The edo tenseis have unlimited chakra, meaning not restricted in number or quantity...It doesn't allow for an unlimited amount of chakra to be used at once, but they do not run out of chakra and they regenerate it almost instantly we know Itachi can make clones, and we know the use of abilities while being an edo was not draining his chakra...
Even if his max his at one moment 4 clones, then He can make those 4 clones with susanno, Then 4 more, and repeat...
We have no idea what Itachi's maximum container of chakra is or isn't... His stamina is low, but as an uchiha, he had a decent amount of chakra from being born with unnatural mental energy
Well the 30% itachi clones was said to be unable to use MS.
Say Itachi makes 2 clones (plus his real body) that would make the clones have about 33.3% of Itachi's max chakra, i'd say this eliminates the thread of Amaterasu/tsukuyomi.
He might be able to use susanoo with them 3 clones but to what level them susanoo would reach is questionable.
Nope... and you mis understood what he was saying. Based off of abilities and such yes Kabuto is stronger (Not factoring Totsuka and yata) but it's not about abilities it's how you use them. Kabuto used 6+ OP Jutsu in that fight.. Itachi used 1 jutsu.. Guess who won the fight?
If Itachi used Totsuka and Yata kabuto would have been 1 paneled
Casually just gloss over my post showing everything Kabuto is capable of then and why he can beat Itachi then....And yeah, Itachi only used 1 big jutsu because he was evading and on the run for most of the fight. It was one of those fights.
Well the 30% itachi clones was said to be unable to use MS.
Say Itachi makes 2 clones (plus his real body) that would make the clones have about 33.3% of Itachi's max chakra, i'd say this eliminates the thread of Amaterasu/tsukuyomi.
He might be able to use susanoo with them 3 clones but to what level them susanoo would reach is questionable.
So you think just activating Mangekyou sharingan takes 30 % of chakra? or that just one ms jutsu takes 30 % chakra? because looking at the amount of them Itachi used in his fight with Sasuke, that doesn't add up at all.. meaning there should be some other reason he said that
Not that it matters
He can do the clones one at a time if that suits you better, each clone has 50% of his chakra, and would be capable of using all his ms abilities.... After each clones, the main Itachi's chakra regenerates, and he uses another
Muu can spamm Jinton in Edo form, yet couldn't activate it anymore when he split his body. It's unlikely for me that Itachi would use Mangekyo techniques with a clone which possesses 50% of his Chakra.
Muu can spamm Jinton in Edo form, yet couldn't activate it anymore when he split his body. It's unlikely for me that Itachi would use Mangekyo techniques with a clone which possesses 50% of his Chakra.
And why can't he? are you seriously arguing that one ms jutsu takes 50% of his chakra? that's downright ridiculous lol , sorry to say... On top of multiple non ms jutsu, while his chakra was already 60% or below , he cast about 2 Amaterasu, Tsukyomi ,Susanno , then a sealed amaterasu + Trascriptio seal... and even then we don't know whether his death was sickness related or Chakra related.. by those numbers, at most a ms jutsu like amaterasu takes up is 10%, So I can't fathom as to why a clone with 50% of the mans chakra can't use ms abilities
Well, because everybody likes to ignore me- lemme repeat.
-Kabuto, Jirobo and Nagato can all change the landscape radically meaning even a susanoo won't be able to work efficiently.
-Zabuza's mist obscures Itachis vision- Yata mirror won't stop that and Hanzos poison isn't even a jutsu so good luck Yata Mirror.
-Kabuto himself can go underground as one of his original Jutsu and drag itachi out of the susanoo, creating the opening for Hanzo's poison/Madara's jutsu/1000s of other jutsu to instantly defeat him.
-Kabuto is a survivor and always stays safe until the moment to strike. He rides on Deidara and avoids all attacks that could possibly hurt him until Itachi's poor stamina wears out. Itachi lasts 5 minutes tops if he brings his asthma pump.
I don't think that the concept is based on how much Chakra one technique costs but how much of Chakra the host contains. If one Jinton used up more thn 50% of Muu's Chakra, he and Oonoki could only use up to one technique.
Itachi, despite of his low stamina and sickness, which put him on a state where he kept himself alive due to medication, used a great amount of Mangekyo techniques and had to endure several drawbacks like when Tsukuyomi was broken or he deleted the Amaterasu flames on Sasuke. Projecting it on your idea, Itachi would be able to create 10 clones with each being able to perform one MS technique like Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, when he used Tsukuyomi, had to endure it being broken, used Susanoo for a comfortable period and created enough flames with Amaterasu to set on fire half of the forest surrounding the Uchiha palace. Again, in a state where he was merely alive due to medication and stopped taking them to reach his limit even faster.
Yet, with 30% and the probable use of medication to last longer, he couldn't even use Tsukuyomi, what implies that already the usage of one MS technique requires a Chakra level above that.
The possibility I see is, that the strong Uchiha chakra decreases the actual drain of his Chakra. Despite of Kakashi having larger Chakra reserves (according to the Databook), his Kamui drains visibly more Chakra.
So you think just activating Mangekyou sharingan takes 30 % of chakra? or that just one ms jutsu takes 30 % chakra? because looking at the amount of them Itachi used in his fight with Sasuke, that doesn't add up at all.. meaning there should be some other reason he said that
Not that it matters
He can do the clones one at a time if that suits you better, each clone has 50% of his chakra, and would be capable of using all his ms abilities.... After each clones, the main Itachi's chakra regenerates, and he uses another
(Note: I'm assuming that with 30% of his chakra, He might of been able to use 1 Ms Jutsu at max, Not saying it would take up all that 30% chakra but it would be enough to put him in Danger, or in this case cancel the clones effects)
I was implying that the Jutsu's (Amaterasu/tsukuyomi) take up to 30% or somewhere close. Lets just say in this case this is right (Give or take a few % if you like)
The battle between him and sasuke started with Genjutsu, nothing chakra taxing, Then he used tsukuyomi, That alone Slumped him down to one Knee, be it Pain or what ever, Say thats the first 30% (give or take) of his chakra gone, he has roughly 70% left
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Shortly after Itachi and sasuke took them battle outside, Itachi using a Katon, ( I doubt it was to chakra taxing judging from Itachi's chakra controll).
After then he used another Katon, Again i doubt was heavy chakra wise, Then he used amaterasu (another 30%) Then he used it again.
Say Three Ms jutsu's (Maybe between 80-90% ) + Genjutsu and 2 Katon (Add on how much you think they cost him chakra wise)
So he has basically use up most his chakra, Going off the whole 30% thing. With itachi looking pretty damn worn out (most likely a mix of both stamina/health problems)
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So he has roughly 10-20% of his total chakra left, Then he used susanoo with this remaining chakra, Which he used to seal Orochimaru, Walk up to sasuke and die. while struggling to maintain his susanoo after the battle with orochimaru.
Obviously i'm just speculating, i'm not saying these are facts or what ever, There is also the possibility he was lying to kakashi about MS at that time.
(Note: I'm assuming that with 30% of his chakra, He might of been able to use 1 Ms Jutsu at max, Not saying it would take up all that 30% chakra but it would be enough to put him in Danger, or in this case cancel the clones effects)
I was implying that the Jutsu's (Amaterasu/tsukuyomi) take up to 30% or somewhere close. Lets just say in this case this is right (Give or take a few % if you like)
The battle between him and sasuke started with Genjutsu, nothing chakra taxing, Then he used tsukuyomi, That alone Slumped him down to one Knee, be it Pain or what ever, Say thats the first 30% (give or take) of his chakra gone, he has roughly 70% left
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Shortly after Itachi and sasuke took them battle outside, Itachi using a Katon, ( I doubt it was to chakra taxing judging from Itachi's chakra controll).
After then he used another Katon, Again i doubt was heavy chakra wise, Then he used amaterasu (another 30%) Then he used it again.
Say Three Ms jutsu's (Maybe between 80-90% ) + Genjutsu and 2 Katon (Add on how much you think they cost him chakra wise)
So he has basically use up most his chakra, Going off the whole 30% thing. With itachi looking pretty damn worn out (most likely a mix of both stamina/health problems)
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So he has roughly 10-20% of his total chakra left, Then he used susanoo with this remaining chakra, Which he used to seal Orochimaru, Walk up to sasuke and die. while struggling to maintain his susanoo after the battle with orochimaru.
Obviously i'm just speculating, i'm not saying these are facts or what ever, There is also the possibility he was lying to kakashi about MS at that time.
You're forgetting the last Amaterasu + transcription seal in the equation.. and him using two crow clones before the start of the match ,one to talk to naruto and one to talk to Sasuke
I just finish reading the chapter with Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto and really noticed that Kabuto was never at an advantage. They started fighting in chapter 580 and by 581 the first piece of izanami was already cast. It was later we found out how Izanami works. That why sasuke and itachi was smiling and only making eye.
P.s. that why sasuke even deactivated his sharingan
You're forgetting the last Amaterasu + transcription seal in the equation.. and him using two crow clones before the start of the match ,one to talk to naruto and one to talk to Sasuke
Making this thread due to people always downplaying Itachi..
Itachi held back Totsuka blade and Yata mirror on top of Amaterasu in that fight. You can't sit here and say Itachi would lose to kabuto simply because kabuto killed him 3 times. Itachi was an EDO so he knew he couldn't die.
For the people that say Itachi died 3 times in that fight so that means Kabuto could kill him. Answer this question for me..
Can Tsunade kill Madara as non edo since she killed him once as edo?
Can Lee kill Madara as non edo since he killed him once as edo?
If your answers are no to the questions above then stop bsing Itachi and admit that he solos Kabuto.
People aren't downplaying Itachi, they are perfectly estimating Itachi. To actually think he'd win is overestimating him. I can, however, see why this would confuse you.
Totsuka wouldn't stab Kabuto and Yata can be bypassed. Amaterasu can be dodge or countered as well. Itachi wasn't trying to get killed because then he'd be vulnerable to Kabuto's fuda while he regenerated.
Itachi also had help from Sasuke and Kabuto didn't use any of his Edo Tenseis.
Stop being a tard and admit that Kabuto solo's Itachi.
So you think just activating Mangekyou sharingan takes 30 % of chakra? or that just one ms jutsu takes 30 % chakra? because looking at the amount of them Itachi used in his fight with Sasuke, that doesn't add up at all.. meaning there should be some other reason he said that
Not that it matters
He can do the clones one at a time if that suits you better, each clone has 50% of his chakra, and would be capable of using all his ms abilities.... After each clones, the main Itachi's chakra regenerates, and he uses another
The 30% Itachi Shouten clone couldn't use MS jutsus, so this is a good gauge. Itachi's MS jutsus in pt.1 were noted as being chakra exhaustive, as well as other MS jutsus like Kamui.
Itachi used 1 Tsukiyomi, 2 Amaterasu, and when he used Susanoo he was running on fumes. Other jutsus he used were 2 C-rank Grand Fireballs, 1 C-rank Crow Clone, and a genjutsu.
