And it makes no sense also becus he is the leader of uchiha clan and it would be so ironic that a leader of a clan feared mainly for its eyes can't do genjutsu. But the control of nine tails is just complete proof.
Itachi's Strength
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Itachi Namikaze
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You are speculating just like they are though. There is no proof that Madara had all of the same MS abilities Sasuke and Itachi do as every MS is different. And who's to say Madara was stronger back then? If this is even Madara now. And I'm almost 100% positive that Madara didn't have the ability to teleport back then. I know we have been over this but only a space-time user can beat a space-time user one on one. The only way to fight a space-time user if you are not one is in numbers, waiting until they attack and then hitting them. One on one that isn't really an option. So logic would make me assume that either Hashirama didn't fight Madara alone or that Madara didn't have the ability to teleport (since we have never seen his EMS I think he lost it in that fight and gained Obito's eye somehow that is why his and Kakashi's abilities are similar). Or that Madara isn't Madara at all but an impersonator.
every ms is not different. itachi and sasukes are the same. i am talking about tobi b4 he got rinnigan. he was weaker than back then(shodaime fight EMS) he said it himself.then he says he is a shell of his former self.
im saying tht sum ppl push aside ems madara likee itachi can beat him. if u do tht u might as well push aside ems sasuke. its stupid how ppl say itachi wud rape shodaime considering shodaime beat EMS.EMS!!!! sorry im just fumed rite now.
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you are also speculating that he did not have teleportation jutsu(which may be right) but i am also really sure madara was good at genjutsu cos he is a leader of the uchiha clan and said to be extremely strong and also controlling kyuni with a genjutsu is not easy it is full of hate and have insane amount of chakra. It is completely logical to say madara has good genjutsu(i never said that he had the same ability as Itachi) and since hahsirama beat him it is pretty obvious that hashirama had something to break genjutsu.
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Itachi Namikaze
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I never said that he didn't have genjutsu. I am just talking about their overall strength. I don't think Madara was that much better when he battled Hashirama then he used to be pre-rinnegan.
Because if I am correct in that it either isn't Madara, or that Madara lost his EMS then that would mean he is a shell of himself because he lost some of his eye techniques. So I think what he said may be true, that if he is Madara he may not have as much firepower, (I mean we haven't seen him do a single jutsu other than his TS jutsus have we?) but he gained the ability to teleport and so gained a pretty ultimate defense.
But this is all irrelevant if it actually isn't Madara as we would know he was lying about Hashirama and so we would literally know nothing about them.
man just luk at facts and stop predictions. b4 tobi got rinnegan he said himself he was weaker than when he fought hashirama and then said he is a shell f his former self. he was super strong back then but wasnt when he made ths statement. watever hashirama did 2 him obviously costed tobi his techniques(if he had more he wud have used them on konan) he was stronger in the past by these words ETERNAL MANGEKY SHARINGAN. HE AND HIS BROTHERS POWERS.
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Itachi Namikaze
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How am I supposed to look at facts? There are no facts about it and you can't accept that. We don't know how strong Madara was back then. Have you seen him fight? Has it shown the Madara in the past in any way other than just him standing around? No. So when I'm making predictions I'm guessing, which is what we are all doing until Kishi finally explains Madara and his abilities.
No in the quote you first replied to you said i was speculating and i never said they had the same abilities my previous point was that madara was good at genjutsu and first had some sort of defense to it becos he won. but you may be right he might not be madara at all but an impostor. But idk why you even quoted me about it becos you and i are talking about different techs. I have a question how are you so sure that madara did not have teleportation jutsu. We hav no proof that he didn't.
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u stated tht u arent sure if EMS Prime Madara is stronger then when he was masquerading as tobi. here is the answer....HE WAS STRONGER HE SAID SO HIMSELF AND THE PROOF IS EMS.
Itachi Namikaze
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I was just talking about how you guys were hating on people who said that Itachi can beat Hashirama. You were speculating and so are they, and so am I. We have nothing about that other than the word of a known liar (Madara).
I'm sure because Hashirama has shown nothing to be able to beat Tobi's TS jutsus. He has shown us that he can escape mokuton, and that unless you are working in numbers and plan an attack super well coordinated, you aren't going to be able to even touch him. Or you could be a time space user yourself, which since nothing in the entire manga has been said about and they mentioned Tobirama having it so they would have said if hashirama had it as well, then we have to assume he doesn't. Plus someone, somewhere in konoha would have remembered that Madara was an incredible TS user that surpasses Minato and Tobirama, but everyone was incredibly surprised when they learned about it. If Madara wanted to get Hashirama's DNA then all he would have to do is surprise him and then teleport him to that weird dimension where he put Sasuke and wait for Hashi to die from starvation and lack of water.
Itachi Namikaze
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How is that proof? I acknowledge that EMS Madara would have had more firepower than Tobi but I don't think he would be much better in a fight. Do you know how useful his abilities are? He can literally teleport anywhere, teleport things to an alternate dimension, and become insubstantial for five minutes at a time. That would be very useful against someone who didn't have Minato's speed or a TS jutsu. (Minato has both so he didn't have to worry)
well we won't kno unless we are sure about tobi is madara or not. And you are just assuming that the first only had mokuton, he might have had something else that can take it on but we can't be sure. and the guys we were hating on have no logic, they thnk itachi's genjutsu would just catch hashirama easily and all itachi has to do is kill him from there, it is not that simple hashirama like i said beat madara who had ems with great genjutsu(which is obvious due to the fact that he can control kyubi) so its very likely hashirama can beat itachi but i may be wrong because i am speculating but i feel like its a logical statement.
yes you are right it is a really good jutsu but we don't have enough evidence to say if tobi is madara or not, if he is madara its likely he had the kamui in his fight and that hashirama has a counter if he is not madara then most of the stuff we are talking about woulkd be false.
Itachi is in that league no doubt.. Idk about being stronger though, he can own tsunade no offense (she is the greatest medical shinobi ever) Susanoo, amaterasu, tsukoyomi, and shisui's eye those jutsus can compete with S/T,edo tensei, 1000 jutsus, mokuton/bijuu control, summoning, medical jutsus... but defeating the previous kages is a long shot man even for Itachi, I believe he has a shot of defeating 1v1 any of the kages but it's one epic fight each of them must bring their A game first one who blinks dies.. lol
Itachi Namikaze
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Well as we saw in the fox's eyes when Madara attacked the leaf village, it was only a normal sharingan that was controlling the kyuubi. And yes I am only talking about mokuton because we can't make up random jutsus for people to have, I understand speculation but we have to base it off of what we have seen. He may have been more than capable of beating normal genjutsu but we can't just assume that he would beat Tsukuyomi since only one person ever has and we can argue that it was planned for him to get out of it. (I don't think it was I think Itachi was testing Sasuke)
well it is stated in naruto wiki that he used ems to control the fox and when he does then a tomoe appears on the fox's eye. But i am not making up jutsus i am saying that if tobi is madara he must have had the kamui, and since hashirama won it would make sense that he could get over his teleportation jutsu but that all depends on if tobi is madara or not i am not saying that as its the truth but it would be true if he madara is tobi. Yes but tsukiyomi has a chance but the reason is it is more likely not going to work is because it is not likely to be as strong as genjutsu that can control the nine tails but we can't be sure. i don't think we can fully decide this argument without being sure if tobi is madara and what all of madara's abilities were.
Nidaimerocks
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You can't determine whether or not Itachi's skills are superior to Jiraiya's skill in dispelling
Bullshit. It was ranked A. Sasuke cast a low level genjutsu on Danzou to defeat him and Danzou did not realize it. So, low level genjutsu can be lethal
Jiraiya's first move in battle is always kuchiyose no jutsu. Even if Jiraiya did not know he was in a genjutsu, the toads would
You are the one full of shit. I post the mangaka words or refer to specific events in the manga. You are simply speculating. Typical Itachi fanboy
1. The yata mirror did not block kirin. Get a clue
2. It is hype that the yata mirror is invincible. The same Kishi who said the yata mirror can defeat all attacks also said the kabutowari can defeat all defenses. So, in other words it would defeat the yata mirror. All HYPE!!!!!
What are you talking about. Konan split the water, Itachi would fall, no way he reaches her
I know all that shit. You are the one who brough how Konan hurt Madara not me. So you get a clue. If Itachi was in Madara's position where he could not kill Konan and needed to capture her alive, he would have died a miserable death
Good. You see the light
You don't read the manga do you?
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Madara tells the kage he wants to cast tsukuyomi
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Itachi tells Sasuke Madara never lost his eye power
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Tobi's profile in databook III. This is what Kishi says
Needless to say, Mangekyou Sharingan is the greatest weapon at Madara's disposal. The eternal power he got ahold of by sacrificing his little brother's eyesight, the one that subdues even the Nine-Tailed Fox.
Before you argue, be informed
Read the manga. It would help you.
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Yamato regenerates a wound when Sasuke impales him
Madara regenerates his arm
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When A broke Zetsu's neck, he regenerated and was fine
Funny. How Kishi disagrees with you
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Sakura said (1) Zetsu is an alter ego(=Latin for another me) of shodai and (2) he uses mokuton. :flaw: Get a clue bro
Funny how I am ignorant but provide manga or databook proof for my statement. Have you provided any proof for yours?
LOL. I know nothing about the manga but I am providing manga proof. You know all about it but you provide none. LOL. You are a funny kid
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makinow kitomi
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I realy dont know. But I hope we get to see Itachi vs nagato onthe net ch.
and we will find out then . I only post the def. of gravity to give a inlight on what it is . I only wanted to show some inlight on the dicussion. please give me your thoughts.