[Theory] Itachi's encounter with the masked man : Did Obito fool itachi uchiha?

[minamoto]

"Once's truth is another's illusion , We all live inside our fantasies"

i dedicate this vid to the wise martyr badass shinobi : ITACHI UCHIHA!!!!

NOW I GO STRAIGHT TO THE VID !!!

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[HENI]

ok, nice to know.

 

[dragonflamebombs]

yeah i was wondering that to and before i knew obito was wearing swirly as he would call him i was wondering how he would be so tall in such a short time.

 

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[Sauce]

Ok, thanks for sharing.

 

[Element Master]

well obito fooled Minato, Onoki( who know and fought madara)Kakashi, Sasuke, Every one in akatsuki and pretty much every one. I could see why itachi would fall for it because obito was a powerful Uchiha who could control the Kyuubi and he Kinda of looked like madara back then

 

[Kukashi101]

Yes Itachi was fooled. He's not going to know that someone wearing a mask is Obito Uchiha specifically. Just because he was fooled does not mean he was any less wise. It's like asking someone to identify another person behind a brick wall solely on their voice, which you can imagine is impossible if you've never met the person.

 

[Joon]

Have you read the Manga? It is not contradicting. You are just misunderstanding.

Itachi was fooled.

Nagato was used to revive Madara. However, Nagato betrayed Obito. Obito alternate plan was to sync Sasuke with Gedo Mazou. Kabuto later revieved Madara via Edo Tensei eventually Obito take to alternates again.

Obito aliases was Tobi and Madara. He inherited Madara's plan and he eventually revived Madara, but once betrayed, he carried out his on plan.

 

[the last uchiha]

all i know is obito mentioned being scared of itachi more then once, notice how itachi said he wont use his sharingan on obito

 

[Shinato]

There is so much wrong with this video that I can't bare to watch all of it. Everything Itachi told Sasuke about Madara was nothing but lies, Obito even said so himself. Obito is and has never been Madara or a part of him, how much Itachi knew about it is still unknown but we know for certain that neither Obito or Itachi trusted each other at all. Madara accounted for Obito's betrayal, which is why he created Black Zetsu and applied the rods to Obito's body.

 

[Gemeyes]

Have you read the Manga? It is not contradicting. You are just misunderstanding.

Itachi was fooled.

Nagato was used to revive Madara. However, Nagato betrayed Obito. Obito alternate plan was to sync Sasuke with Gedo Mazou. Kabuto later revieved Madara via Edo Tensei eventually Obito take to alternates again.

Obito aliases was Tobi and Madara. He inherited Madara's plan and he eventually revived Madara, but once betrayed, he carried out his on plan.

In the manga, when Kabuto says he's going to revive Madara, Obito's response was "Are you a madman?!" I don't think that Obito ever wanted to revive Madara. Obito is stalked around by Zetsu (Madaras will) so he has no choice to live a life at all, Madara told Obito "You owe me your life" and has set out to force Obito to yeild to him. This is why I care for the Obito character, I hate to see people pushed/forced around like this. :devil:
Also when Madara came back, Obito wanted to launch the Tskuyomi but Madara insisted they "Try out.." the Juubi on the soldiers first, Madara seems to have little respect for human life and he doesn't seem interested in the Tskuyomi plan at all, it will be interesting to see what his true intentions are..

 

[minamoto]

There is so much wrong with this video that I can't bare to watch all of it. Everything Itachi told Sasuke about Madara was nothing but lies, Obito even said so himself. Obito is and has never been Madara or a part of him, how much Itachi knew about it is still unknown but we know for certain that neither Obito or Itachi trusted each other at all. Madara accounted for Obito's betrayal, which is why he created Black Zetsu and applied the rods to Obito's body.

You are just victim of kishimoto's illusion ,while i can see clearly through it

 

[Gemeyes]

Ughh..I just watched that vid to the end this time, I've been hoping against hope for Obito to spring back into action and give Madara a well deserved beating, It's just a story but it Madara still disgusts me.
My Mum died young of cancer of the heart (angiosarcoma) and those pictures of Obito with a hole in his chest..it kinda gave me a nervous adrenaline surge feeling. I'm not sure.. I don't like to see people downtrodden that's all. Obito's made a lot of sacrifices, his eye, his life, can he have some normalcy please? Although I myself have had a lot of bad luck and I keep expecting to win the lottery or something for things to balance out and so far it hasn't happened..pfft!
Life is life, and this manga seems like a very long lesson on why God does not hand out his power to people.

 

[Glazebone]

I think the problem lies in the Moon's Eye Plan itself. What I think happened is the following:

When Madara (the old, grey-haired man) saved Obito's life, he told him who he was and also explained his plan to Obito. However, Madara's plan differed from Obito's. Driven by the loss of his beloved Rin, Obito wanted to create a new world, one without death, without misery and suffering. That was his dream and that was Obito's plan. Madara simply wanted to destroy the current 'flawed' world and create his own world. I bet Obito realized at some point that Madara didn't trust him and that he didn't care about creating a world without pain - he simply wanted to be the God of the world. That is why Obito set about betraying Madara and following hsi own plan.

As to whether or not Itachi was fooled into thinking that Obito=Madara, I think yes. After all everyone who has ever seen Madara was dead at that time (except Obito) so a facial recognition would be impossible. What Itachi told Sasuke at their battle was lies, but those lies had a purpose - to drive Sasuke away from Tobi/Obito/Madara, as itachi knew that once he was dead, he could no longer protect Sasuke. He even programmed Sasuke's mangekyou to Activate upon coming in contact with Obito's sharingan (note that Itachi met Obito and knew about his sharingan). Whether or not he believed Obito to be Madara is irrelevent at this point. The important thing was Itachi knew that the masked man was dangerous. And as to the reference "Luckily he didnt know everything about me.." leads me to believe Itachi didn't know about Obito's unique ability to teleport to the Kamui dimension (although I find that hard to believe as he saw him infiltrate the village on numerous occasions using his ability).

In any case Itachi was fooled into thinking Tobi = Madara, but he knew that he was a dangerous man.

 

[Chie]

I highly doubt that when Obito said "luckily I could keep some secrets hidden...even from him" that he was referring to kamui. 3 members were confirmed to have known about it, including Deidara, Konan, and Nagato. If he used it freely in front of those 3, why not the others? He probably knew about it. It looked like Obito used Izanagi to get rid of that amaterasu activation. He was screaming and in pain, then in another panel we see him completely fine and his clothes aren't damaged.

As for Itachi thinking Tobi was Madara, that's not really his fault here. Everyone in the world was fooled. Though, he did obviously have his suspicions considering that he stated, "But know Madara is just a shell of his former self and not worthy". It looked like Obito wasn't fitting the expectations that Itachi had, considering that Itachi himself did read about Madara. However, in a world where it's possible for immortals to exist, it's not that hard to believe that Madara stuck around. Also, Itachi had no way of knowing that it was Obito...considering that Obito was 9 years older than him. Obito disappeared from Konoha when Itachi was 4, they had never met before the Uchiha massacre. How can you know someone's true identity, when you never met their true self in the first place?

And as for what Itachi said about Obito/Tobi "Madara" being his teacher, that was a lie so that he could tell Sasuke the story behind Madara and the EMS, so that way Sasuke would know what to do after going blind himself and take his eyes. He had to give an explanation as to how he knew Tobi. He also expected Sasuke to get strong enough to defeat Tobi, and become even more of a hero, so Itachi had to give an excuse as to how he was affiliated with him. By telling Sasuke about Tobi, it allowed for Sasuke to go after a new target and for Sasuke to know the secrets behind EMS. The funny thing is that Itachi told nearly not a single truth since the moment he left Konoha...and didn't reveal it until he was an Edo.

 

[Harry Balzac]

"he is alive and well... as are his eyes and their power"

"you are uchiha madara.. everyone who follows Moons eye plan is Madara..."

Was he fooled? Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[Kadmos1]

I think we are forgetting something very important that To be technical, Yahiko (While Tendo Pein is Yahiko, he lacks the consciousness of Yahiko. Add this to the fact that Nagato was using him as a puppet and this might explain which might explain why Pein thought he was Madara.) is the 1 shinobi character that Obito didn't fool from the start. While it's possible that maybe Yahiko later thought he was Madara, I really doubt it because, as ch. 607 shows, Obito's peace ideology isn't what Yahiko adhered to (except, of course, when he became a zombie puppet).

 

[VolatileSoul]

Yup. Played him for the fool. It's fun to think back on his speech to Sasuke about how he was merely trapped in his own deluded world when Sasuke said it was impossible for Madara to be alive. He lectured Sasuke and everyone praised his genius. Then it turns out he was wrong all along, and that speech was just bullshit.

 

[EdoItachi]

Man I think you're giving Itachi a little to0 much credit here.

 

[Chie]

Yup. Played him for the fool. It's fun to think back on his speech to Sasuke about how he was merely trapped in his own deluded world when Sasuke said it was impossible for Madara to be alive. He lectured Sasuke and everyone praised his genius. Then it turns out he was wrong all along, and that speech was just bullshit.

And it's even sadder to think that someone cannot understand Itachi's character appropriately. And they cannot realize even though it's blatantly obvious that Itachi was lying to Sasuke so that he would have an excuse as to how he knew Tobi, he indirectly told Sasuke how to gain EMS, and informed Sasuke of another threat. The speech was supposed to be bs on purpose. It's even a manga fact that Itachi lived under a facade. He didn't tell a single truth since the moment he left the village and didn't reveal anything until he came back as an Edo.

And as for Itachi believing Obito was Madara. Well, he never met Obito before, how would he know? It's not possible to realize the identity of someone you've never met in person before who is going under an alias from the moment you meet them.

Also, by this logic everyone in the Naruverse is a fool, even moreso Sasuke. Had Kabuto not blackmailed Obito, Sasuke would have continued to be manipulated by Obito (who he thought was Madara) and been synched to the Gedo Mazou, all out of his aimless quest for revenge which has gotten him absolutely nowhere in this manga.