Itachi vs Pain
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I really dislike itachi fanboys he wouldnt stand a chance v a healthy nagato he would end up countering Nagatos moves at the expense of losing a lot of chakra adding the 6 paths would just be total overkill i guess im responding to snap people out of this but i realised a long time ago argueing with idiots just makes you sould like an idiot itachi wins in this poll well done
dude the thread maker later on said that nagato went hiding. He later added koto amakatsui to itachi but then took it away cos its an instant win.
lion vs cat wtf r u talking about
itachi can beat nagato in ways and nagato can beat itachi in certain ways but Itachi's chances are better IMO.
mookyuzamaki
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it doesnt matter with or without he still has eyes
(he can summon more monsters)
and its rape in close combat
omg im gonna post this post i posted earlier one more time just for you and i hope you read it!
read all has all the facts on way pain wins with or without six paths!
also this guy named yiin was in a thread on the riningan isnt so great
this right here adds more proof
Ok, trying to come from an unbiased point of view; In the manga did it not say that Tsukuyomi could only be broken from someone of 'Flesh and Blood'? Flesh and Blood wouldn't be limited to siblings as you've stated previously. If the manga meant that literally then we can safely assume that Tsukuyomi could be broken by anyone who was Uchiha and also of sufficient skill. Fortunately this doesn't change your initial argument about how Sasuke was able to break free from Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Also, nowhere in the manga or anime does it state that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee. We know it was a genjutsu but it could have been any Genjutsu since we know from Sasuke's fight with Deidara that he was at least very skilled in genjutsu. Currently; all of my data correlates to your theory but did the manga not say that The Sage of the Six Path's (Who also possessed the Rinnegan) sons eventually became the Senju and Uchiha clans? And are the Uzumaki not at very least descended from the Senju? If all of my points are true, which currently the manga states; then in theory any Senju, Uchiha or via extension, Uzumaki (In which Nagato is) should be able if sufficently skilled; able to break out of Tsukuyomi? Another point I have is during the fight between Madara and Hashirama, the former (as in Madara) would have used his Mangekyo Sharingan against Hashirama but logically he would use the full might of it since these two have fought time and time again? I believe we can safely assume that Madara would have used Tsukuyomi against Hashirama and if Hashirama couldn't escape it as he wasn't an Uchiha, then how did Hashirama 'defeat' Madara? Did Madara let him go? I Doubt it as Madara could have used his body for experimentation similarly to how Orochimaru spliced his DNA into Tenzo (Yamato) This, In my honest opinion shows that Senju (And via extension the Uzumaki) would have the capability to break out of Tsukuyomi. Also, Tsukuyomi would be ineffective against any of Pain's paths as they're not even alive. They have a constant flow of chakra flowing through their bodies which allows Nagato to move them but to suspect and assume that Nagato's paths of pain are an extension of his body are almost impossible taking into consideration the way we know of how chakra works. Tsukuyomi or not, it is still a genjutsu and thus must follow the rules set out by the manga. A jutsu is a materialization of chakra, which would be able to interact with it's surroundings. We can assume that scientifically, a genjutsu is a materialization of chakra which disturbs the neurons in your brain which proves it would be ineffective against any of Pain's paths.
In conclusion, with all of the given points; it shows the Nagato whilst not immune to genjutsu per say, is at least fortified and defended against Genjutsu in general. We can safely now assume that Itachi's Tsukuyomi or even the unknown 'Tsukuyomi' of Sasuke wouldn't work (easily) on Nagato nor his Paths of Pain.
Also, I don't actually know why your theory (which I have hopefully dis-proven) has anything to do with why the rinnegan isn't as great as portrayed. The rinnegan has been stated several times to be almost godly when compared to the powers which other Dojutsu grant and its effects of speeding up learning and granting someone the ability to use all 5 chakra natures is overpowered in its own right. the mangekyo sharingan however is also very, very useful in a battle granting the use of several high leveled techniques such as Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo and most probably Kamui (Since Madara instantly recognised Kakashi's Kamui before he had even used it.) But by extension, these feats are out shadowed by the Rinnegan's many uses.
I'd gladly argue further with you as you attempt to disprove my very own points but before you do so, learn some grammar and also its 'The' not 'D'
Yiin
+rep again to this guy above who wrote this
and this is what i have to say:
pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke
beat it anyone can
too
this is not me talking this is some itachi fanboy
(this guy named Shamami posted this:
Just to make things clear:
1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.
what i have to say about this:this makes no sense if it be longed to the so6p then its beast if ems or ms was stronger then the so6p would have ems or ms
so thats just dumb and he even said rinningan can learn all kinds of crazy jutsu he says this above and this is a guy going for itachi
2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu
what i have to say about this:i dont remeber him saying that at all i think he meant genjutsu's by ear other than that if you think pain can be caught in a tskuyomi which snake sasuke broke then your saying the so6p can get caught as well
and saying tskuyomi is the third strongest genjutsu is dumb since snake sasuke broke it
3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.
what i have to say about thiseah you dont know and whats this about susono states whatever state its in complete or not its not as strong or stronger then the nine tails which was caught in the planetary devastation)
but back to the point
this is snake sasuke fighting itachi and itachi is about to use or i think is already is using tsukuyomi
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and snake sasuke breaking tsukuyomi
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most idiots like fan boy itachi fans and zetsu well i think the white one
thinks if itachi uses tsukuyomi and your done
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i repeat this is snake sasuke
not even ms just has a regular 3 moe shariggan
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and a quote from zetsu that i love
that proves itachis genjutsu isn't really that tough
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so knowing that snake sasuske broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)
so knowing this
that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level
killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough
(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)
and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast
and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this
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taking all chakra based attacks!
in one body
just one!
and he is fast
nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.
and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat
also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato
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and also this
nagato
stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!
killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed
if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's
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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam
attack
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jugos beam attack
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also note what naruto says his
speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!
and also i agree with itachi rite here
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every jutsu has a flaw its true
BUT
when your alone going against this jutsu
and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)
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and look at this??
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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....
and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull
so he cant out run it lol
cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails
but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done
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and
naruto wasn't done obviously
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but neither was nagato
he spares naruto!
and says this
note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out
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and had enough chakra to pull this off
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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village
and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...
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back to the main point!!!!
itachis susono will get merked!
this one move
(itachis projectile with susuono)
the yasakas
magatama
cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!
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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it
well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work
and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation
and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes
itachi f#$##$#
loses
point blank
i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga
had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do
no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga
so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an
A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..
and minato fan boys
cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped
simple as that...
mookyuzamaki
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wtf yeah he took it away cuz he cant use it itachi had to wait ten years for it to activate and it flipped around and got used on him self
....fail!!
so of course thread maker took it cuz thats like giving pain complete pain and all six paths so a healthy pain and six paths just cuz he had and used the paths b4 doesnt mean he can use it in this battle cuz it makes no sense
mookyuzamaki
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itachi loses point blank if u believe that is fine but its not that simple and i am not gonna argue with u of this whole thing it would take way to long and we have talked about this b4 too i am not gonna reiterate my points you obviously think pein can win easily but the manga shows it otherwise.
he gave nagato things like health(which he lost and became cripple), and using paths while he is fighting at the same time something nagato has not been shown to do so he gave itachi KA which is something he was able to do but now lost it.
i really dislike you your proabaly the worst itachi fanboy here its like when people say facts to you you argue you vs facts you dont understand a crippled Nagato being controlled would of beat evryone of them without helping each other.Dont you get it? Its like talking to a brick wall its unbelievable how can anyone in there right mind think like you every single move itachi does wastes a lot of chakra how would he outlast Nagato who fought v the 9 tails and captured it your so up itachis ass that any furthur you would be able to use amateseru you dont get it you just spam stupid biast facts all the time in an attempt to sound logical you might be able to fool these illogical itachi wanking people but you cant fool me get real
Very good metaphor
Ame no kage
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the paths can not dodge the attack? let me tell you why i think they can. nagato as the controller of the paths can sense amaterasu which will force him to act accordingly to itachi's abilities. all the paths complement each other, shinra tensai's 5 second recovery is debatable as it varies depending on the amount of power put into the attack, i doubt it needs much for dispelling amaterasu. but anyways...i would assume nagato would base his formation for his paths on itachi's jutsu's, somwhat like this... Asura Path, Human Path & Preta Path in the front line for defense, asura & human path as human shields blocking site from the back and preta path acting as a counter for amaterasu and any other type of ninjutsu, deva path in the middle, using bansho ten'in and shinra tensai if need be, then you have animal path at the back delivering long range attacks with its summoning's, then finally naraka path at the back of animal path ready to regenerate any fallen paths.
now, you avoided answering the question, how can itachi escape Chibaku Tensei?
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KA isnt his own technique jeez he couldnt even use it if he wanted to and its not a instant win but if it gets Nagato it would make him protect the hidden leaf which is such a retarded comment by you lol
mookyuzamaki
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no cuz you cant everything in this post is what everyone has been trying to get across to you but you refuse to look at the manga and realize what kishi has been showing us kishi is basically saying in naruto manga chapter 551 STOP NAGATO
that nagato is such a beast it took all three of the toughest ninja to take him down and he HAD to be sealed!
so pain with out or with paths wins no matter what! cuz if so itchi would have been like lets skip the small talk naruto bee leave nangato to me since im such i beast and can take him alone.....but did that happen?? no he needed bee and naruto cuz he would have lost by him self
then why didn't they all dodge rasengan and nagato is not close by to sense the pressure. rasenshuriken is slower than amaterasu and a few of them still got caught by rasenshuriken, they can't dodge its considerably faster than the rasengan techs. And once amaterasu hits them what is stopping itachi from attacking he can use susano and use its hands, yaska or even the sword they would be obviously slower due to amaterasu. The animal path cannot summon when she is burning and the summons were easily stopped. the process for reviving is slow and cannot be done when a person is attacking them. and the more power he uses on shinra or bansho the more it hurts the paths again adn makes them more useless. And itachi is faster than them and he can move accordingly through their formations and attack with amaterasu he needs to see them thats all.
mookyuzamaki
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these paths are dead they feel no pain!
So even if itachi hits them with something they will fufill there roll and carry on the least task nagato gave them so if one is burning one will come absorb the flame
if another is on fire the summoning one will carry out its summon
whatever it takes pain will prevail
itachi loses!
mookyuzamaki
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izanami i can say the same to nagato madara said he gave him the eyes so its not nagato's powers. No that is just stupid they can use what they have in this hypothetical fight.
myobaku nagato is great i am not arguing that this is a close fight not an easy one as u think and if u think that well go read the manga agains how itachi is so skilled and blinded nagato sights and got him with his sword. Stop with nagato he is great but beatable so is itachi not saying he is not well
and kabuto was consistently got mad at how good itachi was. Naruto and bee had to be saved. Itachi did most of the work he did not kno about chibaku and naruto and bee are right there why would he not use their help to destroy the black sphere.
are u forgetting that itachi can still continue to attack with yaska, sword, susano's arms, taijutsu he is not gonna let preta just go around absorbing everyone. they have no pain but their hands and bodies do burn which does not allow them to use their techs, soon after they won'tt even move.
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Ame no kage
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ummm the rinnegan gives him his sensing abilities, what does the paths have...the rinnegan, so i would say he can sense them from that distance, to be honest susanoo is useless against Preta Path, susanoo is strong no doubt and its armour is impenetrable, but its still made of chakra from the user which falls under the ninjutsu also which preta path absorbs. susanoo dead. i dont know how itachi would manage with all summoning's attacking him with animal path and close range combat with asura path, and also gives deva path to use chibaku Tensei, and i doubt it would hurt him, he was already weak from taking the village in the naruto fight dont forget that.
And guys do u not kno what KA does it gets the person and commands them to do whatever itachi wants him to do. he can put any command he wants like kill urself or something like that but in the manga he wanted to save sasuke so he made it protect konoha. the threadmaker took it awway cos its one of the most haxed jutsu.
mookyuzamaki
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ok but this is a one on one fight from the last points they died
when pain has all six paths he wins against itachi
points have been proven for that argument and now pain complete vs itachi
pains still wins
i posted my arguments for that so many times and you refuse to read it czu you have a biased opinion and no matter what any of us says you wont agree and thats cool but our facts prove other wise
the manga does to we have said all itachis counters and jutsu to cancel his out and you still wont listen well thats on you
and when you said this"i can say the same to nagato madara said he gave him the eyes so its not nagato's powers. No that is just stupid they can use what they have in this hypothetical fight."
thats where i knew your a fan boy you can take away nagatos rinnegan cuz he had when he was a child
and saying this we can say itachi has no ms your altering the story to where your fav character wins which is childish but whatever ill post my facts post one more time so you can get pwned and if you want to read cool if not your a fan boy
and also if nagato summons that big old monster dragon thing he used on danzo and hanzos men itachi susono will get raped!
this thing!
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m not gonna waste my time explaining this again i made another thread just so ppl can get all the facts but again ill post it again so ppl can understand just way itachi cant win.....
ppl on nb are biased as hell and its like that in every thread its always turns in to a popularity contest no matter what.even though the character pain nagato or who ever it is the obvious winner and the popular one wins no matter what. pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke
beat it anyone can
too
this is not me talking this is some itachi fanboy
(this guy named Shamami posted this:
Just to make things clear:
1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.
what i have to say about this:this makes no sense if it be longed to the so6p then its beast if ems or ms was stronger then the so6p would have ems or ms
so thats just dumb and he even said rinningan can learn all kinds of crazy jutsu he says this above and this is a guy going for itachi
2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu
what i have to say about this:i dont remeber him saying that at all i think he meant genjutsu's by ear other than that if you think pain can be caught in a tskuyomi which snake sasuke broke then your saying the so6p can get caught as well
and saying tskuyomi is the third strongest genjutsu is dumb since snake sasuke broke it
3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.
what i have to say about thiseah you dont know and whats this about susono states whatever state its in complete or not its not as strong or stronger then the nine tails which was caught in the planetary devastation)
but back to the point
this is snake sasuke fighting itachi and itachi is about to use or i think is already is using tsukuyomi
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and snake sasuke breaking tsukuyomi
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most idiots like fan boy itachi fans and zetsu well i think the white one
thinks if itachi uses tsukuyomi and your done
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i repeat this is snake sasuke
not even ms just has a regular 3 moe shariggan
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and a quote from zetsu that i love
that proves itachis genjutsu isn't really that tough
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so knowing that snake sasuske broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)
so knowing this
that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level
killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough
(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)
and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast
and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this
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taking all chakra based attacks!
in one body
just one!
and he is fast
nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.
and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat
also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato
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and also this
nagato
stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!
killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed
if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's
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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam
attack
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jugos beam attack
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also note what naruto says his
speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!
and also i agree with itachi rite here
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every jutsu has a flaw its true
BUT
when your alone going against this jutsu
and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)
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and look at this??
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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....
and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull
so he cant out run it lol
cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails
but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done
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and
naruto wasn't done obviously
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but neither was nagato
he spares naruto!
and says this
note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out
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and had enough chakra to pull this off
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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village
and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...
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back to the main point!!!!
itachis susono will get merked!
this one move
(itachis projectile with susuono)
the yasakas
magatama
cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!
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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it
well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work
and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation
and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes
itachi f#$##$#
loses
point blank
i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga
had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do
no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga
so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an
A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..
and minato fan boys
cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped
simple as that...