[VS] Itachi vs Tobirama

[makosheva7]

Tobirama seems to know more about the Uchiha, than some Uchiha. With this said, he possesses a plethora of experience in fighting them. We can only make assumptions that he's never encountered an Uchiha with genjutsu prowess like Itachi's. All in all, it'll be a close match-up, but Tobirama has shown enough to come out victorious.

this exactly ^

 

[Unorthodox]

Tobirama defeated Izuna Uchiha, who was equal to Madara Uchiha. Im pretty sure MS Madara and Izuna were stronger than itachi.

With all his knowledge on the uchiha, im pretty sure tobirama could defeat itachi with mid - High difficulty.

see we dont take pretty sures thats nothing we all about facts feats and portrayol know uchiha has ever been able to use genjutsu from the finger itachi wins low-med diff

And I hate the itachi genjutsu gg statement. It's so stupid, Kakashi fell for it once, how is Tobirama who fought them most of his life and knows all about uchiha better than anyone going to fall for genjutsu. Even Ay wouldn't fall under genjutsu, only reason he did was because he was distracted.

pure fanfiction finger genjutsu shits if he takes time to try to perform a handsigh amaterasu 1 shots aswell

this exactly ^

waiting on that momment

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Tobirama defeated Izuna Uchiha, who was equal to Madara Uchiha. Im pretty sure MS Madara and Izuna were stronger than itachi.

With all his knowledge on the uchiha, im pretty sure tobirama could defeat itachi with mid - High difficulty.

I disagree. Itachi has yata mirror, totsuka blade and amaterasu, and is probably faster and equal if not better than them at Taijutsu. Madara is not beating Itachi with just MS.

Izuna is nothing but hype and talks

 

[KingHashirama]

Tobirama:

- Experience with various genjutsus, probably is skilled in it himself
- More brain intelect
- More experience , means tactics and etc are applied
- Better combat prowess
- Better and versatile arsenal

Plus, other unknown sh*t he probably has. So in the manga if they were to fight Tobirama would be the winner without a doubt.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Tobirama:

- Experience with various genjutsus, probably is skilled in it himself
- More brain intelect
- More experience , means tactics and etc are applied
- Better combat prowess
- Better and versatile arsenal

Plus, other unknown sh*t he probably has. So in the manga if they were to fight Tobirama would be the winner without a doubt.

How is tobirama breaking tsukoyomi? He jutsus aint getting through yata mirror. Itachi is a genius himself, the smartest Uchiha of all time. Having more experience is not an argument against Itachi

 

[Bogard]

Tobirama wins without edos mid-high difficulty. With one edo fodder it's a stomp in his favor

Furthermore, Itachi can render Tobirama's chakra sensing useless

Manga never said that

 

[Sasuke]

Is this really a thread? Itachi wins easily. You might as well posted SO6P vs Kakashi.

 

[Bronze]

Tobirama wins without edos mid-high difficulty. With one edo fodder it's a stomp in his favor

Manga never said that

I believe Owarji has posted this scan countless times:

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[Bogard]

I believe Owarji has posted this scan countless times:

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I know, but it's something called misinterpretation. When Ao said he was "undetectable by his sensory unit, yet controlling with genjutsu", he wasn't talking about hiding skills, but the range. There is a range in which a sensor can identify once chakra. Basically he was saying that Itachi can control someone by remaining outside that range

 

[Unorthodox]

Tobirama:

- Experience with various genjutsus, probably is skilled in it himself
- More brain intelect
- More experience , means tactics and etc are applied
- Better combat prowess
- Better and versatile arsenal

Plus, other unknown sh*t he probably has. So in the manga if they were to fight Tobirama would be the winner without a doubt.

fanfic like a mf you provided nothing even debate worthy

Tobirama wins without edos mid-high difficulty. With one edo fodder it's a stomp in his favor

Manga never said that

amaterasu gg

I believe Owarji has posted this scan countless times:

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preach

 

[Bronze]

I know, but it's something called misinterpretation. When Ao said he was "undetectable by his sensory unit, yet controlling with genjutsu", he wasn't talking about hiding skills, but the range. There is a range in which a sensor can identify once chakra. Basically he was saying that Itachi can control someone by remaining outside that range

That's wrong, because Ao never said anything about range. He talked about his sensory unit cant detect Itachi's Genjutsu, despite they can sense. There is no misinterpretation at all.

Going back to what i said originally, Itachi can use this advantage to cast Genjutsu on Tobirama unnoticed, and the match will be over.

 

[Bogard]

That's wrong, because Ao never said anything about range. He talked about his sensory unit cant detect Itachi's Genjutsu, despite they can sense. There is no misinterpretation at all.

Going back to what i said originally, Itachi can use this advantage to cast Genjutsu on Tobirama unnoticed, and the match will be over.

Ao didn't talk about range directly, but he didn't talk about hiding directly as well. What i did is just the interpretation of his words when you did another. I agree it's confusing, reason why i said it's a misinterpretation. The raw confirms that

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Someone who can use a genjutsu to
manipulate like this, while hidden at such a
range that they're undetectable by our
Sensor Division has to be someone of Itachi's
level, but… To manipulate such a large
number of people at the same time over
such a vast range would be impossible, even
for Itachi!" (「オレ達 感知部隊からも感知されない距離に�� �� �れて幻術で操れるような奴はうち�� �� ��タチ
ぐらいだが…これだけの広範囲の各�� �� �所で大勢を細かく同時に操るのは�� �� ��チでも無理だ!」, "Ore-tachi
Kanchi Butai kara mo kanchisarenai kyori ni
kakurete genjutsu de ayatsureru yō na yatsu wa
Uchiha Itachi gurai daga… Kore dake no kōhan'i no
kakubasho de ōzei o komakaku dōji ni ayatsuru no
wa Itachi demo muri da!

 

[Bronze]

Ao didn't talk about range directly, but he didn't talk about hiding directly as well. What i did is just the interpretation of his words when you did another. I agree it's confusing, reason why i said it's a misinterpretation. The raw confirms that

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Someone who can use a genjutsu to
manipulate like this, while hidden at such a
range that they're undetectable by our
Sensor Division has to be someone of Itachi's
level, but… To manipulate such a large
number of people at the same time over
such a vast range would be impossible, even
for Itachi!" (「オレ達 感知部隊からも感知されない距離に�� �� �れて幻術で操れるような奴はうち�� �� ��タチ
ぐらいだが…これだけの広範囲の各�� �� �所で大勢を細かく同時に操るのは�� �� ��チでも無理だ!」, "Ore-tachi
Kanchi Butai kara mo kanchisarenai kyori ni
kakurete genjutsu de ayatsureru yō na yatsu wa
Uchiha Itachi gurai daga… Kore dake no kōhan'i no
kakubasho de ōzei o komakaku dōji ni ayatsuru no
wa Itachi demo muri da!

First of all, i want to inform you that multiple Japanese companies also change the original scripts as well. So the text you posted may not very well be what Kishimoto had actually wrote. That is why Viz should be taken as more important, since they work with Kishimoto.

But even then, Tobirama is close range fighter, and so is Itachi. So, I don't see what your point is on range.

 

[makosheva7]

see we dont take pretty sures thats nothing we all about facts feats and portrayol know uchiha has ever been able to use genjutsu from the finger itachi wins low-med diff


pure fanfiction finger genjutsu shits if he takes time to try to perform a handsigh amaterasu 1 shots aswell


waiting on that momment

what moment? I agreed with the dude. Problem?

 

[Bogard]

First of all, i want to inform you that multiple Japanese companies also change the original scripts as well. So the text you posted may not very well be what Kishimoto had actually wrote. That is why Viz should be taken as more important, since they work with Kishimoto.

But even then, Tobirama is close range fighter, and so is Itachi. So, I don't see what your point is on range.

While the viz is the official one, even them make mistake. The viz doesn't work with Kishimoto. Raw translations on the other hand are mostly made by natives on internet(some of them by the trusted takL in narutoforums) when viz is made by studios and change depending on countrys. I can tell you that the german's viz most of the time differs from the american one.

 

[Bronze]

While the viz is the official one, even them make mistake. The viz doesn't work with Kishimoto. Raw translations on the other hand are mostly made by natives on internet(some of them by the trusted takL in narutoforums) when viz is made by studios and change depending on countrys. I can tell you that the german's viz most of the time differs from the american one.

The translation itself can be different, but its meaning is always close to each other. So it really doesn't matter, and you haven't answered my question.

 

[Conspirator.]

Itachi's genjutsus are for mare dangerous than all the other uchihas we have seen thus far......

 

[Bogard]

The translation itself can be different, but its meaning is always close to each other. So it really doesn't matter, and you haven't answered my question.

You mean the point of the range? It simply means the range in which Itachi can hide to control one's chakra would have no issue in a duel considering even the weakest sensor's range is above the range in which 2 people can actively fight

 

[Bronze]

You mean the point of the range? It simply means the range in which Itachi can hide to control one's chakra would have no issue in a duel considering even the weakest sensor's range is above the range in which 2 people can actively fight

But Itachi proved he can fool an entire sensory division with his Genjutsu. So, Tobirama will be trapped inside Itachi's Genjutsu even using his sensory abilities.

 

[Bogard]

But Itachi proved he can fool an entire sensory division with his Genjutsu. So, Tobirama will be trapped inside Itachi's Genjutsu even using his sensory abilities.

You're misunderstanding my statements it seems. I'm saying it's a range issue. Itachi can fool the sensory unit like you say by staying miles away. Won't do much in a 1vs1 fight