[VS] Itachi Vs Six Paths of Pein

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How would he even know that the rods transmit chakra? He didn't get intel. Nor does he see chakra going to or leaving the rods.

@ Minato FLASH he's in the same situation as jman if he ama the first three paths the outer (ithink it's that one) path will restore their bodies and then all 6 murder him.
He can see other's chakra by sharingan.. also how is he going to extenguish the flames?
 

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He can see other's chakra by sharingan.. also how is he going to extenguish the flames?
The byakugan has greater insight than the sharingan yet no hyuuga was able to trace the chakra going to the receivers. Naruto who is a perfect sage could only sense his chakra when he stabbed himself.

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That path brings back the three hit by ama.
 

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The byakugan has greater insight than the sharingan yet no hyuuga was able to trace the chakra going to the receivers. Naruto who is a perfect sage could only sense his chakra when he stabbed himself.

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That path brings back the three hit by ama.
Well then i guess the only way itachi wins is tsukyomi (if it affects all) or he finds the other paths while hiding under susanoo and seals or burns them. He can also use izanami? And KA (shishui's eye)? Itachi still has many ways to win but given the situation is in Pain's favor as Itachi prob wouldnt walk into pain's set up like J-man so Pain has a chance but Itachi too OP with all these tools he could def still win.
 

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Well then i guess the only way itachi wins is tsukyomi (if it affects all) or he finds the other paths while hiding under susanoo and seals or burns them. He can also use izanami? And KA (shishui's eye)? Itachi still has many ways to win but given the situation is in Pain's favor as Itachi prob wouldnt walk into pain's set up like J-man so Pain has a chance but Itachi too OP with all these tools he could def still win.
What's tsukuyomi doing to a dead body?
What's ka doing to a dead body?
Neither of those are binding genjutsu's and both can be planned against due to chakra buildup in the eye.
Pain mid diff
 

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Itachi is not going to be taking out any Paths with Amaterasu when Animal Path summons (there to block line of sight), Preta Path and Deva Path are on the field. Even on the off chance he does, Naraka Path will just bring it back, which Itachi has even less of a chance of taking out when Nagato keeps that Path the most protected in all of his formations. Unfortunately for Itachi, every Amaterasu attempt he makes will take a toll on his chakra until he anymore, whereas Pain is free to overwhelm Itachi with summons, missiles, chakra cannons, and boss toad level Shinra Tensei.
 

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This threads still going on?

Since itachi has intel on the rinnegan, pein would could lose.

If Itachi uses a crow summoning or crow clone towards the real body, Pain would be screwed.

Or use tsukyomi, those are the only way he can secure a victory.

A Six body count is hard to deal with...

Edit: Or maybe that multiple mass body control genjustu he he can use.
 

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This threads still going on?

Since itachi has intel on the rinnegan, pein would could lose.

If Itachi uses a crow summoning or crow clone towards the real body, Pain would be screwed.
How will Itachi locate the real body when Kakashi, a village full of Hyuugas and skilled sensors couldn't? Nevermind the whole issue of Itachi trying to get a clone past 6 pairs of eyes, Konan, along with the viewpoints of various summons.

Or use tsukyomi, those are the only way he can secure a victory.

A Six body count is hard to deal with...

Edit: Or maybe that multiple mass body control genjustu he he can use.
What is Tsukuyomi going to do to a dead body?
 

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How will Itachi locate the real body when Kakashi, a village full of Hyuugas and skilled sensors couldn't? Nevermind the whole issue of Itachi trying to get a clone past 6 pairs of eyes, Konan, along with the viewpoints of various summons.
I posted intel right?

Okay, yes I did...

Sharingan can see chakra, no hyuuga or sensor knew that nagato's real body was like acres away from the village.

If his main body send his crows, while he fights the paths, his crows can fly out of range to see chakra that matches pains.

What is Tsukuyomi going to do to a dead body?
The same thing jiraiya's sage song did to 3 pain bodies, only worse since the outer path (nagato) shares visions with his path bodies.
While considering that tsukyomi is a vision type genjustu that has a habit of one-shorting non uchiha's.

Only Sasuke, Obito, and Madara uchiha etc can break it by kekkai genkai (blood) and ocular power ( level 3 sharingan at least).

Anymore questions?
 
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Sharingan can see chakra,
You do realize that the Byakugan is not only capable of that, but surpasses the Sharingan in that ability right? Yet not one Hyuuga seemed to notice Nagato broadcasting chakra to his Paths. And that was with Hinata herself facing one in direct combat with her Byakugan activated.

no hyuuga or sensor knew that nagato's real body was like miles away from the village.


If his main body sense his crows, while he fights the paths, his crows can fly out of range to see chakra that matches pains.
His crows have a ?

The same thing jiraiya's sage song did to 3 pain bodies, only worse since the outer path (nagato) shares visions with his path bodies.
While considering that tsukyomi is a vision type genjustu that has a habit of one-shorting non uchiha's.
Nagato "shares" hearing with his Paths in much the same way that he "shares" vision, otherwise he would not be able to hold conversations through his Paths.

Frog Song paralyzed the 3 Paths' bodies and minds, something that clearly didn't extend to Nagato himself what with the chakra he broadcasts to the Paths being so hard to trace and all, and the fact that he wouldn't be able to control the other Paths if his mind was paralyzed.

Tsukuyomi, on the other hand, does not paralyze the opponent in any way. It only does mental damage to its victim. The victim in this case being a reanimated corpse. So in essence Itachi will be wasting his chakra as the Paths don't feel pain. Unless you can explain how mental damage will affect a dead body.
 
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You do realize that the Byakugan is not only capable of that, but surpasses the Sharingan in that ability right? Yet not one Hyuuga seemed to notice Nagato broadcasting chakra to his Paths. And that was with Hinata herself facing one in direct combat with her Byakugan activated.







His crows have a ?



Nagato "shares" hearing with his Paths in much the same way that he "shares" vision, otherwise he would not be able to hold conversations through his Paths.

Frog Song paralyzed the 3 Paths' bodies and minds, something that clearly didn't extend to Nagato himself what with the chakra he broadcasts to the Paths being so hard to trace and all, and the fact that he wouldn't be able to control the other Paths if his mind was paralyzed.

Tsukuyomi, on the other hand, does not paralyze the opponent in any way. It only does mental damage to its victim. The victim in this case being a reanimated corpse. So in essence Itachi will be wasting his chakra as the Paths don't feel pain. Unless you can explain how mental damage will affect a dead body.
1. No Byukagan user was looking for Nagato, they were looking at the fight between pain and naruto.

If I remember correctly, shikimaru's dad told them not to interfere.

No knowledge about the real real body was bestowed unto any Byukagan user.


2. I hope you know the difference between seeing chakra and sensing chakra.

Even if he changes his frequency, a sharingan can still see where chakra is located just by looking.

Naruto stabbed himself with a receiver to trace back where the chakra was located, Ino's dad did not use that method at all.

He just sense which receiver is using the highest chakra frequency, which can be anyone of those bodies.

Sending a crow outside the village and seeing chakra inside a tree is just child's play, especially with intel.


3. Nagato shares his vision with the pains, no other senses was implied (unless proven wrong).

Relying on paralyzing genjustu is pointless since itachi specifically said against kabuto that sharingan genjustu affects the five senses.

Finger genjustu is a paralyzing genjustu, Tsukyomi will still affect the pains because all vision is shared.

Now posting that the paths don't feel pain is a noob mistake on your part...

The bodies that died to frog katas and rasengan caused instant death, because each path felt every blow.

Even during the paths frog genjustu, Jiraiya stabbed the bodies and they died with blood rushing down their mouths.

It's funny how you're posting that frog song paralyzes the mind which caused a downfall in the paths, and you stated that tsukyomi only damages the mind.

You're just contradicting yourself...

I didn't even mention itachi multiple body control genjustu, he can make all the paths kill themselves by controlling them.

You're just making it up as you go Lol
 
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1. No Byukagan user was looking for Nagato, they were looking at the fight between pain and naruto.

If I remember correctly, shikimaru's dad told them not to interfere.

No knowledge about the real real body was bestowed unto any Byukagan user.
Why would they need knowledge on the real body to see this chakra if according to you the Sharingan can see the chakra Nagato is broadcasting so easily? Once again, the Byakugan surpasses the Sharingan when it comes to insight. If Nagato's broadcasted chakra can be detected so easily with the Sharingan, then any Hyuuga would have picked up on the Paths responding to the chakra Nagato was broadcasting, regardless of whether they are aware of Nagato's real body or not.

By simply looking at the fight between Pain and Naruto, any Hyuuga would have seen Nagato's chakra going towards the Paths' chakra rods, with your logic. Yet no one did, not even Kakashi who possesses a Sharingan and was stabbed with a chakra rod much like how SM Naruto stabbed himself.


2. Even if he changes his frequency, a sharingan can still see where chakra is located just by looking.
Based on nothing but your say so.


Naruto stabbed himself with a receiver to trace back where the chakra was located, Ino's dad did not use that method at all.
And if Itachi tries that, he gets his chakra disrupted just .

He just sense which receiver is using the highest chakra frequency, which can be anyone of those bodies.
So essentially Itachi, who is not a sensor in any shape or form, nor displayed any feats of chakra sensing, is going to outperform Inoichi, a skilled sensor, in sensing Nagato's chakra? Also, way to misinterpret a page. Inoichi said that Nagato constantly changing the frequency of his chakra was what was making it untraceable. That implies that there is no "highest chakra frequency" to track.

Sending a crow outside the village and seeing chakra inside a tree is just child's play, especially with intel.
Funny, last time I recall Itachi was not aware of Nagato's Six Paths of Pain technique during the Invasion of Pain Arc. Besides that, intel does not suddenly grant Itachi's crows Sage Mode sensing + Pain's chakra rods, the only method shown to track Nagato's chakra.

3. Nagato shares his vision with the pains, no other senses was implied (unless proven wrong).
Nagato held conversations through his Paths. He was also able to tell that Jiraiya was attempting a genjutsu just by . Unless he is a master lip reader and/or a psychic, that would imply that he can hear through his Paths as well.


Finger genjustu is a paralyzing genjustu, Tsukyomi will still affect the pains because all vision is shared.
Except for the fact that all of the Paths would have fallen to sound genjutsu with that same argument, yet only the 3 that were within range of Jiraiya's genjutsu were caught.

Now posting that the paths don't feel pain is a noob mistake on your part...

The bodies that died to frog katas and rasengan caused instant death, because each path felt every blow.
... are you seriously trying to tell me that someone who would not have the strength to punch a corpse so hard it would be unable to function properly? Nevermind a corpse not suited for physical combat in the first place?
As for Rasengan, we're talking about a jutsu that overcame Kabuto's regeneration jutsu in its debut and was significantly boosted with Sage Mode to the point that Naruto . Naruto defeating the Paths is not proof of them feeling pain if he damaged them so badly they would not be able to function properly anyways.


Even during the paths frog genjustu, Jiraiya stabbed the bodies and they died with blood rushing down their mouths.

It's funny how you're posting that frog song paralyzes the mind which caused a downfall in the paths, and you stated that tsukyomi only damages the mind.
"paralyzes the body and the mind" We see the Paths are unable to move, making half of that statement right. I didn't think it needed to be said that Nagato's mind was not paralyzed at that point, seeing how he sets Asura Path on Jiraiya seconds later. Unless you're implying that Itachi trying to inflict mental damage to the mind of a corpse is going to have an effect on it, in which case I ask again: how?

I didn't even mention itachi multiple body control genjustu, he can make all the paths kill themselves by controlling them.
Manga page implying this supposed genjutsu exists?

You're just making it up as you go Lol
-posts manga pages to support his arguments.
-is accused of making stuff up.
The irony of this sentence is not lost on me.
 
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1. No Byukagan user was looking for Nagato, they were looking at the fight between pain and naruto.

If I remember correctly, shikimaru's dad told them not to interfere.

No knowledge about the real real body was bestowed unto any Byukagan user.


2. I hope you know the difference between seeing chakra and sensing chakra.

Even if he changes his frequency, a sharingan can still see where chakra is located just by looking.

Naruto stabbed himself with a receiver to trace back where the chakra was located, Ino's dad did not use that method at all.

He just sense which receiver is using the highest chakra frequency, which can be anyone of those bodies.

Sending a crow outside the village and seeing chakra inside a tree is just child's play, especially with intel.


3. Nagato shares his vision with the pains, no other senses was implied (unless proven wrong).

Relying on paralyzing genjustu is pointless since itachi specifically said against kabuto that sharingan genjustu affects the five senses.

Finger genjustu is a paralyzing genjustu, Tsukyomi will still affect the pains because all vision is shared.

Now posting that the paths don't feel pain is a noob mistake on your part...

The bodies that died to frog katas and rasengan caused instant death, because each path felt every blow.

Even during the paths frog genjustu, Jiraiya stabbed the bodies and they died with blood rushing down their mouths.

It's funny how you're posting that frog song paralyzes the mind which caused a downfall in the paths, and you stated that tsukyomi only damages the mind.

You're just contradicting yourself...

I didn't even mention itachi multiple body control genjustu, he can make all the paths kill themselves by controlling them.

You're just making it up as you go Lol
1. Since there blatantly looking at the fight and they blatantly see chakra they'd see the chakra going to the rods. Sensors would also sense the chakra going to the rods. Yet with all eyes on the fight not one person saw the chakra go to the rods and not one person (bar sage naruto) was able to sense it. Itachi isn't a sensor, nor is his ability to see chakra as good as a hyuuga's. He isn't seeing it.

2. The only reason naruto stabbed himself is because the first time he got stabbed he felt nagato's chakra. Even as a perfect sage who can sense all the chakra in( at the minimum) the entire village, even when he got closer to pain with Dave sage mode outside the village he still didn't sense nagato's presence or chakra until he stabbed himself. Nor did any hyuuga see nagato's chakra moving through the sky and going to the rods. As for the send a crow up method the fight starts inside, the crow has no means to relay the info(no joint vision, crows don't function as shadow clones(only one of his crows contain sharingan)) and pain could easily destroy it having knowledge after all. As for the rest see 1.

3.so how does he have conversations though the paths, if he can't hear? Lol

Finger gen isn't a paralyzing gen naruto moved freely for quite some time. He only stopped moving when he attempted kai release.

Them coughing up blood=/= they feel pain.

Frog gen paralyzed mind and body. he said while in the genjutsu "you got me" mind intact ,body paralyzed.

Let's not get into the fact that the rods are called chakra disruption blades, breaking itachi's genjutsu will be as easy.

Pain mid difficulty.
 
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Why would they need knowledge on the real body to see this chakra if according to you the Sharingan can see the chakra Nagato is broadcasting so easily? Once again, the Byakugan surpasses the Sharingan when it comes to insight. If Nagato's broadcasted chakra can be detected so easily with the Sharingan, then any Hyuuga would have picked up on the Paths responding to the chakra Nagato was broadcasting, regardless of whether they are aware of Nagato's real body or not.

By simply looking at the fight between Pain and Naruto, any Hyuuga would have seen Nagato's chakra going towards the Paths' chakra rods, with your logic. Yet no one did, not even Kakashi who possesses a Sharingan and was stabbed with a chakra rod much like how SM Naruto stabbed himself.




Based on nothing but your say so.




And if Itachi tries that, he gets his chakra disrupted just .



So essentially Itachi, who is not a sensor in any shape or form, nor displayed any feats of chakra sensing, is going to outperform Inoichi, a skilled sensor, in sensing Nagato's chakra? Also, way to misinterpret a page. Inoichi said that Nagato constantly changing the frequency of his chakra was what was making it untraceable. That implies that there is no "highest chakra frequency" to track.



Funny, last time I recall Itachi was not aware of Nagato's Six Paths of Pain technique during the Invasion of Pain Arc. Besides that, intel does not suddenly grant Itachi's crows Sage Mode sensing + Pain's chakra rods, the only method shown to track Nagato's chakra.



Nagato held conversations through his Paths. He was also able to tell that Jiraiya was attempting a genjutsu just by . Unless he is a master lip reader and/or a psychic, that would imply that he can hear through his Paths as well.




Except for the fact that all of the Paths would have fallen to sound genjutsu with that same argument, yet only the 3 that were within range of Jiraiya's genjutsu were caught.



... are you seriously trying to tell me that someone who would not have the strength to punch a corpse so hard it would be unable to function properly? Nevermind a corpse not suited for physical combat in the first place?
As for Rasengan, we're talking about a jutsu that overcame Kabuto's regeneration jutsu in its debut and was significantly boosted with Sage Mode to the point that Naruto . Naruto defeating the Paths is not proof of them feeling pain if he damaged them so badly they would not be able to function properly anyways.




"paralyzes the body and the mind" We see the Paths are unable to move, making half of that statement right. I didn't think it needed to be said that Nagato's mind was not paralyzed at that point, seeing how he sets Asura Path on Jiraiya seconds later. Unless you're implying that Itachi trying to inflict mental damage to the mind of a corpse is going to have an effect on it, in which case I ask again: how?



Manga page implying this supposed genjutsu exists?



-posts manga pages to support his arguments.
-is accused of making stuff up.
The irony of this sentence is not lost on me.
1. You keep bringing up Byukagan and insight for what?

We clearly saw two Byukagan users watching pain fight naruto, and Hinata getting beaten by pain.

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Nowhere did it say that the Byukagan users are looking for chakra frequency from Nagato (pointless statement on your part).

So yes, knowledge counts for essentially everything...

You're literally arguing that a Byukagan and a sharingan user can't specifically see nagato's chakra.
(fanboying)
/Logic

2. I merely stated the justification on why Ino's dad galled to sense Nagato, no where did I imply Itachi is a sensor.

Precognition and see chakra more than well makes up for not being a sensor.

B. He changes his frequency, he is changing the rate of his chakra :|

3. Nagato shares his senses with his 3 paths and yet you justify that the paths that share the same senses didn't work on Nagato who shares the same hearing.

Yep, that Nagato fanboy logic :(

^^try using sense before I even attempt this one

4. What does Kabuto's healing have to do with rasengan?

Should we list the people who have been hit with a base rasengan and still life?

Point being is that base naruto "killed" or "disable," a moving corpse.

If the paths don't feel pain, then why do they not continue to fight?

If they didn't feel pain, there would be all 5 bodies still fighting towards the end.

In fact, this is them feeling pain:

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Nagato who you argue shares ALL of his sense with his paths, basically means that he doesn't feel pain from this piece of logic you put together.

I hope you know that "feel," is one of your senses right?

I guess the life loss and blood was for nothing right?

/logic

5. Again, Nagato sharing his hearing senses with his paths basically contradict everything you stand for :|

Since the paths were paraylzed because the genjustu attacks your hearing, Nagato was paraylzed by the genjustu too.

6.
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Read the manga...

7. Since when does irony and irrelevant co-exsist in vocabulary?

Your post proves nothing at all, no proof or statment being confirmed within the characters.

You literally have no proof that a Byukagan user was searching for nagato's real body.

While they weren't even aware of a outer body acres away from konoha, so how are they going to see for what they are not looking for?

You're so despite I swear Lol
 
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1. Since there blatantly looking at the fight and they blatantly see chakra they'd see the chakra going to the rods. Sensors would also sense the chakra going to the rods. Yet with all eyes on the fight not one person saw the chakra go to the rods and not one person (bar sage naruto) was able to sense it. Itachi isn't a sensor, nor is his ability to see chakra as good as a hyuuga's. He isn't seeing it.

2. The only reason naruto stabbed himself is because the first time he got stabbed he felt nagato's chakra. Even as a perfect sage who can sense all the chakra in( at the minimum) the entire village, even when he got closer to pain with Dave sage mode outside the village he still didn't sense nagato's presence or chakra until he stabbed himself. Nor did any hyuuga see nagato's chakra moving through the sky and going to the rods. As for the send a crow up method the fight starts inside, the crow has no means to relay the info(no joint vision, crows don't function as shadow clones(only one of his crows contain sharingan)) and pain could easily destroy it having knowledge after all. As for the rest see 1.

3.so how does he have conversations though the paths, if he can't hear? Lol

Finger gen isn't a paralyzing gen naruto moved freely for quite some time. He only stopped moving when he attempted kai release.

Them coughing up blood=/= they feel pain.

Frog gen paralyzed mind and body. he said while in the genjutsu "you got me" mind intact ,body paralyzed.

Let's not get into the fact that the rods are called chakra disruption blades, breaking itachi's genjutsu will be as easy.

Pain mid difficulty.
I can tell from one glance that you have no idea what is going on :|

Or how a genjustu functions for that matter.

Just stick to minato arguments, the other guy gave a better compelling argument than you
 

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I can tell from one glance that you have no idea what is going on :|

Or how a genjustu functions for that matter.

Just stick to minato arguments, the other guy gave a better compelling argument than you
So you can't counter what I'm saying, nor do you have proof that finger gen(in its one and only use) is a binding genjutsu. Nor can you prove that visual based genjutsu affects nagato and not just his pains...

He said pretty much the same thing I said. He just went through the trouble of getting scans.

They might have a similar moveset but they're not the same. S tick to Le sauce and his enton spam.
 
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Itachi's tsukuyomi will get activated on the six paths of pein. but i don't think they'll feel any pain from itachi's tricks becasue they are already dead. if somehow he catches nagato then Itachi wins.
 

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So you can't counter what I'm saying, nor do you have proof that finger gen(in its one and only use) is a binding genjutsu. Nor can you prove that visual based genjutsu affects nagato and not just his pains...

He said pretty much the same thing I said. He just went through the trouble of getting scans.

They might have a similar moveset but they're not the same. S tick to Le sauce and his enton spam.
Nowhere in the manga did it state that nagato is immune to visual genjustu

Unless you have a scan stating otherwise, keep off the assumptions in this thread
 
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