield entirely.
What's more is when we get into a highly advanced bloodline technique like dust release. Not only is it made of multiple and sometimes opposing elements but it's designed to utterly disintegrate things - odds are the yata mirror wouldn't be able to prevent this jutsu and may be destroyed in the process.
The most major flaw is jutsu that don't use elements. TBB, rasengan, and highly powerful taijutsu are all methods that are more than likely capable of damaging or destroying Itachi's susanoo and don't have the weakness of an attached element to prevent the damage.
Another flaw, while less promoted, is the fact that it's only a shield. It applies to only certain parts of susanoo, namely the front, and leaves all other areas vulnerable.
The Yata Mirror is a mystical spiritual relic. It is already stated that it doesn't matter what it blocks it will oppose it. The nature of whatever it is blocking is irrelevant as it will simply oppose it and it's indicated that this goes beyond the five basic elements. Orwarij or whatever has already posted proof indicating this. Dust release is no different.
You've also indicated that the Yata Mirror could possibly be destroyed. This is not true. Yes, it's possible its chakra construct form can momentarily be damaged but since it is nothing but a spiritual template that needs physical energy in order to be tangible just like Susano'o it will reconstitute rapidly.
Yata Mirror has no trouble blocking non-elemental attacks whatsoever.
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Here it blocks Orochimaru's powerful giant snake form with no trouble. There's no reason to think it would have trouble with most non-elemental forms. Danzou's kunai broke on Susano'o, no normal taijutsu is getting past the Mirror which is supposedly even stronger in defense.
The only thing I see getting past it is as you mentioned, orientation and raw power. By orientation I mean attacks that can get around it or blindsides and of course overwhelming power regardless of its nature. Something like a bijuu dama.
Weakness #4 - The Sword of Totsuka.
Now we're at the part I've been dying to talk about. The legendary sword of totsuka, a weapon that merely has to slice you to seal you away into an eternity of drunken dreams. Thankfully though, it's not that cut and dry - as a matter of fact it's downright difficult to hit with and when Nagato got hit by the sword it was purely due to plot no jutsu which we'll get to shortly.
First off, the sword can't just cut you. You can't be slashed and sealed, the sword literally needs to impale you.
Here's the two reasons I feel you need to be impaled by totsuka to be sealed, this is the eight branches technique vs. susanoo - notice that susanoo cuts all of the heads off of the eight branches technique yet NONE of the snakes are sealed:
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Here is the first kill/sealing we saw by totsuka - Orochimaru's death. He was impaled but that's not what told me that an impalement was necessary, it was the manner of sealing:
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At first Oro was boasting about how susanoo's blade would do nothing against him yet it totally backfired, after the sword is in Oro for about five or ten seconds he suddenly fuses with the sword and is drawn into it and then finally put into the gourd. It seems totsuka's sealing isn't instant, the user must force the blade into a target and prevent them from escaping for a few seconds while the blade works its effect.
This is a huge flaw as it completely discredits the one-hit KO method of winning I see on so many Itachi vs. threads, it's hard to be in a position where you don't see the sword coming and harder to actually be totally impaled by it. Oro only died to carelessness.
Now here's Nagato's death, he is also impaled and there is a much longer waiting time for him to get sealed (which to me says that the more chakra is being absorbed the longer it takes to finish the seal as Nagato had more chakra than Oro).
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So, as you can see, Nagato was sealed by totsuka. This is completely plot no justu and I'm still irritated by Nagato's death in this manner which I'll talk about in a bonus section of the thread.
I don't think I need to post the panels but Itachi can clearly seal anyone the moment he has stabbed them. He clearly gave Nagato time and even Orochimaru got a small monologue from him. The rest I cannot say but that's the only point I wanted to get across.
Those are the only things I found to be flaws. There seems to be just a little bias tbh.
Agreed. It's not as simple as some people think. However there are some major flaws in your argument. I'll only speak on what I consider mistakes. everything else I probably agree with or cannot disagree.
In terms of practical description. Susano'o is indeed invincible. Not impenetrable but invincible as relative term. It's simply a spiritual form given substance by the users life-force (physical energy) to make a full chakra construct. So no matter what damage one does, as long as the user has the energy it will rapidly regenerate it's form regardless of the level of damage.
So overall this becomes quite practical given it's actual impressive durability. People have used some of their most powerful techniques to only cause superficial damage to complete or near complete Susano'o only to have it regenerate. That is practically invincible until someone that can fully penetrate it comes along.
This flaw is simply part of the MS package and there's no evidence at all to indicate that this would rob one of sight any faster than Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. Sasuke used Amaterasu for the first time against Killer B and already had his eyes blurry during his recovery. Overall, not a flaw that can be attributed to Susano'o on it's own.
The Yata Mirror is a mystical spiritual relic. It is already stated that it doesn't matter what it blocks it will oppose it. The nature of whatever it is blocking is irrelevant as it will simply oppose it and it's indicated that this goes beyond the five basic elements. Orwarij or whatever has already posted proof indicating this. Dust release is no different.
You've also indicated that the Yata Mirror could possibly be destroyed. This is not true. Yes, it's possible its chakra construct form can momentarily be damaged but since it is nothing but a spiritual template that needs physical energy in order to be tangible just like Susano'o it will reconstitute rapidly.
Yata Mirror has no trouble blocking non-elemental attacks whatsoever.
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Here it blocks Orochimaru's powerful giant snake form with no trouble. There's no reason to think it would have trouble with most non-elemental forms. Danzou's kunai broke on Susano'o, no normal taijutsu is getting past the Mirror which is supposedly even stronger in defense.
The only thing I see getting past it is as you mentioned, orientation and raw power. By orientation I mean attacks that can get around it or blindsides and of course overwhelming power regardless of its nature. Something like a bijuu dama.
I don't think I need to post the panels but Itachi can clearly seal anyone the moment he has stabbed them. He clearly gave Nagato time and even Orochimaru got a small monologue from him. The rest I cannot say but that's the only point I wanted to get across.
Those are the only things I found to be flaws. There seems to be just a little bias tbh.
I agree with everything you said except the Raw power beating it like a TBB i think that Yato mirror can block that. And ik everyone feels like o no but narutos can match 5, yeah ok it did but i also see them being blocked by yato mirror im just saying its flaw is that it doesnt block the whole body and i mean it doesnt really need much more of a flaw until proven differently i say it can block it. And Also since im on the subject we know that the sheild only blocks from 1 angle, the front, but i wouldnt call that a major weakness sense the rest of the body is covered with full form susano'o which we havent seen destroyed yet its actually a really remarkable defense. Just because the full susano'o doesnt block as much as the yato mirror doesnt give a clear assumption of it being a easy spot to break down.
Overall Plus Rep to the person quoted but to the guy who made this forum stop splashing around your ignorance you sat here and made ALOT! of assumptions i mean alot. and the thing about the gaara grabbing madara's leg every susano;o user seen has a way to counter that it was just an unexpected move if you remember this page where madara's susano;o grew legs it wont get through that it was just because it was incomplete that gaara pulled that off.
all this naruto speculation..no one is ever correct about anything. naruto is straight plot no jutsu, every major fight has at least some...smh at the hate
I agree with everything you said except the Raw power beating it like a TBB i think that Yato mirror can block that. And ik everyone feels like o no but narutos can match 5, yeah ok it did but i also see them being blocked by yato mirror im just saying its flaw is that it doesnt block the whole body and i mean it doesnt really need much more of a flaw until proven differently i say it can block it. And Also since im on the subject we know that the sheild only blocks from 1 angle, the front, but i wouldnt call that a major weakness sense the rest of the body is covered with full form susano'o which we havent seen destroyed yet its actually a really remarkable defense. Just because the full susano'o doesnt block as much as the yato mirror doesnt give a clear assumption of it being a easy spot to break down.
Overall Plus Rep to the person quoted but to the guy who made this forum stop splashing around your ignorance you sat here and made ALOT! of assumptions i mean alot. and the thing about the gaara grabbing madara's leg every susano;o user seen has a way to counter that it was just an unexpected move if you remember this page where madara's susano;o grew legs it wont get through that it was just because it was incomplete that gaara pulled that off.
Of course there are some assumptions, Kishi doesn't explain every last thing down to the smallest details otherwise things like this would be pointless. Also, Sasuke and Itachi NEVER have shown a way to prevent themselves from being pulled out of Susanoo, whether or not Madara is totally immune is up to debate but you seriously can't use him as an example for ITACHI. This thread isn't about Madara, keep that in mind - you're either just being a fan boy or illogical if you think Itachi has a way to prevent himself from being taken out of susanoo.
Also refering to you talking about the mirror, it's said to block elemental jutsu - TBB, rasengan, and a few others aren't in that category so if they were strong enough they could break through it - if it's not breakable they'll pass through it since they're non elemental. Also, susanoo has 75% of itself uncovered even with the Yata mirror. Not all jutsu hit what's directly in front, some can be redirected (Rasenshuriken) and some can literally just surround the entire susanoo (dust release) so it's impossible to say it's impenetrable regardless of the mirror. If that were true, why would Itachi bother using the mirror?
Seriously, you need to get the point of this thread - Itachi's susanoo isn't invincible nor an auto win. If there are flaws here and there, that's fine, my point still stands - this jutsu isn't invincible nor is he, in his own words, "Every jutsu has a weakness."
Of course there are some assumptions, Kishi doesn't explain every last thing down to the smallest details otherwise things like this would be pointless. Also, Sasuke and Itachi NEVER have shown a way to prevent themselves from being pulled out of Susanoo, whether or not Madara is totally immune is up to debate but you seriously can't use him as an example for ITACHI. This thread isn't about Madara, keep that in mind - you're either just being a fan boy or illogical if you think Itachi has a way to prevent himself from being taken out of susanoo.
Also refering to you talking about the mirror, it's said to block elemental jutsu - TBB, rasengan, and a few others aren't in that category so if they were strong enough they could break through it - if it's not breakable they'll pass through it since they're non elemental. Also, susanoo has 75% of itself uncovered even with the Yata mirror. Not all jutsu hit what's directly in front, some can be redirected (Rasenshuriken) and some can literally just surround the entire susanoo (dust release) so it's impossible to say it's impenetrable regardless of the mirror. If that were true, why would Itachi bother using the mirror?
Seriously, you need to get the point of this thread - Itachi's susanoo isn't invincible nor an auto win. If there are flaws here and there, that's fine, my point still stands - this jutsu isn't invincible nor is he, in his own words, "Every jutsu has a weakness."
It is said to block any attack... :All attacks, whether from an astral body, ninjutsu, physical"
i already linked you the page from kishi's databook..
noone is saying itachi's susanno is invincible , you are just stating incorrect info.. yata mirror doesn't only block elemental attakcs.. it repels everything, as seen with sasuke's kusanagi sword
and even though susanno itself is uncovered, YOU YOURSELF stated yata mirror has no true physical form, and thus can change depending on the circumstance ./..
for eg, totsuka sword only looks like a big sword, because it's in susanoo's hand.. which is big.. it has no true form.. depending on how the user wishes it is
Of course there are some assumptions, Kishi doesn't explain every last thing down to the smallest details otherwise things like this would be pointless. Also, Sasuke and Itachi NEVER have shown a way to prevent themselves from being pulled out of Susanoo, whether or not Madara is totally immune is up to debate but you seriously can't use him as an example for ITACHI. This thread isn't about Madara, keep that in mind - you're either just being a fan boy or illogical if you think Itachi has a way to prevent himself from being taken out of susanoo.
Also refering to you talking about the mirror, it's said to block elemental jutsu - TBB, rasengan, and a few others aren't in that category so if they were strong enough they could break through it - if it's not breakable they'll pass through it since they're non elemental. Also, susanoo has 75% of itself uncovered even with the Yata mirror. Not all jutsu hit what's directly in front, some can be redirected (Rasenshuriken) and some can literally just surround the entire susanoo (dust release) so it's impossible to say it's impenetrable regardless of the mirror. If that were true, why would Itachi bother using the mirror?
Seriously, you need to get the point of this thread - Itachi's susanoo isn't invincible nor an auto win. If there are flaws here and there, that's fine, my point still stands - this jutsu isn't invincible nor is he, in his own words, "Every jutsu has a weakness."
Sasuke has Chidori nagashi where his body is covered with chidori which will remove the sand from his leg and itachi could just use his crow trick or clones i mean come on something that simple wont beat susano'o and to make ur statement clear for you im a fanboy who can back up the shit he says therefore making what i say true.
And about the yato mirror it didnt make it clear that it blocks physical attacks but someone already proved you wrong in that department, rasenshuriken is wind and like u said "kishi doesnt say everything down to detail" so ima use this quote against you. Kishi said that it blocks elemental attacks because thats mainly the ones it has had to deflect. and to take this so called assumption and fanboyism to the next level it was stated in the manga that it deflects ALL ATTACKS! im only addressing the stuff that people havent already proven you wrong in or u need an obvious refresher.
Sasuke has Chidori nagashi where his body is covered with chidori which will remove the sand from his leg and itachi could just use his crow trick or clones i mean come on something that simple wont beat susano'o and to make ur statement clear for you im a fanboy who can back up the shit he says therefore making what i say true.
And about the yato mirror it didnt make it clear that it blocks physical attacks but someone already proved you wrong in that department, rasenshuriken is wind and like u said "kishi doesnt say everything down to detail" so ima use this quote against you. Kishi said that it blocks elemental attacks because thats mainly the ones it has had to deflect. and to take this so called assumption and fanboyism to the next level it as stated in the manga that it deflects ALL ATTACKS! im only addressing the stuff that people havent already proven you wrong in or u need an obvious refresher.
You're just a fan boy, it's clear now. Chidori nagashi won't simply remove sand and there are other methods like chakra arms which will be even harder to remove.
The crow trick? Explain. If you mean his genjutsu it's not that simple, if you're referring to something else he still can't escape susanoo so I fail to see what point you're trying to make here.
Even if the yata mirror is 100% undefeatable, which it can't be as everything in Naruto has a weakness, then what about the 75% of susanoo the mirror doesn't cover? You still haven't given me a reasonable argument against that.
You don't back up your statements with facts, quotes, links, or pictures - you just say what's on your mind. You're just a fan boy, accept it.
Also instead of attacking one of the four possible flaws in my argument, attack it all or simply leave. I don't like fan boys so I won't respond to anymore of your arguments without some actual facts.
You're just a fan boy, it's clear now. Chidori nagashi won't simply remove sand and there are other methods like chakra arms which will be even harder to remove.
The crow trick? Explain. If you mean his genjutsu it's not that simple, if you're referring to something else he still can't escape susanoo so I fail to see what point you're trying to make here.
Even if the yata mirror is 100% undefeatable, which it can't be as everything in Naruto has a weakness, then what about the 75% of susanoo the mirror doesn't cover? You still haven't given me a reasonable argument against that.
You don't back up your statements with facts, quotes, links, or pictures - you just say what's on your mind. You're just a fan boy, accept it.
Also instead of attacking one of the four possible flaws in my argument, attack it all or simply leave. I don't like fan boys so I won't respond to anymore of your arguments without some actual facts.
Yata Mirror reflects every attack so your wrong. Totsuka seals everything in its way that boss. Sasuno'o with those weapons are INVINCIBLE. Admit it unless the preta path is here but guess what he isnt so STFU Sasuno'o is INVINCIBLE
You're just a fan boy, it's clear now. Chidori nagashi won't simply remove sand and there are other methods like chakra arms which will be even harder to remove.
The crow trick? Explain. If you mean his genjutsu it's not that simple, if you're referring to something else he still can't escape susanoo so I fail to see what point you're trying to make here.
Even if the yata mirror is 100% undefeatable, which it can't be as everything in Naruto has a weakness, then what about the 75% of susanoo the mirror doesn't cover? You still haven't given me a reasonable argument against that.
You don't back up your statements with facts, quotes, links, or pictures - you just say what's on your mind. You're just a fan boy, accept it.
Also instead of attacking one of the four possible flaws in my argument, attack it all or simply leave. I don't like fan boys so I won't respond to anymore of your arguments without some actual facts.
How about realizing and stop acting like a dumbass. Earth is weak to electric and therefore it will easily remove it. I DID ADDRESS THE STUPID MIRROR SHIT. If you stop acting so ****ing immature about critics you would realize i said The 75% is still cover with a full body susano;o which we have yet to see get broken we have only see the partical susano'os be broken. ITs not as week as you think around those areas simple not being cover with the shield does not turn strong defense into a weak spot because its defense isnt as strong as the shields. Now i already said that I DIDNT NEED TO COMMENT ON UR STUPID THOUGHTS THAT WERE ALREADY ADDRESSED BY OTHERS. Read the comments on your own damn thread the guy already quote ur damn thread and pointed out everything i agreed with and the one thing i didnt i quoted what he said and added my edits to what i thought was wrong. I posted the pic of susano'o having legs so im still not using evidence in my post? stop using ur only arguement of "your a fanboy" to win a debate when thet bullshitt gets u no where everything you have brought up i have addressed already go the **** back and read.
Sorry, should have been far more clear about that. The point I was trying to get across was that yata has a weakness which is only covering a certain area, in other words at the maximum one side of susanoo.
How about realizing and stop acting like a dumbass. Earth is weak to electric and therefore it will easily remove it. I DID ADDRESS THE STUPID MIRROR SHIT. If you stop acting so ****ing immature about critics you would realize i said The 75% is still cover with a full body susano;o which we have yet to see get broken we have only see the partical susano'os be broken. ITs not as week as you think around those areas simple not being cover with the shield does not turn strong defense into a weak spot because its defense isnt as strong as the shields. Now i already said that I DIDNT NEED TO COMMENT ON UR STUPID THOUGHTS THAT WERE ALREADY ADDRESSED BY OTHERS. Read the comments on your own damn thread the guy already quote ur damn thread and pointed out everything i agreed with and the one thing i didnt i quoted what he said and added my edits to what i thought was wrong. I posted the pic of susano'o having legs so im still not using evidence in my post? stop using ur only arguement of "your a fanboy" to win a debate when thet bullshitt gets u no where everything you have brought up i have addressed already go the **** back and read.
God you're a moron, one jutsu type being better than the other doesn't mean it wins (wind release: rasenshuriken vs. the third raikage's lightning armor, seriously, this is obvious) also we have only seen partial susanoos broken but that doesn't mean a full susanoo is completely indestructible. The sand won't just be cut like that and if necessary Gaara has his special sand which may fare better. Also, still waiting on your argument against chakra arms, jutsu that can go under the susanoo and do damage, and all of the other issues this flaw creates.
And are you seriously using the susanoo with legs as an argument? Madara's susanoo is SPECIAL. This has never been seen in anyone else, this is about Itachi's susanoo, you can't say all susanoo have legs because only one has been seen with it and it is someone who is smacking around the five kages with no problems whatsoever.
Use ITACHI'S susanoo as evidence, no susanoo is the same as another, each one has unique abilities. While I don't want to get into how each of the three main Uchiha emphasize one MS abilities (Itachi with tsukuyomi, Sasuke with amaterasu, and Madara with susanoo based on feats and each one having special abilities with their respective techniques) Itachi's susanoo most likely never developed to the level Madara's did.
Also, it's pretty pointless to call someone's thought's stupid - they're my thoughts and if your opinion doesn't matter on them to me it just doesn't. I could say the same for you but won't as I feel everyone's ideas have some merit. Feel free to stop posting on my thread if you're just going to be obviously angry while posting on it.
Yata Mirror reflects every attack so your wrong. Totsuka seals everything in its way that boss. Sasuno'o with those weapons are INVINCIBLE. Admit it unless the preta path is here but guess what he isnt so STFU Sasuno'o is INVINCIBLE
Sorry, should have been far more clear about that. The point I was trying to get across was that yata has a weakness which is only covering a certain area, in other words at the maximum one side of susanoo.
ahh but didn't you say yata mirror has no true physical form? and that it changes depending on the situation? so don't you agree then that it can change according and still block any attack? even if it comes from behind etc?
A very good analysis. the only issue that i see is the issue of the Yata Mirror. in the databook it states it has ALL nature transformations. while the Rinnegan states the Wielder gets all BASIC nature transformations. so it's POSSIBLE that the Yata Mirror instead of using opposite element to negate jutsu it's using the same elements that are hitting it and negating them by exerting the same energy level similar to how kakashi negated one of Kakuzu's lightning attacks with his own. So it's up for debate on whether the Yata Mirror can or can not stop elements composed of 2+ elements. just thought i'd add that extra bit, though it doesn't change the overall premise that much and it can still be broken by a strong enough neutral attack, even IF it can stop all ninjutsu.
