Itachi would have a hard time to put Kakashi or Gai in a genjutsu

[Bogard]

The are some people who actually think that Itachi can put Kakashi or Gai under a genjutsu easily. It's wrong, and here is the proof:

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On this pic you can see Kakashi saying "judge his movements from the movements of his body and feet... you'll be fine if you avoid eye contact"

This statement shows that he learned how to fight a opponent just by noticing the movements of his body and feet, just like Gai. So if they can judge Itachis movements just by looking at his body and feet, Itachi can't put them in a genjutsu, so in order words, they are immune to Itachis genjutsu unless Itachi forces them to make the eye contact like wanted to do here:

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But unfortunately for Itachi, Kakashi managed to outsmart him cuz it was a clone.

But you can notice that before that moment, he was fighting Itachi without problems:

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That's why even before the fight, he said "Well! last time i was unprepared, but i'm not like last time.. This won't go the same way as it did last time":

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And notice that originally it's Gai fighting style, so if Kakashi can fight him without problems, so does Gai.

Furthermore, in Kakashis case, even if Kakashi was looking at Itachis eye, regular genjutsu won't work since he has sharingan. Kakashi explains it

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(only a Sharingan user could counter his genjutsu, and Itachi agrees, but unfortunately for him it was tsukiyomi). Also, i'm not sure about what i'm going to say here, but i think it's even doubtful right now that even tsukiyomi would work since he has MS and it was stated by Itachi himself that a MS user could counter his tsukiyomi

So contrary to Kakashi and Gai have already developped their methods to fight Sharingan users, and they seem to talk a lot after their fights to develop counters for jutsus they have encountered, like for example Gai said they had even developped counters Pain abilities also:

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What do you think?:ice:

 

[Lentz]

i like muffins

 

[Uxellius]

hmm ... seems logic +rep but I need to spread some reps

 

[Negative Knight]

Yes he may have a hard time, but will it change inevitable occurrence of them falling under it ? As for Gai, he's a close range fighter

The same way Kisame's bad match up is against Taijutsu, Guy's Bad match up is genjutsu

 

[Kettei]

Agreed.

 

[Vasto Lordé]

Lol sorry but adding manga pages doesn't make your post less of a failure, too much contradictory to even counter your argument.

 

[Lucidus]

i like this and i agree with u alot of people are over rating itachi's genjutsu a lot... i mean itachi is one of my fav characters but people just think he is god -.- i actually read a thread about someone claaiming he could beat madara and makes minato look like fodder -.- its these people who ruin itachi... anyways back on track

OT... yes itachi would have a hard time putting gai and kakashi in a genjutsu, however not impossible

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

hmm ... seems logic +rep but I need to spread some reps

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[Bogard]

Yes he may have a hard time, but will it change inevitable occurrence of them falling under it ? As for Gai, he's a close range fighter

The same way Kisame's bad match up is against Taijutsu, Guy's Bad match up is genjutsu

Just saying it won't be that easy. Itachi would have to work hard to put them in and it's highly possible that he won't even be able to put them in unless he find some tricks to force them in close combat like i've shown on my pic

 

[Champ]

So you want Kakashi & Guy to stare at Itachi's feet then get lit up by Amaterasu

 

[Bogard]

So you want Kakashi & Guy to stare at Itachi's feet then get lit up by Amaterasu

They don't only look at his feet. Where does that come from? They look at his body and his feet(both of them). And like i've said they can judge his movements from the movements of his body and feet... So they could easily prevent attacks and there is a pic that shows Kakashi able to fight this way without problems

Lol sorry but adding manga pages doesn't make your post less of a failure, too much contradictory to even counter your argument.

I don't really care about biaised opinions

 

[Biju Hunter]

IMO if kakashi or guy trys to fight like that they will probably lose otherwise if they look at itachi's eyes they are lost again.no away they they can win against him. GG

But +Rep nice thread

 

[Lucidus]

IMO if kakashi or guy trys to fight like that they will probably lose otherwise if they look at itachi's eyes they are lost again.not they they can win against him. GG

trys ? they fought him using those tactivs before and its proven effective

 

[Tosen]

Kakashi would Kamui Itachi d'ick of, while Might guy would use his awesome bushy brows and block itachi genjutsu with his eyebrow

 

[Chatte]

And when I tell people that genjutsu can be counteracted, they call me crazy...

 

[Biju Hunter]

trys ? they fought him using those tactivs before and its proven effective

Basicly it is about countering the tsukoyomi, they may can as he said.
But not about winning against him

 

[Champ]

They don't only look at his feet. Where does that come from? They look at his body and his feet(both of them). And like i've said they can judge his movements from the movements of his body and feet... So they could easily prevent attacks and there is a pic that shows Kakashi able to fight this way without problems

I don't really care about biaised opinions

Body, feet they still lookin below his eyes and Prevent attacks I said said Amaterasu no way in hell they can prevent something they can't see. That was a clone in that picture which we know didn't wanna hurt the leaf village, even tho I still believe he will trapped them in an eye illusion since he's done it to ppl stronger than them(Orochimaru,Bee) what about his crow Genjutsu.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi knew he Shouldn't look in his eye , but He felt to Tsukyomi

Its possible but not easy

Not really. In the contrary, Kakashi thought he could counter tsukiyomi and it's the reason why he didn't care to avoid eye contact at that time

Body, feet they still lookin below his eyes and Prevent attacks I said said Amaterasu no way in hell they can prevent something they can't see. That was a clone in that picture which we know didn't wanna hurt the leaf village, even tho I still believe he will trapped them in an eye illusion since he's done it to ppl stronger than them(Orochimaru,Bee) what about his crow Genjutsu.

About the people stronger than them, it's your opinion and you can believe what you want, but all what i can say is that it's not depending on power here, but fighting style. A>B>C doesn't work in this manga. Orochimaru simply underestimated Itachis genjutsu, something that neither Kakashi or Gai would do. Bees case is different. He knows he can fight recklessly against a Sharingan user since he already knows that Hachibi could disturb his chakra

About Amaterasu, to use it generally Itachi needs to concentrate, there are some body movements that doesn't lie and what Kakashi or Gai could notice not even to mention the blood that comes before Amaterasu. Anyway the topic is about genjutsu, not Amaterasu

 

[Champ]

Not really. In the contrary, Kakashi thought he could counter tsukiyomi and it's the reason why he didn't care to avoid eye contact at that time
About the people stronger than them, it's your opinion and you can believe what you want, but all what i can say is that it's not depending on power here, but fighting style. A>B>C doesn't work in this manga. Orochimaru simply underestimated Itachis genjutsu, something that neither Kakashi or Gai would do. Bees case is different. He knows he can fight recklessly against a Sharingan user since he already knows that Hachibi could disturb his chakra

About Amaterasu, to use it generally Itachi needs to concentrate, there are some body movements that doesn't lie and what Kakashi or Gai could notice not even to mention the blood that comes before Amaterasu. Anyway the topic is about genjutsu, not Amaterasu

Everyone knows there stronger than them two, Itachi lit Nagato up with Amaterasu in no time. Itachi was just betta than bee like he is against these two, he appeared behind bee multiple times without his knowledge and since he faster than Kakashi the same thing will happen. Crow Genjutsu how do they avoid it?

 

[Blaze Release]

Every opponent that he has faced genjutsu has been applied one way or another and this doesnt exclude the totsuka sword which leaves the opponent in a genjutsu state.

As for the thread, its fails. Gai counter is for sharingan genjutsu only. Any genjutsu that is seal based or sound based makes a mockery of this strategy and who wants me to upload a manga chaper or a db quote which states that itachi's genjutsu ability isnt limited to the sharingan.

Kakashi hasnt mastered this strategy btw. Fighting a clone who cannot even use ms technique's whether because of the chakra poured into it isnt enough or whatever reason doesnt mean kakashi can now do what gai has achieved after years