Itachi's Strength

[arv993]

I never argued that Itachi was not protected by susano'o items. His response was weird because It did not address anything I was talking about. Now, I have said multiple times that ITachi is strong but Kadowade is one of the people who overrate him. That is a statement of fact, which has nothing to do with Itachi as a character

ok sorry man i thought you were just hating on itachi and then i went back and read your conversation and realized what u were talking about.

 

[Nidaimerocks]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

STOOPID post.

Is it really?

1)It takes time for Pein to completely use Chibaku tensei. Do you really think Itachi doesn't have enough reaction time to use Tsukuyomi?

So what if he used tsukuyomi? It affects but one path. Pein uses naraka path and heals the path that was affected and proceeds to mop the floor with Itachi. He has no moves that would incapacitate Pein. Amaterasu can be repelled by shira tensei and absorbed by preta path. Susano'o is chakra and preta path would suck Itachi dry

2)The first would tie him down with wood? LOL. Do you seriously think that Tsukuyomi that is practically instant would not catch him? "Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make it seem to last for days when in fact it only lasts a few seconds."

It won't matter much if tsukuyomi is used on kage bunshin. Genjutsu does not work on kage bunshin

7)Muu would own him I guess.

Actually, Itachi would own Muu. Muu's invisibility would not work against the sharingan (see the fight between Obito and Iwa jounin). While jinton is scary, susano'o should protect Itachi from it while I do not see how Muu deals with genjutsu or amaterasu

8)Jman would not outlast him :/ He wouldn't use his SM first, so Itachi would definitely Tsukuyomi him.

If Jiraiya starts in sage mode, he beats Itachi otherwise he would not

9)Raikage wouldn't get a scratch? I believe Itachi won't win here, though Raikage would still suffer major wounds. Itachi's Susanoo is complete, Raikage would not break through. Though thats just IMO.

Raikage does not have to break through susano'o. He can just force Itachi to keep it up and thereby commit suicide (susano'o drains life force and Itachi does not have a lot of it)

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

Is it really?



So what if he used tsukuyomi? It affects but one path. Pein uses naraka path and heals the path that was affected and proceeds to mop the floor with Itachi. He has no moves that would incapacitate Pein. Amaterasu can be repelled by shira tensei and absorbed by preta path. Susano'o is chakra and preta path would suck Itachi dry



It won't matter much if tsukuyomi is used on kage bunshin. Genjutsu does not work on kage bunshin


Actually, Itachi would own Muu. Muu's invisibility would not work against the sharingan (see the fight between Obito and Iwa jounin). While jinton is scary, susano'o should protect Itachi from it while I do not see how Muu deals with genjutsu or amaterasu



If Jiraiya starts in sage mode, he beats Itachi otherwise he would not



Raikage does not have to break through susano'o. He can just force Itachi to keep it up and thereby commit suicide (susano'o drains life force and Itachi does not have a lot of it)

u kno that tsukiyomi as a possibility to defeat raikage and jiraya also. if you are talking about 6 paths of pain itachi actually has a good chance of winning if he was like when he was in part one. He can pretty much kill other paths with amaterasu which he can use a considerable amount in quantity(sasuke vs itachi he uses it a lot), he can make summons nothing. deva and preta paths are the only problems but deva can be beaten genjutsu, sword of totsuka, preta is weak and can be beaten by taijutsu or immobilized by genjutsu. And when amaterasu hits it burns the body and since like in ch 550 but since they are not in edo tensei they cannot regenerate. And nakara path takes time to revive paths and he can be killed even though he is behind their lines but all itachi has to do is see them. He also has the option to use susano to seal some of the paths and just immobilize or kill preta at the beginning.

 

[Inspector]

itachi cant own jiraya to he said it himself evn with kisame at hes side i just saw it when rewatching naruto

 

[jjnew123]

heres what i think happens IMO

1st and second hokage- Both the first and second hokage have both faced countless uchiha in thier lifetime, tho most of them probly werent as strong as itachi, but nonetheless are very familiar with the uchiha and the sharingan. The first also fought against the most powerfull uchiha of in his time madara uchiha. Even tho Madara was the strongest uchiha and had the ninetails on his side and had EMS the 1st still won, leaving madara thought to be dead. The second was the most proficient in water jutsu to ever come out of konoha and probly the shinobi world. I think this gives him an advantage of an uchiha due to uchiha being mainly fire users. The first deffinitly wins but im not sure about the second.

3rd hokage- The third was saiid to be the most strongest hokage ever. Even tho he was known to be the strongest ever i still dont see anything that gives him a distinct advandage in this fight..

4th hokage- The 4th was without a doubt the fastest shinobi ever. The 4th went one on one with madara uchiha, even tho he was slightly weaker at the time, and even tho madara fled IMO the 4th won that fight. I think that the 4th is to fast for itachi and that he wont be able to cast his most powerfull genjutsu due to the fact that it requires eye contact. I dont think that itachi will be able to make eye contact with the 4th.

5th hokage- lol. Dont get me wrong. I think the 5th is a good hokage but i dont see anyway possible that the 5th wins this fight.

madara Uchiha- Madara was one of the first of two people to earn MS and later acquired EMS. Even tho madara was beat by the 1st I sill dont see itachis MS overcoming madaras EMS. madara in his prime wins this.

1st-loses
2nd-loses
3rd-beats
4th-loses
5th-beats
madara-loses

itachi is one of my favorite ninja in natuto and i also think he was one of the bes. but to say that he beats every single hokage and madara is jus silly IMO.

 

[Nidaimerocks]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

u kno that tsukiyomi as a possibility to defeat raikage and jiraya also.

How is it going to defeat raikage when he moves so freaking fast. For tsukuyomi to work the victim has to LOOK into Itachi's eyes DIRECTLY. Do you think Sasuke simply forgot to use genjutsu against the raikage? As for Jiraiya, tsukuyomi is as much a threat as a bunch of Jiraiya's jutsu (kawazu naki for example). That is why Itachi said a fight between them could go either way

if you are talking about 6 paths of pain itachi actually has a good chance of winning if he was like when he was in part one. He can pretty much kill other paths with amaterasu which he can use a considerable amount in quantity(sasuke vs itachi he uses it a lot), he can make summons nothing.

This is where you are wrong. He can't kill the other paths because the paths WORK TOGETHER. That is the whole point of Pein Rikudou jutsu.

deva and preta paths are the only problems but deva can be beaten genjutsu, sword of totsuka, preta is weak and can be beaten by taijutsu or immobilized by genjutsu.

Thanks for the useless info. This is not Itachi vs. each path of Pein but Itachi vs. PEIN with his six realms. Sword of totsuka and all that shit is CHAKRA, Preta would suck it dry.

And when amaterasu hits it burns the body and since like in ch 550 but since they are not in edo tensei they cannot regenerate.

Sure, it burns the body like it did the samurai? Or what about Karin? Did it burn her out too? Please

And nakara path takes time to revive paths and he can be killed even though he is behind their lines but all itachi has to do is see them. He also has the option to use susano to seal some of the paths and just immobilize or kill preta at the beginning.

Are you just saying these things because they sound good or do you think about them.

AMATERASU: It is not instantaneous and Pein and has shown that he can anticipate Itachi using it. Therefore, he will not be surprised by it. Deva and Preta can take care of it. Alternatively, Pein could sacrifice a summon to save himself

TSUKUYOMI: Requires eye contact and cannot work on more than path at the same time. Even if it did work on a path. It does not matter because Naraka would fix it.

SUSANO'O: Made of chakra and therefore preta can suck it dry. Preta sucks more chakra in one go than samehada. Since Itachi has VERY LITTLE chakra even when he was healthy, he would be DEAD from lack of chakra

REGULAR GENJUTSU: Regular genjutsu can be broken by attacking Itachi or simply inserting chakra into the affected path. This is so easy that Sakura broke Itachi's genjutsu

Now, let's review Pein's jutsu

SHIRA TENSEI / BANSHO TENNIN: Itachi has no response for this except to go for susano'o. However, susano'o drains his life force

CHIBAKU TENSEI: No need to comment

PRETA PATH: While he is weak to taijutsu, he is covered by the other paths line of sight. Itachi can't blindside it because the other paths can see him coming. He renders all ninjutsu ineffective and if he so much as touches Itachi for chakra absorption, Itachi is DEAD

NINGENDO PATH: One touch from him and Itachi is DEAD

I could go on but there is no need to. The difference between Itachi and Pein is that Pein can take ALL of Itachi's punishment and survive while Pein has too many moves that would kill Itachi right away. Itachi without knowledge would not know what to do against Pein and how to attack him. Even with knowledge, he still could not win because he has no AOE genjutsu. The reason Jiraiya could incapacitate Pein was because gamarinshou is an AOE genjutsu, which tsukuyomi is not. But you remember what happened to Jiraiya, right?

 

[Volcmike]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

how is it going to defeat raikage when he moves so freaking fast. For tsukuyomi to work the victim has to look into itachi's eyes directly. Do you think sasuke simply forgot to use genjutsu against the raikage? As for jiraiya, tsukuyomi is as much a threat as a bunch of jiraiya's jutsu (kawazu naki for example). That is why itachi said a fight between them could go either way



this is where you are wrong. He can't kill the other paths because the paths work together. That is the whole point of pein rikudou jutsu.



Thanks for the useless info. This is not itachi vs. Each path of pein but itachi vs. Pein with his six realms. Sword of totsuka and all that shit is chakra, preta would suck it dry.



Sure, it burns the body like it did the samurai? Or what about karin? Did it burn her out too? Please



are you just saying these things because they sound good or do you think about them.

amaterasu: It is not instantaneous and pein and has shown that he can anticipate itachi using it. Therefore, he will not be surprised by it. Deva and preta can take care of it. Alternatively, pein could sacrifice a summon to save himself

tsukuyomi: Requires eye contact and cannot work on more than path at the same time. Even if it did work on a path. It does not matter because naraka would fix it.

susano'o: Made of chakra and therefore preta can suck it dry. Preta sucks more chakra in one go than samehada. Since itachi has very little chakra even when he was healthy, he would be dead from lack of chakra

regular genjutsu: Regular genjutsu can be broken by attacking itachi or simply inserting chakra into the affected path. This is so easy that sakura broke itachi's genjutsu

now, let's review pein's jutsu

shira tensei / bansho tennin: Itachi has no response for this except to go for susano'o. However, susano'o drains his life force

chibaku tensei: No need to comment

preta path: While he is weak to taijutsu, he is covered by the other paths line of sight. Itachi can't blindside it because the other paths can see him coming. He renders all ninjutsu ineffective and if he so much as touches itachi for chakra absorption, itachi is dead

ningendo path: One touch from him and itachi is dead

i could go on but there is no need to. The difference between itachi and pein is that pein can take all of itachi's punishment and survive while pein has too many moves that would kill itachi right away. Itachi without knowledge would not know what to do against pein and how to attack him. Even with knowledge, he still could not win because he has no aoe genjutsu. The reason jiraiya could incapacitate pein was because gamarinshou is an aoe genjutsu, which tsukuyomi is not. But you remember what happened to jiraiya, right?

i agree.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Itachi is definitely my favorite, way back since he was first introduced. But he is definitely also not the strongest shinobi. Given the right circumstances, he's capable of beating any of the great shinobi's. But I wouldn't bet on Itachi in a fight with ANY of the dead Hokage's.

 

[Volcmike]

Itachi is definitely my favorite, way back since he was first introduced. But he is definitely also not the strongest shinobi. Given the right circumstances, he's capable of beating any of the great shinobi's. But I wouldn't bet on Itachi in a fight with ANY of the dead Hokage's.

Well, we never really saw Itachi fight in his best condition, he was often sick and when he could fight, his opponents didn't stand a chance e.g. Kakashi

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

heres what i think happens IMO

1st and second hokage- Both the first and second hokage have both faced countless uchiha in thier lifetime, tho most of them probly werent as strong as itachi, but nonetheless are very familiar with the uchiha and the sharingan. The first also fought against the most powerfull uchiha of in his time madara uchiha. Even tho Madara was the strongest uchiha and had the ninetails on his side and had EMS the 1st still won, leaving madara thought to be dead. The second was the most proficient in water jutsu to ever come out of konoha and probly the shinobi world. I think this gives him an advantage of an uchiha due to uchiha being mainly fire users. The first deffinitly wins but im not sure about the second.

3rd hokage- The third was saiid to be the most strongest hokage ever. Even tho he was known to be the strongest ever i still dont see anything that gives him a distinct advandage in this fight..

4th hokage- The 4th was without a doubt the fastest shinobi ever. The 4th went one on one with madara uchiha, even tho he was slightly weaker at the time, and even tho madara fled IMO the 4th won that fight. I think that the 4th is to fast for itachi and that he wont be able to cast his most powerfull genjutsu due to the fact that it requires eye contact. I dont think that itachi will be able to make eye contact with the 4th.

5th hokage- lol. Dont get me wrong. I think the 5th is a good hokage but i dont see anyway possible that the 5th wins this fight.

madara Uchiha- Madara was one of the first of two people to earn MS and later acquired EMS. Even tho madara was beat by the 1st I sill dont see itachis MS overcoming madaras EMS. madara in his prime wins this.

1st-loses
2nd-loses
3rd-beats
4th-loses
5th-beats
madara-loses

itachi is one of my favorite ninja in natuto and i also think he was one of the bes. but to say that he beats every single hokage and madara is jus silly IMO.

3rd-"beats"??
whilst
1st-loses??
2nd-loses??

In his prime Hiruzen, the Professor of Ninjutsu, is probably the strongest in that list (if not the 4th).
This is the same guy who took on Hasirama + Tobirama + Orochimaru + Old Age all at the same time and managed a positive outcome.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

How is it going to defeat raikage when he moves so freaking fast. For tsukuyomi to work the victim has to LOOK into Itachi's eyes DIRECTLY. Do you think Sasuke simply forgot to use genjutsu against the raikage? As for Jiraiya, tsukuyomi is as much a threat as a bunch of Jiraiya's jutsu (kawazu naki for example). That is why Itachi said a fight between them could go either way



This is where you are wrong. He can't kill the other paths because the paths WORK TOGETHER. That is the whole point of Pein Rikudou jutsu.



Thanks for the useless info. This is not Itachi vs. each path of Pein but Itachi vs. PEIN with his six realms. Sword of totsuka and all that shit is CHAKRA, Preta would suck it dry.



Sure, it burns the body like it did the samurai? Or what about Karin? Did it burn her out too? Please



Are you just saying these things because they sound good or do you think about them.

AMATERASU: It is not instantaneous and Pein and has shown that he can anticipate Itachi using it. Therefore, he will not be surprised by it. Deva and Preta can take care of it. Alternatively, Pein could sacrifice a summon to save himself

TSUKUYOMI: Requires eye contact and cannot work on more than path at the same time. Even if it did work on a path. It does not matter because Naraka would fix it.

SUSANO'O: Made of chakra and therefore preta can suck it dry. Preta sucks more chakra in one go than samehada. Since Itachi has VERY LITTLE chakra even when he was healthy, he would be DEAD from lack of chakra

REGULAR GENJUTSU: Regular genjutsu can be broken by attacking Itachi or simply inserting chakra into the affected path. This is so easy that Sakura broke Itachi's genjutsu

Now, let's review Pein's jutsu

SHIRA TENSEI / BANSHO TENNIN: Itachi has no response for this except to go for susano'o. However, susano'o drains his life force

CHIBAKU TENSEI: No need to comment

PRETA PATH: While he is weak to taijutsu, he is covered by the other paths line of sight. Itachi can't blindside it because the other paths can see him coming. He renders all ninjutsu ineffective and if he so much as touches Itachi for chakra absorption, Itachi is DEAD

NINGENDO PATH: One touch from him and Itachi is DEAD

I could go on but there is no need to. The difference between Itachi and Pein is that Pein can take ALL of Itachi's punishment and survive while Pein has too many moves that would kill Itachi right away. Itachi without knowledge would not know what to do against Pein and how to attack him. Even with knowledge, he still could not win because he has no AOE genjutsu. The reason Jiraiya could incapacitate Pein was because gamarinshou is an AOE genjutsu, which tsukuyomi is not. But you remember what happened to Jiraiya, right?

nagato's paths are not fast enough to dodge amaterasu first of all they are pretty slow. And the samurai was wearing armor that is why it didn't burn him go read ch 550 it burns the arms of nagato but he is an edo so he regenerates. the paths cannot are not fast have no speed feats and can be stopped by amaterasu. He can also use susano and block any attack if he needs and can seal the paths using sword of totsuka which is fast but it is amaterasu can do the trick. They work together but without animal and deva they lose a lot of fighting power and any really strong attack can also be blocked by susano. And he can immobilize a path with genjutsu, if their teamwork gets in the way susano the ultimate defense block any attack. And amaterasu is a fast attack and accurate and a lot faster than the rasengans
naruto was throwing. it can get the paths. deva and preta are the only real problems but can be dealt with by susano. Itachi would be exhausted after the fight but can still pull out a win. And preta can be immobilized with genjutsu while itachi can take the others not to mention preta is slow he can't just go up to itachi and try to suck up his chakra itachi is no fool he would either use taijutsu or genjutsu.Itachi without knowledge would probably lose but with it he would win. And BTW nakara is not instant healing he takes time for his jutsu to revive his paths go to re-read that part.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Well, we never really saw Itachi fight in his best condition, he was often sick and when he could fight, his opponents didn't stand a chance e.g. Kakashi

Kakashi shat his pants for Orochimaru.

I'm sure the reason Itachi didn't just take out Madara (even with Madara being far weaker than he was before his legendary fight) is because he wasn't confident he could take him out. If Itachi were stronger than Sarutobi Hiruzen, then he'd be stronger than Tobirama+Hashirama+Orochimaru. ALL AT THE SAME TIME!!! And we all know that Hashirama beat Madara ( in his prime + Kyuubi)

So if he cant even take out an empty shell of a Madara, then...

 

[Volcmike]

I'm sure the reason Itachi didn't just taken out Madara (even with Madara being far weaker than he was before his legendary fight) is because he wasn't confident he could take him out. If Itachi were stronger than Sarutobi Hiruzen, then he'd be stronger than Tobirama+Hashirama+Orichimaru. ALL AT THE SAME TIME!!! And we all know that Hashirama beat Madara ( in his prime + Kyuubi)

So if he cant even take out an empty shell of a Madara, then...

You just said it was about confidence! but i think that the reason why he couldn't take out madara is because towards the end of his life, his sickeness was severe, Maybe Itachi could have taken madara out but it would have required his SOOO MUCH CHAKRA AND STAMINA, which he didn't have.
I also think that if he would've been better -in health- he couldve done it.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

You just said it was about confidence! but i think that the reason why he couldn't take out madara is because towards the end of his life, his sickeness was severe, Maybe Itachi could have taken madara out but it would have required his SOOO MUCH CHAKRA AND STAMINA, which he didn't have.
I also think that if he would've been better -in health- he couldve done it.

Under the right circumstances, yes. But statistically, probably not.

Both Itachi and Madara were geniuses. But Madara, in his prime, had tons of chakra, were as Itachi had below average chackra. Plus Madara had EMS + Kyuubi and knew more about the Uchiha and Sharingan than anyone (heck he co-discovered MS and discovered EMS and all the cool techniques associated with them). Which means that Madara, more than any one else, knows best how to counter the Sharingan at any level.

 

[Nidaimerocks]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

nagato's paths are not fast enough to dodge amaterasu first of all they are pretty slow.

Thank God they don't have to DODGE it, just repel it or absorb it. Gaara did not have a problem blocking amaterasu with his sand. Please do not overrate amaterasu

And the samurai was wearing armor that is why it didn't burn him go read ch 550 it burns the arms of nagato but he is an edo so he regenerates.

You conveniently forget Karin. LOL

the paths cannot are not fast have no speed feats and can be stopped by amaterasu.

The paths are not fast? They have feats of stopping the fastest sage mode jutsu. Amaterasu can be stopped by Gaara's sand. Anyone who has faced amaterasu and was expecting it made fun of that shit. Sasuke outran it for a while, Raikage dodged it and Gaara blocked that shit

He can also use susano and block any attack if he needs and can seal the paths using sword of totsuka which is fast but it is amaterasu can do the trick.

You keep repeating the same shit bro. Susano'o can be broken through with strong attacks as Danzou demonstrated. Even Itachi's susano'o does not cover his back. Plus, preta ABSORBS CHAKRA!!!!! How is he going to seal the paths when preta absorbs the sword of totsuka. You keep repeating your shit bro, address my retorts

They work together but without animal and deva they lose a lot of fighting power and any really strong attack can also be blocked by susano.

Which susano'o? The same one made out of chakra that preta absorbs???????????????????? Talk about that for a minute

And he can immobilize a path with genjutsu,

Did you not read my response as to how this would not work with Pein? What is the point of arguing if you just ignore my responses?

if their teamwork gets in the way susano the ultimate defense block any attack. And amaterasu is a fast attack and accurate and a lot faster than the rasengans naruto was throwing. it can get the paths. deva and preta are the only real problems but can be dealt with by susano.

You keep repeating the same shit. Susano'o is made of chakra!!! Preta would suck it like candy!!!!! Amaterasu is not as fast as you say. Gaara blocked it. Remember?

Itachi would be exhausted after the fight but can still pull out a win. And preta can be immobilized with genjutsu while itachi can take the others not to mention preta is slow he can't just go up to itachi and try to suck up his chakra itachi is no fool he would either use taijutsu or genjutsu.

His taijutsu won't cut it. Sage mode Jiraiya is MILES above Itachi in taijutsu and even he struggled. Sage mode Jiraiya is faster and stronger than Itachi but his blows were dealt with. As long as the other paths are around, Preta would deal with Itachi's taijutsu. Itachi's genjutsu won't be a problem because the other paths can break it by attacking Itachi or inserting chakra in Preta.

Itachi without knowledge would probably lose but with it he would win. And BTW nakara is not instant healing he takes time for his jutsu to revive his paths go to re-read that part.

1. I never said naraka's healing was instantaneous. So, your point is moot
2. Even with knowledge, Itachi would still lose. Bansho tennin is enough to deal with Itachi

 

[Sentinel]

I just wonder if itachi still regenerates now. I know he overcame the control of edo tensei, and he still is a soul bound to a living sacrefice, but it seems like kabuto has no control over him anymore and can not even return him to his coffin, otherwhise I think he would have done it the moment itachi overcame the edo tensei.
if itachi can still regenerate and kabuto can not regain his control or send him to his coffin then Itachi has become an inmortal ninja that protects konoha and has a mind of his own, not a bad protector I would say. only thing that could stop him is if he got sealed.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is d strongest ninja ever(not includin So6p)

Thank God they don't have to DODGE it, just repel it or absorb it. Gaara did not have a problem blocking amaterasu with his sand. Please do not overrate amaterasu



You conveniently forget Karin. LOL



The paths are not fast? They have feats of stopping the fastest sage mode jutsu. Amaterasu can be stopped by Gaara's sand. Anyone who has faced amaterasu and was expecting it made fun of that shit. Sasuke outran it for a while, Raikage dodged it and Gaara blocked that shit




You keep repeating the same shit bro. Susano'o can be broken through with strong attacks as Danzou demonstrated. Even Itachi's susano'o does not cover his back. Plus, preta ABSORBS CHAKRA!!!!! How is he going to seal the paths when preta absorbs the sword of totsuka. You keep repeating your shit bro, address my retorts



Which susano'o? The same one made out of chakra that preta absorbs???????????????????? Talk about that for a minute



Did you not read my response as to how this would not work with Pein? What is the point of arguing if you just ignore my responses?



You keep repeating the same shit. Susano'o is made of chakra!!! Preta would suck it like candy!!!!! Amaterasu is not as fast as you say. Gaara blocked it. Remember?



His taijutsu won't cut it. Sage mode Jiraiya is MILES above Itachi in taijutsu and even he struggled. Sage mode Jiraiya is faster and stronger than Itachi but his blows were dealt with. As long as the other paths are around, Preta would deal with Itachi's taijutsu. Itachi's genjutsu won't be a problem because the other paths can break it by attacking Itachi or inserting chakra in Preta.



1. I never said naraka's healing was instantaneous. So, your point is moot
2. Even with knowledge, Itachi would still lose. Bansho tennin is enough to deal with Itachi

karin was just hit for a second and sasuke saved her but it would burn the paths becos they would have a longer tie where they are burning and preta can be stopped by taijutsu and genjutsu can work it has not been stated that only sound genjutsu to work preta is not gonna suck it up itachi isn't a dumbass preta is slow and can be hit with taijutsu or immobilized by genjutsu(which you hav no proof that doesn't work). Pain's paths dodged the fastest sage jutsu what is that if you are talking about naruto's rasen-shuriken that is slow as hell. you keep overrating preta he was slow and can't just go up to itachi and suck up all his chakra, itachi with knowledge would take him out or immobilize him. amaterasu is a fast jutsu the paths are not fast at all especially the summoning girl who was even about to be hit by rasen-shuriken until she was pulled away. they have no speed feats amaterasu is a fast and accurate jutsu and gaara's sand has gotten much faster over the years his dad even mentions that and was surprised. if preta is done and itachi is fast and all he has to do is see others and use amaterasu and activate susano for strong attacks like shinra tensei and the 5 sec time limit is a weak-spot that itachi can use and seal even deva with the sword which is fast. itachi who is healthy like he was in part 1 can win he has enough stamina to pull it off, in his battle against sasuke where he was sick he was able to use amaterasu a lot, use regular ninjutsu, genjutsu on sasuke even tsukiyomi and then still use susano, if he was healthy he can do better and still have enough stamina to pull out a win. the pains are slow about naruto's speed(b4 kyubi mode) and itachi superior in that perspective and can win if he had prior info, but still a battle that is extremely hard and can go either way more likely itachi. you think that itachi just loses simply and downplays everything like amaterasu, susano and his intelliegnce which he would have and use it to kno who is dangerous like preta and take him out.

 

[Volcmike]

Hmmm :1

 

[Sage Minato]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

wow, stop hyping them because they have never shown any good tai or gen techniquies.... think about this, we ver rarely see them fight for 1 and 2, we rarely see itachi do anything outside of gen. you know, because you stick with what you are best at. im not saying minato and hashirama are only good at nin, but that might be their strongest area just like gen is itachis. when it clearly says in the manga the 4th hokage was the greatest ninja ever (i guess we can now exclude so6p) im sure he can beat itachi. and once again, if hashirama beats ems madara, itatchi with just ms is not that much, c'mon now


please give a good reason why you think itachi is stronger than all the hokages, give me indications and examples from the manga not just "itachi wins just because he has sharingan" or any lame excuse like that....

---- and about the realistic scenario thing, going into battle minato is gonna know that itachi has sharingan and avoid eye-to-eye contact but still get around any genjutsu or susanoo or amaterasu. how about you try to stop oversimplifying battles . and this is what i mean. when you assume minato will get caught in gen right off the back, you are not taking into account his intelligence, speed/reaction time, and the fact that itachi does not always go into battle with the ms or even regular sharingan already activated. thats like saying in a battle against madara or suigaetsu they we will always be dematrialized through-out the whole battle, that doesn't happen. we saw what happened to tobi when he tried that on minato, tobi got out-smarted which is a key factor in battle. i can go on and on about this........ ill stop this post for now...... -_-

This dude knows his stuff lol

I wouldn't say itachi is the strongest but he is definately on kage level.

IMO the 1st 2nd 3rd in his prime and 4th hokages would woop him..... tsunade would prob get raped.

If the thing with the uchiha clan didn't happen then he probablly wouldve been next in line for hokage.

And omg ppl itachi couldve totally taken out kurenai, asuma, and kakashi!

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

well it is stated in naruto wiki that he used ems to control the fox and when he does then a tomoe appears on the fox's eye. But i am not making up jutsus i am saying that if tobi is madara he must have had the kamui, and since hashirama won it would make sense that he could get over his teleportation jutsu but that all depends on if tobi is madara or not i am not saying that as its the truth but it would be true if he madara is tobi. Yes but tsukiyomi has a chance but the reason is it is more likely not going to work is because it is not likely to be as strong as genjutsu that can control the nine tails but we can't be sure. i don't think we can fully decide this argument without being sure if tobi is madara and what all of madara's abilities were.

Naruto wiki often has their facts wrong, that is why we must go off of the databook and manga for facts and use Naruto wiki only for referencing.

And if Tobi is Madara why must he have had kamui back then? If he lost his EMS and got another sharingan then he would have that sharingan's abilities.

And I think Tsukuyomi is different because it is one of the strongest genjutsus ever but Itachi only uses it for a short period of time so he could never control the nine-tails with it, other genjutsu probably but not Tsukuyomi.