[VS] Itachi vs Tobirama

[Unorthodox]

what moment? I agreed with the dude. Problem?

the momment when someone agrees with you

 

[Bronze]

You're misunderstanding my statements it seems. I'm saying it's a range issue. Itachi can fool the sensory unit like you say by staying miles away. Won't do much in a 1vs1 fight

Yet it does a huge effect against a unit? You know how ridiculous you sound, right?

 

[Bogard]

Yet it does a huge effect against a unit? You know how ridiculous you sound, right?

Why against the unit? It's not the unit who is controlled with genjutsu. It's the troups on field. The unit can only check individuals chakra within a certain range. Outside the range they would never know what one is doing. How is that hard to understand?

 

[Minator93]

No intelligence works for Tobirama the most.

If there's no info Tobirama quickly senses everything and come to know that Itachi is from Uchiha Clan. He knows how to handle Uchihas seeing how he dealt with them for a lifetime. However Itachi not knowing about Tobirama's speed and FTG is a game-changer U_U

Tobirama can shunshin blitz or Hiraishinblitz Itachi. Or he could also use his fav Uchiha Killer attack i.e. Hiraishingiri.

No knowledge means Itachi gets stomped U_U

 

[Bronze]

Why against the unit? It's not the unit who is controlled with genjutsu. It's the troups on field. The unit can only check individuals chakra within a certain range. Outside the range they would never know what one is doing. How is that hard to understand?

That is false, since Ao says ''I'', referring to himself that he is the ONLY one who knows Itachi can do something like this. If the unit is outside the range as you say, then they would have known Itachi possess this ability, yet non of them knew which explains they're all inside Genjutsu. Tobirama is no exception.

 

[Bogard]

That is false, since Ao says ''I'', referring to himself that he is the ONLY one who knows Itachi can do something like this. If the unit is outside the range as you say, then they would have known Itachi possess this ability, yet non of them knew which explains they're all inside Genjutsu. Tobirama is no exception.

I'm not saying the unit is outside the range. I'm saying Itachi is the one who stays outside that range, but whatever i'm already tired to explain this, so let's just agree to disagree

 

[Bronze]

I'm not saying the unit is outside the range. I'm saying Itachi is the one who stays outside that range, but whatever i'm already tired to explain this, so let's just agree to disagree

Very well then.

 

[makosheva7]

the momment when someone agrees with you

More than one person expressed that users opinion thereby agreeing with them and thereby directly agreeing with me. Are you butthurt or something?

 

[ARGUS]

Tobirama wins this high diff

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama senses his chakra and knows immediately he's an Uchiha, because he's fought Uchihas all his life,he would know all about genjustu and not to look directly into his eyes. so I don't get this genjustu gg argument

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Itachi is better in all categories except in stamina, he take this.

 

[A v i]

Itachi wins low dif coz Tobirama can't fight while avoiding eye contact.Gai is the only one that can fight while avoiding eye contact.At first I though Tobirama can fight like that but a certain Tobirama fan enlightened me in a Itachi related thread and proved that even Tobirama can't fight like Gai.

 

[Conspirator.]

Itachi high diff IMO-although tobirama has a derinite chance of winning. It will basically come down to whether tobirama can survive long enough to outlast itachi....or not.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Yet it does a huge effect against a unit? You know how ridiculous you sound, right?

The only one that sounds ridiculous is you. In order for Itachi to hide his Chakra signature he'd need the same method as Karin - the one and only Shinobi shown to do so. Notice this mystical feat never once came up against Kabuto - who fought Itachi solely through sensing.

So yeah, it's clearly range.

 

[Touken]

Tobirama mid-diff.

 

[enditallsin]

All together tobiriama is a much better ninja than itachi, because 1st of all tobirama can be said to be top 3 of the very best sensors in the manga,so itachi pulling off a genjutsu or a amateratsu will be imposssible,if anything itachi is a sheer underdog in this fight because he won't be able to make a move that he thinks could end the fight because tobirama would have already sensed it,so itachi can't use tsukiymoi/amateratsu/or any type of genjustsu because it would basically get him killed,ya see thats the disadvantage of fight a man who who has basically a better all around ninja than you,who smarter than you,who basically knows more about you clan than, and who can literally kill you before you even notice it, tobirama take's this low diff.

 

[A v i]

All together tobiriama is a much better ninja than itachi, because 1st of all tobirama can be said to be top 3 of the very best sensors in the manga,so itachi pulling off a genjutsu or a amateratsu will be imposssible,if anything itachi is a sheer underdog in this fight because he won't be able to make a move that he thinks could end the fight because tobirama would have already sensed it,so itachi can't use tsukiymoi/amateratsu/or any type of genjustsu because it would basically get him killed,ya see thats the disadvantage of fight a man who who has basically a better all around ninja than you,who smarter than you,who basically knows more about you clan than, and who can literally kill you before you even notice it, tobirama take's this low diff.

This is what they call super underrating a character.

 

[End of Days]

Itachi being better at genjutsu than uchiha fodders is irrelevant

Itachi uses the same method to cast genjutsu, by making eye contact, avoiding eye contact counters any and all sharingan genjutsu

lol at finger genjutsu even being a factor in here

 

[LuckyMan]

Tobirama wins.

In all seriousness that man knows more about the Uchiha than most Uchiha. He even had knowledge of the blaze release well before Sasuke had even shown the ability. First I would like to say that so many people overrate Itachi. Even if he casts a genjutsu through his Sharingan it is still genjutsu and like all genjutsu they can be broken. Any competent ninja with rudimentary knowledge of genjutsu can break it for example: Kurenai biting her lip to make it bleed to come back to her senses to break Itachis genjutsu. Shikamaru breaking his finger to snap back his senses to break Tayuyas genjutsu. Genjutsu can also be broken by Genjutsu Dissipation. Kishimoto explained that this involves stopping the flow of chakra in your body then applying an even stronger power to disrupt the casters flow of chakra inside you. This can be done by the shinobi affected by the genjutsu as well. Given that Tobirama is a senju its safe to say his chakra is extremely potent and he too has immense reserves that can easily overwhelm Itachis chakra and disrupt his genjutsu on him. Since he is a sensor, he will know if he is in a genjutsu and break it accordingly. Just like Nagato senses the build up of chakra in Itachis eye before he used Amaterasu, Tobirama would sense the same and prepare the appropriate counter, being it FTG or putting up a water wall.

Tobirama has already dealt with the Susanoo as well. When he was revived he was certain he would kill Madara himself but he was unaware of Madaras new enhancements. Tobirama does not have many feats because he is not a main character in the series but because of his background its safe to say Itachi is a mere child to him and will certainly lose.

 

[Penguin]

Nice discussions!