Of course obito fooled itachi. Itachi was an idiot for actually thinking Obito was madara(as was most of the ninja world). I mean he was obviously wearing a mask for a reason. LOL!
Ughh..I just watched that vid to the end this time, I've been hoping against hope for Obito to spring back into action and give Madara a well deserved beating, It's just a story but it Madara still disgusts me.
My Mum died young of cancer of the heart (angiosarcoma) and those pictures of Obito with a hole in his chest..it kinda gave me a nervous adrenaline surge feeling. I'm not sure.. I don't like to see people downtrodden that's all. Obito's made a lot of sacrifices, his eye, his life, can he have some normalcy please? Although I myself have had a lot of bad luck and I keep expecting to win the lottery or something for things to balance out and so far it hasn't happened..pfft!
Life is life, and this manga seems like a very long lesson on why God does not hand out his power to people.
i hope your mom go to pradise bro...but concerning obito he was the 1 who started the shit of killing poeple around..so he started with neji..also he tried to betray madara by being the juubi's jinchuriki..and also threadtned madara by not using rinnetensei on him..but becuz Madara is a boss...a mastervillain...and a sharpthinker...he smirked....he didn't even care when obito become rikudo..so when righ time came he used black zetsu and forced obito to revive him...however however..no matter how much i dislikeed obito...when i remember the nice kid obito it gives me impression that he doesn't dizerve to de in manga..so i hope kishi let him go back to konoha ...as for obito folling itachi...we will see about that in few coming chapters...cuz the 2nd madara was inside obito controlling him...and its second madara who spoke with itachi and made terms with him...whereas obito was being fully controlled..in other words the one who was fooled was obito
Of course obito fooled itachi. Itachi was an idiot for actually thinking Obito was madara(as was most of the ninja world). I mean he was obviously wearing a mask for a reason. LOL!
And it's even sadder to think that someone cannot understand Itachi's character appropriately. And they cannot realize even though it's blatantly obvious that Itachi was lying to Sasuke so that he would have an excuse as to how he knew Tobi, he indirectly told Sasuke how to gain EMS, and informed Sasuke of another threat. The speech was supposed to be bs on purpose. It's even a manga fact that Itachi lived under a facade. He didn't tell a single truth since the moment he left the village and didn't reveal anything until he came back as an Edo.
And as for Itachi believing Obito was Madara. Well, he never met Obito before, how would he know? It's not possible to realize the identity of someone you've never met in person before who is going under an alias from the moment you meet them.
Also, by this logic everyone in the Naruverse is a fool, even moreso Sasuke. Had Kabuto not blackmailed Obito, Sasuke would have continued to be manipulated by Obito (who he thought was Madara) and been synched to the Gedo Mazou, all out of his aimless quest for revenge which has gotten him absolutely nowhere in this manga.
Post one thing negative about their lord and the fanboys come to defend him. Can't blame you though, I'm no different. I understand Itachi's character perfectly. He's my third favorite behind Sasuke and Madara. I actually but effort into seeing what his character is about, that is how I know he was a flawed human being that made several mistakes, as he himself admitted. It wasn't BS. Even after his revival Itachi believed he was Madara. Yet he merely believed he was Madara. Did you see Minato claiming he was Madara? He merely speculated and went under the assumption that it didn't matter who he was, and simply referred to him as the masked man.
Obito failed to manipulate Sasuke regardless of Kabuto. As soon as Sasuke got his shiny new pair of eyes he killed Obito's lackey and walked out. Funny part is, Obito still believed Sasuke was under his control since he said to himself Naruto was but a pawn to stimulate him. Funny part is, it was Itachi's own lies that made Sasuke believe Obito was Madara. He assumed he was dead. Itachi told him he was alive, and the flame coming out of his eye to target "Madara" made Sasuke believe it. Your entire last paragraph is nothing but vengeful butthurt to mar Sasuke to make Itachi look better in comparison. It failed. Again considering the whole revenge that got Sasuke nowhere was once again due to Itachi, not Sasuke.
Post one thing negative about their lord and the fanboys come to defend him. Can't blame you though, I'm no different. I understand Itachi's character perfectly. He's my third favorite behind Sasuke and Madara. I actually but effort into seeing what his character is about, that is how I know he was a flawed human being that made several mistakes, as he himself admitted. It wasn't BS. Even after his revival Itachi believed he was Madara. Yet he merely believed he was Madara. Did you see Minato claiming he was Madara? He merely speculated and went under the assumption that it didn't matter who he was, and simply referred to him as the masked man.
Obito failed to manipulate Sasuke regardless of Kabuto. As soon as Sasuke got his shiny new pair of eyes he killed Obito's lackey and walked out. Funny part is, Obito still believed Sasuke was under his control since he said to himself Naruto was but a pawn to stimulate him. Funny part is, it was Itachi's own lies that made Sasuke believe Obito was Madara. He assumed he was dead. Itachi told him he was alive, and the flame coming out of his eye to target "Madara" made Sasuke believe it. Your entire last paragraph is nothing but vengeful butthurt to mar Sasuke to make Itachi look better in comparison. It failed. Again considering the whole revenge that got Sasuke nowhere was once again due to Itachi, not Sasuke.
You hit the nail on the head. The only reason why Sasuke was even responsive to Obito's lectures was due to Itachi's mind manipulations, and the revenge thing too. He also never considered Obito an ally, and actually used him to get his revenge(on danzo) and a new power up.(EMS) Although the revenge made him feel extremely good and happy when he murdered Danzo.(can't blame him though...XD) I would rep you but I need to spread.
Second Madara? There would be no point in doing that. Madara already has the Juubi, and the almost the last of the only pair of Rinnegan's still in existence. Meaning that if a "Madara" emerges from Obito or someone else, then it would be a blind, old geezer who cannot do a thing other than die. ( That would sure change the outcome of the war, now wouldn't it? )
Also, I will happily be here watching you laughing at your delusions in the future.
Kishi can make anything possible in this mange, he has so often made the impossible possible....
But it's easy to find a number of situations in the manga, linking them together with the timeline, and then "prove" that Tobi had to be Obito.
It's impossible to find anything, that would make him Madara. But then again, Kishi can always change that, which is why neither you or I can predict anything in this manga. A guess is of course always allowed.
Kishi can make anything possible in this mange, he has so often made the impossible possible....
But it's easy to find a number of situations in the manga, linking them together with the timeline, and then "prove" that Tobi had to be Obito.
It's impossible to find anything, that would make him Madara. But then again, Kishi can always change that, which is why neither you or I can predict anything in this manga. A guess is of course always allowed.
Second Madara? There would be no point in doing that. Madara already has the Juubi, and the almost the last of the only pair of Rinnegan's still in existence. Meaning that if a "Madara" emerges from Obito or someone else, then it would be a blind, old geezer who cannot do a thing other than die. ( That would sure change the outcome of the war, now wouldn't it? )
Also, I will happily be here watching you laughing at your delusions in the future.
Post one thing negative about their lord and the fanboys come to defend him. Can't blame you though, I'm no different. I understand Itachi's character perfectly. He's my third favorite behind Sasuke and Madara. I actually but effort into seeing what his character is about, that is how I know he was a flawed human being that made several mistakes, as he himself admitted. It wasn't BS. Even after his revival Itachi believed he was Madara. Yet he merely believed he was Madara. Did you see Minato claiming he was Madara? He merely speculated and went under the assumption that it didn't matter who he was, and simply referred to him as the masked man.
Obito failed to manipulate Sasuke regardless of Kabuto. As soon as Sasuke got his shiny new pair of eyes he killed Obito's lackey and walked out. Funny part is, Obito still believed Sasuke was under his control since he said to himself Naruto was but a pawn to stimulate him. Funny part is, it was Itachi's own lies that made Sasuke believe Obito was Madara. He assumed he was dead. Itachi told him he was alive, and the flame coming out of his eye to target "Madara" made Sasuke believe it. Your entire last paragraph is nothing but vengeful butthurt to mar Sasuke to make Itachi look better in comparison. It failed. Again considering the whole revenge that got Sasuke nowhere was once again due to Itachi, not Sasuke.
-Itachi definitely believed it was Madara. My only real point is that he and the rest of the shinobi in the world obviously did have some doubt. He stated that "Madara" was a shell of his former self...obviously Obito wasn't living up to all the hype he heard about. But he and everyone else just chose to go with it and accept him as Maddy, because he was an Uchiha and he knew alot about the shinobi world. It's not that shameful. He wore a mask and was supposed to be secretive, he had a sharingan, and Obito had close to the same amount Madara had...considering he was actually taught by Madara.
-Itachi is obviously flawed. Every character in this series is, after all they are only human.
-Well, yes it pushed Sasuke into believing that Obito was Madara due to Itachi's words during the fight. However, no one really believed "Madara" was still around until they saw Tobi. That's the same for everyone. But it's not like Sasuke would disregard Obito being "Madara" if Itachi never told him that but instead Obito came up to Sasuke and showed him his MS, then told him a fun little story right off the bat. Obito was planning on getting Sasuke right after the fight, he didn't know that Itachi would tell Sasuke about him and he expected his talk with Sasuke to work...meaning that Itachi's speech honestly does not matter much (Sasuke only acted that way before seeing the Uchiha when he heard Itachi talking about him, of course he was skeptical...Itachi was a psycho in his eyes at the time and had no proof for what he was saying). Sasuke would have believed Obito was Madara just like everyone else upon meeting him, he wouldn't be any different.
-It seems that the type of manipulation you are talking about is different than the kind I'm thinking of. I don't mean manipulation like the way Madara manipulated Obito or the way Obito manipulated Nagato. That's too extreme and Sasuke wouldn't fall for something like that from Obito. I'm just talking about the way that Obito did get the better of his emotions. Sorry that you couldn't comprehend that. Though it was pretty funny to see him take vengeance on Danzo. xD
-As for the revenge part, yeah Sasuke definitely did go after revenge because he had those two negative encounters with Itachi in 7 seven years. I don't see a problem with him wanting to kill Itachi, especially after what went down and with what he knew at the time. But I was thinking of afterward...when he still wanted revenge and wanted to kill every person in Konoha, after he learned the truth and Itachi was dead. And when he admitted that it was wrong and yet still wanted to do it. Obito was building up his anger through various remarks he made, you cannot really deny that regardless of whether Sasuke is your fav or not and you feel the need to defend him. That wasn't directly Itachi's fault at the time, considering he was dead and Obito was the one pushing Sasuke. How would he be able to fix that? Sasuke has a brain and can think on his own, he can make his own decisions, right? Itachi wasn't dragging him and telling him what to do every single little moment in his life. As an Edo, Itachi came back and told Sasuke the truth, and things got better from there, to the point they are at now.
-No, it wasn't butthurt. I just thought it was funny that you stated that Itachi was a fool because he gave a lecture to Sasuke and lived in his own illusion...when the entire speech about taking his eyes was BS, everyone in the shinobi world believed it was Maddy (but yes, Itachi did believe Tobi=Madara), and people only live by what they think is fact, that's just the way life works. Itachi wasn't some god and couldn't magically know that it was actually Obito, someone he's never met before. People in the Naruverse wear masks all the time to hide their identities, some just for the hell of it and it fit because "Madara" was supposed to keep his presence a secret. There are immortals in the Naruto series, take for example Kakazu and Hidan, therefore it makes it more believable that the Uchiha clan elder could find a way to live longer, especially when someone from his own time period, Kakazu, was around. My only point is that it wasn't that foolish and I don't think any character should be called a fool because of that.
-And about Minato, yes he thought Tobi was Madara. He was even the one who brought it up when fighting Obito. Just like everyone else did, but regardless he did feel skeptical. However, then again, everyone felt skeptical. But believed it because they couldn't think of who else it could be.
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And then, he feels skeptical. But still thinks it's Maddy, because he doesn't know who else it could be...but at the same time realizes that whoever he is doesn't matter at the moment, he's destroying the village. :/
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Also, just because sometimes Minato referred to Obito as the "masked man" doesn't mean much. Minato, Itachi, Naruto, the kages, etc have all referred to Obito as the "masked man", "Madara", and "Tobi". No one really just said "Madara", even when they thought he was Madara. They tend to use the terms interchangeably.
It's a canon fact that the only ones who didn't believe Obito was Maddy were Madara himself and Kabuto. That's all.
-And no, nothing in my former post was meant to slander Sasuke. I didn't "fail" at that, considering that's not what I was aiming for. I don't really care for saying things like "Sasuke's better than Itachi' like most Sasuke fans do or "Itachi's better than Sasuke" like some Itachi fans do. I'm sorry that you took it that way. Sasuke and Itachi are both completely different characters with different outlooks on their lives and stand for different things. They have different roles in the story and care for things that differ. Why would I try to compare one to the other and say that one is a fool, or one is smarter, or whatever? It's simply moronic to bash one in a thread or claim one is superior to the other. The only thing one can compare them with and have it be fact is strength (Sasuke>Itachi), anything else is up to opinion.
-Itachi definitely believed it was Madara. My only real point is that he and the rest of the shinobi in the world obviously did have some doubt. He stated that "Madara" was a shell of his former self...obviously Obito wasn't living up to all the hype he heard about. But he and everyone else just chose to go with it and accept him as Maddy, because he was an Uchiha and he knew alot about the shinobi world. It's not that shameful. He wore a mask and was supposed to be secretive, he had a sharingan, and Obito had close to the same amount Madara had...considering he was actually taught by Madara.
-Itachi is obviously flawed. Every character in this series is, after all they are only human.
-Well, yes it pushed Sasuke into believing that Obito was Madara due to Itachi's words during the fight. However, no one really believed "Madara" was still around until they saw Tobi. That's the same for everyone. But it's not like Sasuke would disregard Obito being "Madara" if Itachi never told him that but instead Obito came up to Sasuke and showed him his MS, then told him a fun little story right off the bat. Obito was planning on getting Sasuke right after the fight, he didn't know that Itachi would tell Sasuke about him and he expected his talk with Sasuke to work...meaning that Itachi's speech honestly does not matter much (Sasuke only acted that way before seeing the Uchiha when he heard Itachi talking about him, of course he was skeptical...Itachi was a psycho in his eyes at the time and had no proof for what he was saying). Sasuke would have believed Obito was Madara just like everyone else upon meeting him, he wouldn't be any different.
-It seems that the type of manipulation you are talking about is different than the kind I'm thinking of. I don't mean manipulation like the way Madara manipulated Obito or the way Obito manipulated Nagato. That's too extreme and Sasuke wouldn't fall for something like that from Obito. I'm just talking about the way that Obito did get the better of his emotions. Sorry that you couldn't comprehend that. Though it was pretty funny to see him take vengeance on Danzo. xD
-As for the revenge part, yeah Sasuke definitely did go after revenge because he had those two negative encounters with Itachi in 7 seven years. I don't see a problem with him wanting to kill Itachi, especially after what went down and with what he knew at the time. But I was thinking of afterward...when he still wanted revenge and wanted to kill every person in Konoha, after he learned the truth and Itachi was dead. And when he admitted that it was wrong and yet still wanted to do it. Obito was building up his anger through various remarks he made, you cannot really deny that regardless of whether Sasuke is your fav or not and you feel the need to defend him. That wasn't directly Itachi's fault at the time, considering he was dead and Obito was the one pushing Sasuke. How would he be able to fix that? Sasuke has a brain and can think on his own, he can make his own decisions, right? Itachi wasn't dragging him and telling him what to do every single little moment in his life. As an Edo, Itachi came back and told Sasuke the truth, and things got better from there, to the point they are at now.
-No, it wasn't butthurt. I just thought it was funny that you stated that Itachi was a fool because he gave a lecture to Sasuke and lived in his own illusion...when the entire speech about taking his eyes was BS, everyone in the shinobi world believed it was Maddy (but yes, Itachi did believe Tobi=Madara), and people only live by what they think is fact, that's just the way life works. Itachi wasn't some god and couldn't magically know that it was actually Obito, someone he's never met before. People in the Naruverse wear masks all the time to hide their identities, some just for the hell of it and it fit because "Madara" was supposed to keep his presence a secret. There are immortals in the Naruto series, take for example Kakazu and Hidan, therefore it makes it more believable that the Uchiha clan elder could find a way to live longer, especially when someone from his own time period, Kakazu, was around. My only point is that it wasn't that foolish and I don't think any character should be called a fool because of that.
-And about Minato, yes he thought Tobi was Madara. He was even the one who brought it up when fighting Obito. Just like everyone else did, but regardless he did feel skeptical. However, then again, everyone felt skeptical. But believed it because they couldn't think of who else it could be.
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And then, he feels skeptical. But still thinks it's Maddy, because he doesn't know who else it could be...but at the same time realizes that whoever he is doesn't matter at the moment, he's destroying the village. :/
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Also, just because sometimes Minato referred to Obito as the "masked man" doesn't mean much. Minato, Itachi, Naruto, the kages, etc have all referred to Obito as the "masked man", "Madara", and "Tobi". No one really just said "Madara", even when they thought he was Madara. They tend to use the terms interchangeably.
It's a canon fact that the only ones who didn't believe Obito was Maddy were Madara himself and Kabuto. That's all.
-And no, nothing in my former post was meant to slander Sasuke. I didn't "fail" at that, considering that's not what I was aiming for. I don't really care for saying things like "Sasuke's better than Itachi' like most Sasuke fans do or "Itachi's better than Sasuke" like some Itachi fans do. I'm sorry that you took it that way. Sasuke and Itachi are both completely different characters with different outlooks on their lives and stand for different things. They have different roles in the story and care for things that differ. Why would I try to compare one to the other and say that one is a fool, or one is smarter, or whatever? It's simply moronic to bash one in a thread or claim one is superior to the other. The only thing one can compare them with and have it be fact is strength (Sasuke>Itachi), anything else is up to opinion.
Lol wisdom? Do you even know the meaning of it? For you wisdom is synonym to agreeing with you while stupidity to disagreeing. World doesn't work like that.
haha..you said itachi was fooled by obito..we shall see about dat..we shall see if you are worth those likes and awards...when the 2nd madara(tobi) emerge im gonna yank those awards from you and implant them to my profile sockets
Lol wisdom? Do you even know the meaning of it? For you wisdom is synonym to agreeing with you while stupidity to disagreeing. World doesn't work like that.
I just thought it was funny that you stated that Itachi was a fool because he gave a lecture to Sasuke and lived in his own illusion...when the entire speech about taking his eyes was BS, everyone in the shinobi world believed it was Maddy (but yes, Itachi did believe Tobi=Madara), and people only live by what they think is fact, that's just the way life works. Itachi wasn't some god and couldn't magically know that it was actually Obito, someone he's never met before. People in the Naruverse wear masks all the time to hide their identities, some just for the hell of it and it fit because "Madara" was supposed to keep his presence a secret. There are immortals in the Naruto series, take for example Kakazu and Hidan, therefore it makes it more believable that the Uchiha clan elder could find a way to live longer, especially when someone from his own time period, Kakazu, was around. My only point is that it wasn't that foolish and I don't think any character should be called a fool because of that.
