Itachi's Strength

[kadowade]

stop konan is not weak she had a deadly jutsu so what you tried to say about madara doesn't prove him weaker than itachi at all.Haven't you relize he doesn't really care about losin limbs that much he'll just throw them at you when he has the chance.you have no proof of jiraiya not being able ot get oout of itachi genjutsu he is trained just think about even if jairaiya wanted ot fight him would you think he just go in a genjutsu fight not knowing how to counter when the enemy just needs to look at your eyes.even if itachi was a spy he can still kill tobi if he had a chance because that will even make danzo more pleased but can't because tobi has tricks.
what are you saying the naruto with the nine tails now only has the yang chakra that's just half at that time there was the complete nine tails you'll to really work to even try to suppress it.
idk why you guys even think Itachi will win against the 1-4 hokages all you say is ssusanno it's not invincible nearly there are ways of countering it.:flaw:

How can susano'o Be Countered lol, Raiikage could Barely break Sasuke's INCOMPLETE VERSION So imagine Itachi incomplete version...No imagine his Complete version. ' Thats why itachi is called invinsible inside it, And The god of valour

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

stop konan is not weak she had a deadly jutsu so what you tried to say about madara doesn't prove him weaker than itachi at all.Haven't you relize he doesn't really care about losin limbs that much he'll just throw them at you when he has the chance.you have no proof of jiraiya not being able ot get oout of itachi genjutsu he is trained just think about even if jairaiya wanted ot fight him would you think he just go in a genjutsu fight not knowing how to counter when the enemy just needs to look at your eyes.even if itachi was a spy he can still kill tobi if he had a chance because that will even make danzo more pleased but can't because tobi has tricks.
what are you saying the naruto with the nine tails now only has the yang chakra that's just half at that time there was the complete nine tails you'll to really work to even try to suppress it.
idk why you guys even think Itachi will win against the 1-4 hokages all you say is ssusanno it's not invincible nearly there are ways of countering it.:flaw:

Most of that post was unintelligible and hard to understand but from what I garnered from it I got that you think Jiraiya could break out of Itachi's genjutsu, you said something (I'm not quite sure what) about Naruto and the nine-tails, and you said that Itachi's Susanoo has ways of being countered.

If you really think that Jiraiya would be able to dispel Itachi's genjutsu then you don't belong on this forum let alone any Naruto site. Even if he was able to break out of Itachi's genjutsu (which he isn't) then he would have to know he was in a genjutsu in the first place. (Which he probably wouldn't unless Itachi told him)

Now I didn't understand the point you were trying to make about Naruto and the kyuubi so let's move on to Susanoo. What are these supposed counters? All I know of is waiting until Itachi runs out of chakra. What are they?

 

[YIN YANG]

all space time ninjutsu are supposed to be fast to dodge attacks.there main point of having it is to dodge or else it's pointless to have.

 

[YIN YANG]

How can susano'o Be Countered lol, Raiikage could Barely break Sasuke's INCOMPLETE VERSION So imagine Itachi incomplete version...No imagine his Complete version. ' Thats why itachi is called invinsible inside it, And The god of valour

he only did a chop to it he didn't use full power susanno not invincible it's almost but not.

 

[YIN YANG]

and another tech

 

[kadowade]

he only did a chop to it he didn't use full power susanno not invincible it's almost but not.

Well he was in lightneing Armor, and Hit Susano'o and barely broke a bone, And he Did Liger Bomb(Which is stated no one ever survived it) And sasuke incomplete Susano'o Sheilded him perfectly, Sasukes May not be invincible yet, But Itachi's was already invinvcible especially since he has the ultimate defense Yata Mirror (Which sasuke dont have). I really dont see any counter to Itachis Susano'o, other than Stalling until he runs out of Chakra, Which he can deactive it at anytime

 

[YIN YANG]

Most of that post was unintelligible and hard to understand but from what I garnered from it I got that you think Jiraiya could break out of Itachi's genjutsu, you said something (I'm not quite sure what) about Naruto and the nine-tails, and you said that Itachi's Susanoo has ways of being countered.

If you really think that Jiraiya would be able to dispel Itachi's genjutsu then you don't belong on this forum let alone any Naruto site. Even if he was able to break out of Itachi's genjutsu (which he isn't) then he would have to know he was in a genjutsu in the first place. (Which he probably wouldn't unless Itachi told him)

Now I didn't understand the point you were trying to make about Naruto and the kyuubi so let's move on to Susanoo. What are these supposed counters? All I know of is waiting until Itachi runs out of chakra. What are they?

stop only people who don't really train for genjutsu can't really tell jairaiya is able to tell if he's in or if somebodies in it. just read some other post''s susanno can also be absorbed.

 

[YIN YANG]

Well he was in lightneing Armor, and Hit Susano'o and barely broke a bone, And he Did Liger Bomb(Which is stated no one ever survived it) And sasuke incomplete Susano'o Sheilded him perfectly, Sasukes May not be invincible yet, But Itachi's was already invinvcible especially since he has the ultimate defense Yata Mirror (Which sasuke dont have). I really dont see any counter to Itachis Susano'o, other than Stalling until he runs out of Chakra, Which he can deactive it at anytime

I wasn't trying to make a point for the raikage beating Itachi susanno but sasuke can get injured.even if it bones breaks a little sasuke gets the pain.

 

[Jokule67]

itachi is massivelly strong. but he is not invincible. i beleive only nagato madara and naruto can beat him. because they are versitile and flexible. sasuke cant cuz he is stationary cuz of susanoo. madara warps everywhere and has sharingan AND rinnegan(he is basically nagato complete i wud say). naruto is fast and has incredible new techniques(weakness genjutsu hts pretty much it) plus tbb rasengan(if he finished it) wud in my opinion obliterate itachi susanoo and have itachi cuoghin 2 death(susanoo hurts the user body remember). also nagato is stronger than itachi.

 

[makinow kitomi]

There are so many insane people on this thread who know almost nothing about genjutsu or Itachi or even Naruto as a whole.

Someone said Jiraiya was a master at countering genjutsu. FALSE, he himself said he was terrible at genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi only takes one second real time, not enough time for anyone to break out of it even if they could. Itachi said that only a blood relative of his with the sharingan could break out of it. He is a genjutsu master so don't you think he knows ways to counter genjutsu? ANSWER - yes he obviously does, anyone who thinks otherwise fights the manga and what is written there.

Hashirama and Madara - We know literally nothing about his fight with Madara or how strong he and Madara were back then. Who cares if Madara had EMS? Itachi was likely more skilled than him in using it because as Itachi has showcased in literally every battle he is extremely talented. Kakashi said that legends of the past are always overstated and I am inclined to believe him. Hashirama didn't fight the fox he suppressed it and it was sealed into his wife, there is a difference. Would you say that Yamato fights the fox? That is what Hashirama does as mokuton is how they are similar.

Since we know nothing about Hashirama and I don't see any counters to Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu then I'm going to believe that Itachi beats him out.



Now on to Itachi. There are haters on this site who hate just to hate, they hate all of the overpowered characters. Itachi and Minato being the favorites to hate on for that group.

Now let's take a look at Itachi's abilities. - Can copy jutsu, track and predict movements, see chakra, has both fire and water affinities, is one of the fastest characters in the entire manga (fast enough to get behind Bee before he could move, and fast enough to dodge Naruto's attacks in Rikudo Mode), incredibly smart, has three OP mangekyo sharingan abilities: Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo each of which is devastating and easily one of the highest caliber jutsu of their types. And he is a normal genjutsu master, being able to counter a genjutsu specialist (kurenai) and put her under a genjutsu.

Now I will admit that there are a few people who can probably beat him but that is because of one of his only faults, he has pretty average chakra levels, and eventually he would go blind. And of those few people that would probably beat him, he is always in the running, you can never discount Itachi from winning a fight.

People that have a chance to beat Itachi:
Minato
Nagato
Madara (current)
Maybe Bee, unlikely but because he can break out of most of his genjutsu then that could turn the tide.
Naruto (only if the fox ever helps him, otherwise Naruto is incredibly weak in genjutsu)
Sasuke (current, only Itachi's eyes could help him beat him, which he wouldn't have)

What most people fail to realize is that only one person in the entire Naruto universe has a counter to Tsukuyomi (Bee has the hachibi and Samehada) and that even that might not be enough as Tsukuyomi only takes one second real time. If genjutsu is used only Bee, or if the fox starts to help him Naruto, can break out of it.

All that u argue is erased because of this quote "Since we know nothing about Hashirama and I don't see any counters to Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu then I'm going to believe that Itachi beats him out.''

What u said in that qute can go both ways. Hashirama has went up aginst the Uchiha clan many time. have herd the phrase "if you fight a shiringan user one - on one run away'

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naruto show signs that it could be broken by his self

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And Jariyha taught him how to do it so it can be done because jariyha was a master at it

Hasahirama could do it or he could not , We know that he battled the BEST UCHIHA for years and DEAFETED THE BEAST

 

[Jokule67]

By hype and feats from manga recently.Even assuming that he doesn't has Shisui's gen,he's still the strongest.

His genjutsu is

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to be immensely powerful eclipsing even Madara by reputation.The genjutsu is impossibly avoidable because it involves eye contact.Adding the fact that if you don't meet his eyes,you'll look at his fingers.
It's incorrect to say that his genjutsu is breakable,since a long-experienced shinobi

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Susano'o >Death Reaper Seal by effectiveness.

I said it once,and I would say it again.Madara indicated that he lost to Hashirama to 'gain access of his abilities'/simply put he wasn't fighting seriously back then.Hashirama tamed Kyuubi with Mokuton.Itachi could've done the same with genjutsu.Itachi>Hashirama by feats.

I also find that Itachi's taijutsu bested all previous hokages'.

u are wrong. madara never said he wasnt serious. he said he really won cuz he was luking 2 the future. he had 2 fight serious all he needed was DNA, a dead hashirama is perfect. he cudnt kill hashirama even with EMS and Ninetails. are u retarded of course he was serious if he brought nine tails!!!!!!!

 

[Nidaimerocks]

How do you know that?, he could have never got it, or when he lost his other sharingan with Izanagi and then replaced it with the Rin'negan, therefore he has just one Sharingan eye, based on Sharingan knowledge he should have lost one of this abilities(Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu) and the Susano'o.

He told the kages that he needs the jyuubi to magnify his doryoku and cast mugen tsukuyomi. He can't cast tsukuyomi if he does not have it. Simple.

 

[YIN YANG]

stop konan is not weak she had a deadly jutsu so what you tried to say about madara doesn't prove him weaker than itachi at all.Haven't you relize he doesn't really care about losin limbs that much he'll just throw them at you when he has the chance.you have no proof of jiraiya not being able ot get oout of itachi genjutsu he is trained just think about even if jairaiya wanted ot fight him would you think he just go in a genjutsu fight not knowing how to counter when the enemy just needs to look at your eyes.even if itachi was a spy he can still kill tobi if he had a chance because that will even make danzo more pleased but can't because tobi has tricks.
what are you saying the naruto with the nine tails now only has the yang chakra that's just half at that time there was the complete nine tails you'll to really work to even try to suppress it.
idk why you guys even think Itachi will win against the 1-4 hokages all you say is ssusanno it's not invincible nearly there are ways of countering it.:flaw:

Most of that post was unintelligible and hard to understand but from what I garnered from it I got that you think Jiraiya could break out of Itachi's genjutsu, you said something (I'm not quite sure what) about Naruto and the nine-tails, and you said that Itachi's Susanoo has ways of being countered.

If you really think that Jiraiya would be able to dispel Itachi's genjutsu then you don't belong on this forum let alone any Naruto site. Even if he was able to break out of Itachi's genjutsu (which he isn't) then he would have to know he was in a genjutsu in the first place. (Which he probably wouldn't unless Itachi told him)

Now I didn't understand the point you were trying to make about Naruto and the kyuubi so let's move on to Susanoo. What are these supposed counters? All I know of is waiting until Itachi runs out of chakra. What are they?

well that post that i put up that you somehow can't understand beats and puts your statements to rest.

 

[kadowade]

itachi is massivelly strong. but he is not invincible. i beleive only nagato madara and naruto can beat him. because they are versitile and flexible. sasuke cant cuz he is stationary cuz of susanoo. madara warps everywhere and has sharingan AND rinnegan(he is basically nagato complete i wud say). naruto is fast and has incredible new techniques(weakness genjutsu hts pretty much it) plus tbb rasengan(if he finished it) wud in my opinion obliterate itachi susanoo and have itachi cuoghin 2 death(susanoo hurts the user body remember). also nagato is stronger than itachi.

But nagato cant kill itachi though, And Itachi wouldnt feel anything if Susano'o gets hit LMAO who toldu that. Thats WHAT ITS MADE FOR-TO PROTECT. If you do your research Yata Mirror Repels ALL Phisical Attacks, And a stationary jutsu is perfect against Taijutsu user and Ninjutsu user

Susano'o DOSENT hurt the user body, im assuming you said that because itachi was coughing up blood, He was coughing up blood becuz of the Mangekyou sharingan's strain on His Sick body. His ill body couldnt take the Strain

 

[makinow kitomi]

Most of that post was unintelligible and hard to understand but from what I garnered from it I got that you think Jiraiya could break out of Itachi's genjutsu, you said something (I'm not quite sure what) about Naruto and the nine-tails, and you said that Itachi's Susanoo has ways of being countered.

If you really think that Jiraiya would be able to dispel Itachi's genjutsu then you don't belong on this forum let alone any Naruto site. Even if he was able to break out of Itachi's genjutsu (which he isn't) then he would have to know he was in a genjutsu in the first place. (Which he probably wouldn't unless Itachi told him)

Now I didn't understand the point you were trying to make about Naruto and the kyuubi so let's move on to Susanoo. What are these supposed counters? All I know of is waiting until Itachi runs out of chakra. What are they?

Genjutsu can be broken by who are Great at Genjutsu realease ergo Pervy Sage

 

[makinow kitomi]

But nagato cant kill itachi though, And Itachi wouldnt feel anything if Susano'o gets hit LMAO who toldu that. Thats WHAT ITS MADE FOR-TO PROTECT. If you do your research Yata Mirror Repels ALL Phisical Attacks, And a stationary jutsu is perfect against Taijutsu user and Ninjutsu user

Susano'o DOSENT hurt the user body, im assuming you said that because itachi was coughing up blood, He was coughing up blood becuz of the Mangekyou sharingan's strain on His Sick body. His ill body couldnt take the Strain

For every blow a Susano'o user take he loosess charkra and stamina

 

[kadowade]

For every blow a Susano'o user take he loosess charkra and stamina

LMAO cmon man seriouslyU_U Explain how is chakra released from itachi's body by someone Hitting it. How does he lose chakra just by it getting touched or Hit?

 

[YIN YANG]

But nagato cant kill itachi though, And Itachi wouldnt feel anything if Susano'o gets hit LMAO who toldu that. Thats WHAT ITS MADE FOR-TO PROTECT. If you do your research Yata Mirror Repels ALL Phisical Attacks, And a stationary jutsu is perfect against Taijutsu user and Ninjutsu user

Susano'o DOSENT hurt the user body, im assuming you said that because itachi was coughing up blood, He was coughing up blood becuz of the Mangekyou sharingan's strain on His Sick body. His ill body couldnt take the Strain

but can you tell me how it can block shinra tenai gravity which can not be deflected because it's not a nature type.Susanno's yata mirror can only block natrue types so do you really think susanno can block shinra tensai.

 

[YIN YANG]

susanno user's really go in to the strain in losing chakra when it is in for extended periods.

 

[kadowade]

but can you tell me how it can block shinra tenai gravity which can not be deflected because it's not a nature type.Susanno's yata mirror can only block natrue types so do you really think susanno can block shinra tensai.

Do you think Gravity alone would destroy a Spiritual being. All mighty push is nothing but Force.