Itachi was evil

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

you have to make difference between making a choice to do something evil (itachi) and not being able to control your actions (gaara)

people that are not in their "right state of mind" (insane) don't just snap out of it all of a sudden..

he was hurting but he knew what he was doing.. it wasn't until naruto's talk no jutsu showed him real friendship that he had a change of heart..

and you never mentioned gaara till someone else did so don't try to captain save a hoe another member agreeing with you that i proved wrong xd

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

Itachi fans are always talking about how witness war at the age of 4 left a permanent effects on his mind which if anything is all the more reason to he shouldn't have been a ninja. What no checks for mental disorders at the academy? An emotional healthy person wouldn't murder innocents based on something their ring leaders might do. A emotional healthy person doesn't kill his mother whom he cares deeply about. When capturing killers a logical person would take them in alive. An emotional wreck would take the law into his own hands. Not sure where where this inevitable thing is coming seeing Sasuke was the only clueless non evil one is just an assumption.

first off i'm not an itachi fan.. so when you respond with MY quotes, make sure to check what you try to say if you're gonna speak in generalities and make sure you respond only to what i said..

manga says itachi was scarred over the war and became a pacifist..

def of pacifism: the opposition to war and violence, even to the point of allowing self harm rather than a resort to violent resistance.

he became a person that would rather make decisions that would harm himself than to have yet another war start.. so that inevitable situation that MADE him do this....

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just in case you and op forgot.. he was forced into this situation where the only good thing coming out of the one of two choices he was given would be his brother being spared..

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

If he had former military training and was like a pow I could agree with you. But he basically told a pure 7 year old it's ok to kill your best friend in cold blood in power. When Sasuke was starting to build his life back Itachi made sure that wouldn't happen. Either he can see the future or was lucky as hell that only Genins/Chunins were sent to pursue him. He could've been locked away forever especially if he killed Naruto.

this^ makes absolutely no sense, especially to the part that you're responding about :sy:

you forget that each village trains children at a young age how to kill.. and since when was sasuke trying to rebuild his life?? ever since he was introduced, we've known him to only have one goal in mind; gain power to kill his brother.. itachi never came back just to mind f*ck sasuke for no reason..

manga chp: 401 explains that he went back to the village after hiruzen died to warn danzo & the elders that he was still alive, since it was the 3rd that promised he would protect sasuke.. all he did was basically blackmail them so that they wouldn't harm his brother.. and if you wanna say tobi "the liar" said this then go to chp: 590 where itachi confirms it..

 

[Vault 13]

so mass genocide is ok, as long as you're doing it for the government?

Yes. Konoha isn't as bright and cheery as it try's to look.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

Putting a hit on some powerful jounins sure wasn't for the village. Trying to kill Naruto wasn't for the village. Recruiting Deidara did more harm them good. Kabuto provided more information on the akatsuki than Itachi ever did.

who exactly did he put a hit out on??

when did he ever try to kill naruto??

deidara was already a "gun for hire" and if not him then it would just be someone else.. when you work as a double agent, you have to go along and do certain things to not blow your cover..

and kabuto worked for oro, who didn't get along with akatsuki after itachi owned him, not the leaf.. itachi no longer worked for the leaf and was branded a traitor since he left so who exactly is he going to give the info to when the whole village wants to kill him??

try to think about what you say before you post :|

 

[zalman]

as i see it, mass genocide to save 1 person is evil. even if it saved more life by preventing civil war it was still evil.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

as i see it, mass genocide to save 1 person is evil. even if it saved more life by preventing civil war it was still evil.

typical child/immature statement if you really only see the world as either black or white U_U

 

[zalman]

i dont, and i have explained above why. im talking from how the manga depicts the character itachi, and in my opinion it depicts him as evil.

we have different opinions, you dont have to attack me personally and inderectly saying im ignorant by saying i only see the world in back n white. i only see naruto in scales of grey.

 

[Redd]

first off i'm not an itachi fan.. so when you respond with MY quotes, make sure to check what you try to say if you're gonna speak in generalities and make sure you respond only to what i said..

My fault than. I should've made that more clear because I meant in general.

manga says itachi was scarred over the war and became a pacifist..

def of pacifism: the opposition to war and violence, even to the point of allowing self harm rather than a resort to violent resistance.

he became a person that would rather make decisions that would harm himself than to have yet another war start.. so that inevitable situation that MADE him do this....

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just in case you and op forgot.. he was forced into this situation where the only good thing coming out of the one of two choices he was given would be his brother being spared..

All I get from this was Danzo was very paranoid and was just as wrong. In the manga Kisame sees Itachi as "ruthless", the same guy who enjoys riping off little kids limbs for fun. If I as a pacifist than I would've just brainwashed Danzo, stop the ring leaders and expose the threats in the light. Than I would take over my clan to show them how the pull a Martin Luthor King and get political power the right way. Again assuming this wasn't what they already had in mind.

 

[Redd]

this^ makes absolutely no sense, especially to the part that you're responding about :sy:

you forget that each village trains children at a young age how to kill.. and since when was sasuke trying to rebuild his life?? ever since he was introduced, we've known him to only have one goal in mind; gain power to kill his brother.. itachi never came back just to mind f*ck sasuke for no reason..

manga chp: 401 explains that he went back to the village after hiruzen died to warn danzo & the elders that he was still alive, since it was the 3rd that promised he would protect sasuke.. all he did was basically blackmail them so that they wouldn't harm his brother.. and if you wanna say tobi "the liar" said this then go to chp: 590 where itachi confirms it..

Yeh kill only when necessary. Are you saying Sasuke never once showed concern let alone put his life on the line for his comrades. I find it funny how Itachi didn't just let Sasuke kill him right than and there. This was Sasuke's greatest chance for redemption. Sure Kisame was standing right but he could've told him to one shot him before letting Sasuke do his thing. or at least give him orders or something. Instead he chose the inhumane apporach.

 

[Redd]

who exactly did he put a hit out on??

He told Kisame to kill Kakashi and the jounins.

when did he ever try to kill naruto??

Well it was more of Kisame when they tried to capture Naruto and I think killing was an order. Reguardless he was just going stand by and watch as Naruto was getting his limbs torn off.

deidara was already a "gun for hire" and if not him then it would just be someone else.. when you work as a double agent, you have to go along and do certain things to not blow your cover..

True but only ended up with more harm than good.

and kabuto worked for oro, who didn't get along with akatsuki after itachi owned him, not the leaf.. itachi no longer worked for the leaf and was branded a traitor since he left so who exactly is he going to give the info to when the whole village wants to kill him??

I thought he was a double agent.

try to think about what you say before you post :|

:sy:

 

[Nigete]

Of course. Itachi admitted he was wrong. He only meant good and wanted Sasuke to avenge his clan. Little did he know what he would become.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

i dont, and i have explained above why. im talking from how the manga depicts the character itachi, and in my opinion it depicts him as evil.

we have different opinions, you dont have to attack me personally and inderectly saying im ignorant by saying i only see the world in back n white. i only see naruto in scales of grey.

if you really did see the grey in that world then you would understand why things happened the way they did and i wouldn't have to keep repeating myself with you over n over..

but like you said yourself, you "get it" but you just won't accept it.. that's ignorance to it just cuz you personally don't like how things played out..

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

All I get from this was Danzo was very paranoid and was just as wrong. In the manga Kisame sees Itachi as "ruthless", the same guy who enjoys riping off little kids limbs for fun. If I as a pacifist than I would've just brainwashed Danzo, stop the ring leaders and expose the threats in the light. Than I would take over my clan to show them how the pull a Martin Luthor King and get political power the right way. Again assuming this wasn't what they already had in mind.

yeah he was afraid.. i think it was him the one that said that the uchiha were gonna be tough to fight off.. but check this out though.. seems they did try to get danzo but somehow failed.....

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and kisame did have respect for him.. they both killed their fellow nins.. and you don't simply join akatsuki for being a "nice" guy, well except tobi

and i'm sure he wish things could have been done differently but that's where story plot comes into play.. now you're just throwing your opinion about how you think it should have happened according to you, not to what the story really is..

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

Yeh kill only when necessary. Are you saying Sasuke never once showed concern let alone put his life on the line for his comrades. I find it funny how Itachi didn't just let Sasuke kill him right than and there. This was Sasuke's greatest chance for redemption. Sure Kisame was standing right but he could've told him to one shot him before letting Sasuke do his thing. or at least give him orders or something. Instead he chose the inhumane apporach.

of course he showed concern.. but did that change what he really wanted in his heart?? even in taka vs bee, he showed concern but that didn't mean that he was building his life to something that didn't focus on power and revenge.. sasuke has been the same up until now..

i, including the whole narutoverse would have found it even more funny if itachi would have allowed sasuke to kill him that time.. c'mon now a kid kill itachi?? i do agree that would have been the best time for him cuz he was still part of the village but there was absolutely no chance in hell to make that one look legit.. and i'm sure kisame would have gone nuts since itachi was his man crush lol.. sorry bud but these things you're asking for wouldn't make any sense at all to the story..

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

He told Kisame to kill Kakashi and the jounins.

actually he told him not to fight them and that he would take care of it...

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and we all know he could have killed all three if he wanted..

Well it was more of Kisame when they tried to capture Naruto and I think killing was an order. Reguardless he was just going stand by and watch as Naruto was getting his limbs torn off.

True but only ended up with more harm than good.

I thought he was a double agent.

how can you really say that capturing naruto was a killing order?? if that was the case then he for sure would have lost to pain in their fight!! all tb hosts were to be captured alive so that the beast could be extracted.. you SHOULD know this by now -____-

try to remember that deidara wanted to fight, so instead of fighting, itachi proposed a one on one and beat him with genjutsu without a fight actually happening.. he was part of a group that he was secretly watching over so he still had to do things to look legit.. you really think D.E.A. agents nowadays don't try a bit of the drugs during stings??

and he was a double agent before he left, after though, all he was doing was keeping an eye on the group itself which was only collecting tb hosts at the time.. you say kabuto gave more intel than itachi?? well what i'm saying is that itachi is a wanted criminal in the leaf so why/who would he go back to give intel to the village that wants him dead??

 

[zalman]

so you can honestly tell me that killing pregnant women, infants, children and old people is ok if it is to save a single person? killing in itself is evil so how can it not be evil to commit mass genocide````??

 

[Redd]

yeah he was afraid.. i think it was him the one that said that the uchiha were gonna be tough to fight off.. but check this out though.. seems they did try to get danzo but somehow failed.....

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Ok all the more reason to come up with a way to stop Danzo. Tell the 3rd or something. Even if he couldn't it's not like all other options were thrown out the window.

and kisame did have respect for him.. they both killed their fellow nins.. and you don't simply join akatsuki for being a "nice" guy, well except tobi

He needs to make up his mind than. He can't get that type of title and respect just by being a pacifist.

and i'm sure he wish things could have been done differently but that's where story plot comes into play.. now you're just throwing your opinion about how you think it should have happened according to you, not to what the story really is..

yeh plus he has his ideals and I have mine.

 

[Redd]

of course he showed concern.. but did that change what he really wanted in his heart?? even in taka vs bee, he showed concern but that didn't mean that he was building his life to something that didn't focus on power and revenge.. sasuke has been the same up until now..

According to Itachi, Sasuke is still a blank canvas. He could've been a better role model by teaching him to be more like Naruto and told Sasuke why he had to do what he had to do.

i, including the whole narutoverse would have found it even more funny if itachi would have allowed sasuke to kill him that time.. c'mon now a kid kill itachi?? i do agree that would have been the best time for him cuz he was still part of the village but there was absolutely no chance in hell to make that one look legit.. and i'm sure kisame would have gone nuts since itachi was his man crush lol.. sorry bud but these things you're asking for wouldn't make any sense at all to the story..

I thought he was sick. When the run an autopsy on his body it would've have been so funny. For Kisame he could've gen'd him, or let J-man deal with him since he has some kind of way to see the future.

 

[Redd]

actually he told him not to fight them and that he would take care of it...

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and we all know he could have killed all three if he wanted..'

No need to tell him to do all this.

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But he did anyway.

how can you really say that capturing naruto was a killing order?? if that was the case then he for sure would have lost to pain in their fight!! all tb hosts were to be captured alive so that the beast could be extracted.. you SHOULD know this by now -____-

Plot hole than

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Itachi wasn't about to pull an ohhh my tommy hurts.

try to remember that deidara wanted to fight, so instead of fighting, itachi proposed a one on one and beat him with genjutsu without a fight actually happening.. he was part of a group that he was secretly watching over so he still had to do things to look legit.. you really think D.E.A. agents nowadays don't try a bit of the drugs during stings??

and he was a double agent before he left, after though, all he was doing was keeping an eye on the group itself which was only collecting tb hosts at the time.. you say kabuto gave more intel than itachi?? well what i'm saying is that itachi is a wanted criminal in the leaf so why/who would he go back to give intel to the village that wants him dead??

Not following how he could be a double agent without anyone to report to but he definitely could've done more to sabotage the Akatsuki. Even the little stuff counts. Fight the 4 tails himself and take as long as possible. He was sick afterall. The little stuff you know.