Itachi was evil

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

ok i do not agree,

"definition of evil: motives of causing pain or suffering for selfish or malicious intentions; and acts of unnecessary or indiscriminate violence.."

killing infants and pregnant women to save your brother i would call unnecessary or indiscriminate violence.."

you're only looking at his "faults" without even trying to understand WHY he did it..

danzo and elders gave him no choice, or time to come up with another way to stop the coup.. if he allowed it happen, civil war occurs where both sides suffer losses, which allows other villages to come in and kill even more people..

or....

stop the coup by betraying and killing his whole clan, which ensured both peace to the village, and the sparing of his brother's life.. he didn't do any of that over selfish gains or just because he wanted to..

he was thrown into a situation where he had to weigh the consequences of the choices that HE WAS GIVEN and chose the one that would keep more people from dying.. yes it was horrible what he did, but you can't judge or call him "evil" when none of what he did was for his own gain..

presidents, leaders, they are the ones that understand situations like this where you have to make the hard choices when it comes to peoples' lives.. sometimes there is no third option and you have to make the choice where less damage will be done..

 

[TheRealAkatsukiLeader]

First of all, i dont hate Itachi i just dislike him like i dislike every evil character.

only a evil character would torture 7 year old and other people for no reason. if he was truly good he would have cared about more than 1 person. He could have just fled the village with sasuke. He could have told susske the truth. what was the point of sasuke getting strong if he was only going to use it for bad things. I would definitely have stopped loving my brother if he did as evil things as sasuke.

Itachi was just stupid and manipulated by danzu. Honestly i dont get why people like itachi, he is not cool in any way. Why didn't he assain as many akatsuki members as possible and died with them after sending a letter top sasuke with the truth? then sasuke would have been good boy. He could also have convinced sasuke to fight tobi with him, together they would defeat him and any other evil charater and saved the ninja world.

itachi fans are stupid, sorry but true, true

Your not very smart on your Naruto. Danzo told Itachi either Itachi killed his clan, or he'd hire someone else and Itachi would die along with his clan plus Sasuke. Itachi wanted to make Sasuke strong, he wanted to make Sasuke hate him so he tortured him as a boy to make Sasuke hate him so he'd grow up kill Itachi and become hero of Konoha. And your an idiot, if Itachi fled with Sasuke they'd be hunted down by Danzo, Root and all of Konoha with a bounty bigger than any Akatsuki member. Why didn't he assassinate any Akatsuki members? Lol, he'd be owned, and he knew it; they'd all gang up on him. A letter to Sasuke? LOL Sasuke wouldn't of believed it. Learn your Naruto.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

itachi was either an imbecile or evil.
the bad things he has done far outweigh the good.

good - prevented a civil war, was a relatively good brother, cried when he killed his parents, told tobi not to attack konoha, sealed edo nagato, stopped edo tensei, finally showed sasuke the truth

bad - failed to do research into edo tensei and allowed madara to roam free, planned to brainwash and enslave sasuke into being a loyal senju dog, commited mass genocide no matter how you slice it, never even tried to save his parents lives or the lives of the younger clan members, allowed tobi to attack other villages like the mist and the villages the jins are from, helped akatsuki hunt down and destroy jinchurikis, tortured mindraped belittled and beat sasuke to near death twice, mind****ed and mindraped him 3 times, encouraged him to slaughter an innocent child just for the sake of gaining the MS, almost sent naruto to his death by encouraging him to go after sasuke. even if koto amatsukami worked, tobi and pain wouldnt let that stand.
his plan made no sense regarding sasuke. if sasuke returned and tobi met his demise, either danzo or pain would finish sasuke off.
almost got team gai killed by warning pain that gai is powerful, prompting him to send kisame to kill them all.
constantly got in the heroes way and brutally tortured kakashi for no reason.
ordered the attempted murder of asuma kurenai and kakashi at the hands of kisame had it not been for gai.
had it not been for jiraiya, kisame would have cut narutos legs off and itachi was going to stand there and let him.
for 7 years itachi never once told anyone the truth even if it will benefit konohas protection (passing akatsuki intel to jiraiya and subsequently konoha, telling everyone uchihas had nothing to do with kyuubi).
never once tried to kill his partners. so even kakakuzu was bringing akatsuki down more than itachi was.
humiliated and mind****ed deidara just so he would join akatsuki. strengthening the organisation that WANTS HIS VILLAGE DESTROYED.
threatened danzo with high treason, sayign he will tell hostile nations everything he knows if danzo hurts sasuke.
also when itachi wanted to cast koto on sasuke, the order was protect konoha. not protect all innocent people or protect 5 nations. thats how selfish itachi is. he claims to want to stop world wars and crap and help his nation but hes really ONLY helping his nation and not even in a very effective way.

itachi didn't hear god's voive to kill his clan.. he was given a choice.. have him, his brother, and his clan all killed...or help murder his clan so that his little brother's life would be spared..

itachi heard a devil's voice and thuoght that was his only two options. they werent.

I mean he didn't take joy out of all the harsh things he did or anything.

just because you dont liek causing pain doesnt mena you didnt still mindrape a 7 year old

and the only reason he tortured his brother was so that he could make it his goal to become strong and kill itachi, thus in a way restoring the clans' honor or whatever

so that makes it ok to force a child to watch their parents being murdered?

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

definition of evil: motives of causing pain or suffering for selfish or malicious intentions; and acts of unnecessary or indiscriminate violence..

nothing he did was for himself or his own gain.. it was for his brother and for the village

lol just because you want to do despicable things for someone doesnt mean they want you to do them or that it actually benefits them. itachi did alot of malicious things and committed alot of acts of unnecessary violence and selfish acts. especially during his time in akatsuki
and besides if you accept itachi as good, then accept danzo as also good. nothign danzo did was, he believed, selfish.

Danzo told Itachi either Itachi killed his clan, or he'd hire someone else and Itachi would die along with his clan plus Sasuke

that doesnt mena itachi will actually die. if the clan played it smart they could come out on top without hurting anyone. just take danzo down first.

danzo and elders gave him no choice, or time to come up with another way to stop the coup.. if he allowed it happen, civil war occurs where both sides suffer losses,

how do you know it will occur beyond all doubt? THEY HAVE KOTO AMATSUKAMI and a shit load of other hax powers. and they need not attack anyone,. just blackmail hiruzen into giving up power and kill danzo so he cant order their massacre.

Why didn't he assassinate any Akatsuki members? Lol, he'd be owned, and he knew it; they'd all gang up on him.

so everyone owned kakuzu whenever he flipped out and killed his partners? OH WAIT

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

itachi was either an imbecile or evil.
the bad things he has done far outweigh the good.

good - prevented a civil war, was a relatively good brother, cried when he killed his parents, told tobi not to attack konoha, sealed edo nagato, stopped edo tensei, finally showed sasuke the truth

bad - failed to do research into edo tensei and allowed madara to roam free, planned to brainwash and enslave sasuke into being a loyal senju dog, commited mass genocide no matter how you slice it, never even tried to save his parents lives or the lives of the younger clan members, allowed tobi to attack other villages like the mist and the villages the jins are from, helped akatsuki hunt down and destroy jinchurikis, tortured mindraped belittled and beat sasuke to near death twice, mind****ed and mindraped him 3 times, encouraged him to slaughter an innocent child just for the sake of gaining the MS, almost sent naruto to his death by encouraging him to go after sasuke. even if koto amatsukami worked, tobi and pain wouldnt let that stand.
his plan made no sense regarding sasuke. if sasuke returned and tobi met his demise, either danzo or pain would finish sasuke off.
almost got team gai killed by warning pain that gai is powerful, prompting him to send kisame to kill them all.
constantly got in the heroes way and brutally tortured kakashi for no reason.
ordered the attempted murder of asuma kurenai and kakashi at the hands of kisame had it not been for gai.
had it not been for jiraiya, kisame would have cut narutos legs off and itachi was going to stand there and let him.
for 7 years itachi never once told anyone the truth even if it will benefit konohas protection (passing akatsuki intel to jiraiya and subsequently konoha, telling everyone uchihas had nothing to do with kyuubi).
never once tried to kill his partners. so even kakakuzu was bringing akatsuki down more than itachi was.
humiliated and mind****ed deidara just so he would join akatsuki. strengthening the organisation that WANTS HIS VILLAGE DESTROYED.
threatened danzo with high treason, sayign he will tell hostile nations everything he knows if danzo hurts sasuke.
also when itachi wanted to cast koto on sasuke, the order was protect konoha. not protect all innocent people or protect 5 nations. thats how selfish itachi is. he claims to want to stop world wars and crap and help his nation but hes really ONLY helping his nation and not even in a very effective way.
itachi heard a devil's voice and thuoght that was his only two options. they werent.
just because you dont liek causing pain doesnt mena you didnt still mindrape a 7 year old

so that makes it ok to force a child to watch their parents being murdered?

all this coming from the #1 fan of a guy that killed just cuz.....

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and don't even try to come back saying he's good now because i'll just say the same about a whole bunch of other nins U_U

 

[Redd]

i never called itachi a "good guy" did i :sy:

I think your replying to the wrong person. I never said you did.[/quote]

they weren't hard decisions?? :flaw: "die with all your clan OR, kill them all and the one person you love most can live" how is that not a hard choice?? and you're right that maybe there could have been a way but danzo and the elders gave him no time for that did they..[/qoute]OR tell the clan the leaf knows about their surprise and stop them cold in their tracks OR brainwash Danzo since that's apparently his favorite way to show off his arrogance AND bring in Danzo and the peaceful non evil Fugaku to Ibiki and let the Justice system do it' thing. :flaw:

Oh and snitch on his accomplice Tobi while he's at it.

was it f*cked up the life he made his brother live just so he can become strong and avenge his clan? yes, but did he do it just to be a ****? no..

lol his methods were way outta line.

definition of evil: motives of causing pain or suffering for selfish or malicious intentions; and acts of unnecessary or indiscriminate violence..

Not evil but he clearly wasn't in the correct state of mind to be a ninja.

nothing he did was for himself or his own gain.. it was for his brother and for the village :scorps:

Actually doing things that "he" thought was right only makes me lose respect for him. I think stealing Sasuke's freewill and making him into a loyal dog is a tad more than selfish.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

I think your replying to the wrong person. I never said you did.

they weren't hard decisions?? :flaw: "die with all your clan OR, kill them all and the one person you love most can live" how is that not a hard choice?? and you're right that maybe there could have been a way but danzo and the elders gave him no time for that did they..[/qoute]OR tell the clan the leaf knows about their surprise and stop them cold in their tracks OR brainwash Danzo since that's apparently his favorite way to show off his arrogance AND bring in Danzo and the peaceful non evil Fugaku to Ibiki and let the Justice system do it' thing. :flaw:

Oh and snitch on his accomplice Tobi while he's at it.

lol his methods were way outta line.


Not evil but he clearly wasn't in the correct state of mind to be a ninja.

Actually doing things that "he" thought was right only makes me lose respect for him. I think stealing Sasuke's freewill and making him into a loyal dog is a tad more than selfish.

not sure why you're responding to me about something that some one else said...?

not in the right state of mind? he did the most logical thing anyone in the right state of mind would do.. instead of backing his clan which would inevitably lead to war and the deaths of many more people, he chose to sacrifice ONLY his clan while saving his brother as well..

and he made a gamble and pretty much half failed.. when something traumatic happens to a person, two things come of it.. they either become super sheltered and afraid of anything, or they become stronger.. he wanted his brother to become strong enough to overcome that tragedy, kill him, and become a hero. that's not what happened though but he did become one of the strongest nins out there now..

this whole thing is about knowing the diff between an "evil" person and "bad", hard choices.. if he did anything for power or riches, or just because, then yes you can call that "evil" (malicious acts with selfish intent).. but everything he did was for the village and his brother/ thread

 

[bl4ckJack]

I dunno abut others ( nd i dnt care ) ... I think ... Itachi and Nagato were right in their point of view ... as well as ... if U wonder Sasuke is :ice:

 

[zalman]

dont care about what i wrote yesterday, i was on medication and dont remember half of it.

again, i do understand why he did it, and from his views he had no choice, but there is a difference between understanding and accepting. I can understand why he did it, but i do not accept it or see it as a "good deed" just cause of that.

i understand that he did everything for his brother, kishi was trying to describe the limitless love between siblings, love can maybe you very selfish, i would probably kill a whole clan of people to save my child if i had one, but it would still be so evil i would not stop hating myself for it, and yes i would call myself evil after allowing myself to do something that horrible.

i dont think gara was evil in the same sense since he was clearly mentally unstable and sick, he could not rationalize against killing. Itachi was at his best mental health.

 

[zalman]

so in other words, i understand why he did what he did but i dont accept it.

thats the important difference in this world, we should really try to understand why 9/11 happens and try to understand those who did it, by no means does that mean we should accept it.

 

[Legendary Sannin]

Wasn't Uchiha plotting against Konoha? In the end it was the right thing to do.... there'd be even more dead people.

 

[zalman]

Wasn't Uchiha plotting against Konoha? In the end it was the right thing to do.... there'd be even more dead people.

thats an argument often used to defend evil, the atoms bombs on japan was necessary because otherwise the war would have countiuned and even more people would have died. but there are so many wrong things with an argument like that.

 

[zalman]

you have to make difference between making a choice to do something evil (itachi) and not being able to control your actions (gaara)

 

[Redd]

not in the right state of mind? he did the most logical thing anyone in the right state of mind would do.. instead of backing his clan which would inevitably lead to war and the deaths of many more people, he chose to sacrifice ONLY his clan while saving his brother as well..

Itachi fans are always talking about how witness war at the age of 4 left a permanent effects on his mind which if anything is all the more reason to he shouldn't have been a ninja. What no checks for mental disorders at the academy? An emotional healthy person wouldn't murder innocents based on something their ring leaders might do. A emotional healthy person doesn't kill his mother whom he cares deeply about. When capturing killers a logical person would take them in alive. An emotional wreck would take the law into his own hands. Not sure where where this inevitable thing is coming seeing Sasuke was the only clueless non evil one is just an assumption.

and he made a gamble and pretty much half failed.. when something traumatic happens to a person, two things come of it.. they either become super sheltered and afraid of anything, or they become stronger.. he wanted his brother to become strong enough to overcome that tragedy, kill him, and become a hero. that's not what happened though but he did become one of the strongest nins out there now..

If he had former military training and was like a pow I could agree with you. But he basically told a pure 7 year old it's ok to kill your best friend in cold blood in power. When Sasuke was starting to build his life back Itachi made sure that wouldn't happen. Either he can see the future or was lucky as hell that only Genins/Chunins were sent to pursue him. He could've been locked away forever especially if he killed Naruto.

this whole thing is about knowing the diff between an "evil" person and "bad", hard choices.. if he did anything for power or riches, or just because, then yes you can call that "evil" (malicious acts with selfish intent).. but everything he did was for the village and his brother/ thread

Putting a hit on some powerful jounins sure wasn't for the village. Trying to kill Naruto wasn't for the village. Recruiting Deidara did more harm them good. Kabuto provided more information on the akatsuki than Itachi ever did.

 

[Vault 13]

The Uchiha where planning to overthrow the leaf village. His family was full of traitors, and even though he loved them he wasn't going to let them do so. He did what he thought was right is all.

 

[Tartarus]

The Uchiha where planning to overthrow the leaf village. His family was full of traitors, and even though he loved them he wasn't going to let them do so. He did what he thought was right is all.

so mass genocide is ok, as long as you're doing it for the government?

 

[iMicLykTyson]

so mass genocide is ok, as long as you're doing it for the government?

Err if itachi refused, he and the whole uchiha clan would still be wiped out (Danzou said so) Itachi made efforts to preserve the uchiha clan via sasuke.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

so in other words, i understand why he did what he did but i dont accept it.

thats the important difference in this world, we should really try to understand why 9/11 happens and try to understand those who did it, by no means does that mean we should accept it.

are you really trying to compare this to terrorists??? :flaw:

 

[yellowxflash]

no, not really he was under very bad circumstances by the higher ups, he always had good intentions for the village

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

thats an argument often used to defend evil, the atoms bombs on japan was necessary because otherwise the war would have countiuned and even more people would have died. but there are so many wrong things with an argument like that.

so the bombing on Hiroshima & Nagasaki were "evil" but the attack on Pearl Harbor, which led to the bombing, was okay?

like i told you a bunch of times already; you won't know what hard decisions are until you grow up, and even then, you most likely won't have to make real life/death decisions that others have had to live with..

you wanna call Truman "evil" for what he did? how about you first blame japan's leaders for not backing down and pushing him to make that decision. you wanna call someone "evil" in that war then why not bring up Hitler?? U_U