Itachi vs Pain
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now, i havent read all the posts but:
1.Jiraiya never used genjutsu versus pain, ma and pa frog did.
2. After Itachi uses his Tsukuyomi on one of the pains, he falls down on his knees starts whining about how little chakra he has.
3. And if anyone was to be hit by Amaterasu, Naraka path would fix em, even if it was himself, Preta path would hurry up and absorb amaterasu and whoever got hit would jump into mouth of naraka paths tech.
4. Deva path would just use bansho tenin and all 5 of the other paths would jump on itachi and rip him to bits.
1.Jiraiya never used genjutsu versus pain, ma and pa frog did.
2. After Itachi uses his Tsukuyomi on one of the pains, he falls down on his knees starts whining about how little chakra he has.
3. And if anyone was to be hit by Amaterasu, Naraka path would fix em, even if it was himself, Preta path would hurry up and absorb amaterasu and whoever got hit would jump into mouth of naraka paths tech.
4. Deva path would just use bansho tenin and all 5 of the other paths would jump on itachi and rip him to bits.
Gaara of Hidden Sand
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I vote for Pain
yeh, u'd better read the post before posting urs. :|
man don't get upset but u're talking sh*t
that's a real spoiler.thanx for informing. :|
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Agent Secrecy
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Pain seems weak to genjutsu and Itachi's genjutsus were REALLY strong ( the one he used to on Kakashi's clone after catching Naruto in Utakata or the one he used on Orochimaru not to mention Tsukuyomi...besides when fighting Itachi it would be difficult for even Nagato to know the difference between Illusion and reality, giving Itachi enough time to attack any one of the six bodies.
...and Pain seems to be fooled by Shadow Clones so what is to stop Itachi from using Explosive Water Clone when Pain is at a right distance...
...Pain is fast, yes, but against the Sharingan, speed is not a factor...
Animal Realm = Amaterasu...
Human Realm = One of those strong genjutsu and then a Goukakyuu...
Hell Realm = Amaterasu...
Demon Realm = Amaterasu...
The only Pains who would pose a problem here are God Realm and Hungry Ghost...but with all the things Itachi can do with genjutsu...
...and then there's Susanoo...
Itachi wins this...
...and Pain seems to be fooled by Shadow Clones so what is to stop Itachi from using Explosive Water Clone when Pain is at a right distance...
...Pain is fast, yes, but against the Sharingan, speed is not a factor...
Animal Realm = Amaterasu...
Human Realm = One of those strong genjutsu and then a Goukakyuu...
Hell Realm = Amaterasu...
Demon Realm = Amaterasu...
The only Pains who would pose a problem here are God Realm and Hungry Ghost...but with all the things Itachi can do with genjutsu...
...and then there's Susanoo...
Itachi wins this...
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roflcopter
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No.Jiraiya did that with the help from the Elder forg (Pa)
Since when that happened???
That's didn't happen before and for example the first fight between Itachi and Kakashi when Itachi trapped Kakashi into his Tsukuyomi and Itachi appear hadn't fatigued or exhausted.
I won't go on details but simply Itachi is smarter than Pain so that he know how to use his jutsus wisely
Good Idea and Itachi will use Suicidal Close (a.k.a Explosion Clone) and get rid of them all
WTF!!!
You should Re-read the manga about Itachi before posting something stupid
Itachi was aiming to die by Saskue hands to fulfill his goal "revenge" so that Itachi acted like enemy and seriously against Saskue.
Itachi has huge amount of Chakra unlike Kakashi and others
He dead because of the Disease not chakra
oneoftheskilled
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This battle can go either way. I think Itachi would lose cause he doesn't have enough chakara, but there's a way for him to win.
Itachi Win:
My theory is genjutsu works against the pein's relms (because they were in a genjutsu when the frogs sang). It doesn't mean pein can change frequencies to adjust his chakara and get out of a genjutsu. Another pein has to snap them out of it. Continuing on, all itachi has to do is put ghost relm on Tsykuomi and use ameratsu on any other body that gets neary ghost relm. Ghost is out so no chak obsorbtion. AND ameratsu is one of those techniques that uses a two dimensional area to attack. 2 dimensional means he looks u instantly caught on fire. Since it's 2 dimensional, ameratsu doesn't travel on the ground/air to reach a body. Heck itachi can put Ghost relm on fire so no other pein can help/heal him. Now theres god relm. Use ameratsu on him and then what? Yea the fire is going to get put out because he is going to use Shinra Tensei on himself? no way. Pein relms lose against itachi. Especially if he uses susanoo in the beginning of the fight so he can just defend himself and spam Tsykuomi/Ameratsu at will. Even if pein uses Chibaku Tensei, Susanoo would protect Itachi because susanoo would be the one taking dmg not itachi. He's inside susanoo and it acts like a solid wall between him and the real world. All Chibaku Tensei would accomplish is stall for time. Susanoo would just be wrapped around the gravitational ball until pein runs out of chakara.
Pein's Win:
Pretty convincing right? Wrong itachi doesn't have this kind of chakara to spam Ameratsu. Using it twice already takes a alot of chakara. Itachi's limit would be 1 Tsykuomi, and 2 Ameratsu with susanoo. If god relm uses Chibaku Tensei, itachi is finished. Theres not way he can sustain susanoo for a long time because it puts tremendous strain on the body. Itachi would lose the fight, because itachi wouldn't use susanoo in the beginning. Neither would pein use Chibaku Tensei. Shinra Tensei is enough to keep itachi occupied until he gets stabbed by one of those funny sticks of pein's.
Itachi Win:
My theory is genjutsu works against the pein's relms (because they were in a genjutsu when the frogs sang). It doesn't mean pein can change frequencies to adjust his chakara and get out of a genjutsu. Another pein has to snap them out of it. Continuing on, all itachi has to do is put ghost relm on Tsykuomi and use ameratsu on any other body that gets neary ghost relm. Ghost is out so no chak obsorbtion. AND ameratsu is one of those techniques that uses a two dimensional area to attack. 2 dimensional means he looks u instantly caught on fire. Since it's 2 dimensional, ameratsu doesn't travel on the ground/air to reach a body. Heck itachi can put Ghost relm on fire so no other pein can help/heal him. Now theres god relm. Use ameratsu on him and then what? Yea the fire is going to get put out because he is going to use Shinra Tensei on himself? no way. Pein relms lose against itachi. Especially if he uses susanoo in the beginning of the fight so he can just defend himself and spam Tsykuomi/Ameratsu at will. Even if pein uses Chibaku Tensei, Susanoo would protect Itachi because susanoo would be the one taking dmg not itachi. He's inside susanoo and it acts like a solid wall between him and the real world. All Chibaku Tensei would accomplish is stall for time. Susanoo would just be wrapped around the gravitational ball until pein runs out of chakara.
Pein's Win:
Pretty convincing right? Wrong itachi doesn't have this kind of chakara to spam Ameratsu. Using it twice already takes a alot of chakara. Itachi's limit would be 1 Tsykuomi, and 2 Ameratsu with susanoo. If god relm uses Chibaku Tensei, itachi is finished. Theres not way he can sustain susanoo for a long time because it puts tremendous strain on the body. Itachi would lose the fight, because itachi wouldn't use susanoo in the beginning. Neither would pein use Chibaku Tensei. Shinra Tensei is enough to keep itachi occupied until he gets stabbed by one of those funny sticks of pein's.
Nothing in the Narutoverse is ULTIMATE..
They thought Kyuubi is undefeatable, yet the 1st Hokage defeated it. Madara tamed it.
They said Susanoo was an ultimate defense, yet Mizukage's acid melted it.
They thought Amaterasu was unblockable, yet Raikage dodged it, and Jiraiya sealed it. Even the great Tsukuyomi was cancelled by Sasuke.
So, in Pain vs Itachi...
Amaterasu will be countered by either Fat Pain absorption or Shinra Tensei.
Susanoo can be defeated. Just imagine God Realm uses shinra tensei that took out Konoha. It can't survive from that, can it? What about Chibaku Tensei? Itachi doesn't have the raw strength to get out of this one.
Yeah Itachi will throw everything at Pain, but all will be countered. Then, "Bansho Tenin.." game over!
They thought Kyuubi is undefeatable, yet the 1st Hokage defeated it. Madara tamed it.
They said Susanoo was an ultimate defense, yet Mizukage's acid melted it.
They thought Amaterasu was unblockable, yet Raikage dodged it, and Jiraiya sealed it. Even the great Tsukuyomi was cancelled by Sasuke.
So, in Pain vs Itachi...
Amaterasu will be countered by either Fat Pain absorption or Shinra Tensei.
Susanoo can be defeated. Just imagine God Realm uses shinra tensei that took out Konoha. It can't survive from that, can it? What about Chibaku Tensei? Itachi doesn't have the raw strength to get out of this one.
Yeah Itachi will throw everything at Pain, but all will be countered. Then, "Bansho Tenin.." game over!
Itachi will definitely win, Jiraiya killed three peins when the frogs used there genjutsu proving pein is succeptible to genjutsu, therefore Itachi will use Tsukuyomi, then finish withe either Amataresu or Susano'o. The only problem is that i dont know how the frogs genjutsu and Tsukuyomi compare
DarkSakuraAngel736
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I think Pain would win for most of the reasons stated before my post. Itachi would be fighting 6 dead bodies. If he uses a jutsu on one there are 5 others that would still be able to attack him. I doubt he will counter all of the attacks because inorder to attack and counter attack he would need to focuss on his target(s) otherwise he might end up either missing or hurting himself.
Each Pain is strong in its own way and together they are close to unbeatable. I think Pain is as strong or stronger than Madara who is someone that Itachi couldn't defeat(If he could Madara would've been dead a long time ago).
I believe that Susano'o would be useless against Pain. God Realm can control gravity which is something no ninja can withstand. If the yatas mirror rejected gravity then Itachi would float out of the atmosphere. The sword of tatsuka wouldn't work imo because it seals the soul of a ninja and the six paths are dead bodies meaning they don't have souls. Susano'o also puts the user through immense pain. Sasuke felt extreme pain while using an incomplete Susano'o, imagine what Itachi would go through. There is no way he would keep it up for more than a few minutes so all Pain would have to do is stay out of attacking range.
My final reason for voting Pain is that Nagato would be in a high place possibly miles away from the fight. If Itachi does manage to beat the other paths there is still Nagato and Konan somewhere else.
Each Pain is strong in its own way and together they are close to unbeatable. I think Pain is as strong or stronger than Madara who is someone that Itachi couldn't defeat(If he could Madara would've been dead a long time ago).
I believe that Susano'o would be useless against Pain. God Realm can control gravity which is something no ninja can withstand. If the yatas mirror rejected gravity then Itachi would float out of the atmosphere. The sword of tatsuka wouldn't work imo because it seals the soul of a ninja and the six paths are dead bodies meaning they don't have souls. Susano'o also puts the user through immense pain. Sasuke felt extreme pain while using an incomplete Susano'o, imagine what Itachi would go through. There is no way he would keep it up for more than a few minutes so all Pain would have to do is stay out of attacking range.
My final reason for voting Pain is that Nagato would be in a high place possibly miles away from the fight. If Itachi does manage to beat the other paths there is still Nagato and Konan somewhere else.
eyesofthekyuubi44
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Pain wins this one.
Tsukiyomi wouldn't do much, Nagato can change frequencies of Chakra. Frog song possibly only worked because it used sound, and Nagato could still hear it. But Tsukiyomi can be avoided so long as you don't look directly at his eyes.
Amaterasu? Preta path absorb. Or Shinra Tensei. I personally think the large scale Shinra Tensei has less drawbacks for the same amount of damage that a large scale Amaterasu would. In the Naruto world, I'd rather have a shortened lifespan then become blind. Blindness=Death.
Susanoo? Meet Chibaku Tensei. Susanoo most likely cannot block Chibaku Tensei because its not a direct attack. A big enough Chibaku Tensei would probably kill Itachi as Susanoo breaks out. Not only that, but Pain can probably keep Chibaku Tensei up longer than Itachi can do with Susanoo. He commented on that as he was dealing with an 8-tailed Naruto that'd he'd have to make a bigger one. One that was bigger than a tailed beast... The 9-tails is bigger than Susanoo.
Tsukiyomi wouldn't do much, Nagato can change frequencies of Chakra. Frog song possibly only worked because it used sound, and Nagato could still hear it. But Tsukiyomi can be avoided so long as you don't look directly at his eyes.
Amaterasu? Preta path absorb. Or Shinra Tensei. I personally think the large scale Shinra Tensei has less drawbacks for the same amount of damage that a large scale Amaterasu would. In the Naruto world, I'd rather have a shortened lifespan then become blind. Blindness=Death.
Susanoo? Meet Chibaku Tensei. Susanoo most likely cannot block Chibaku Tensei because its not a direct attack. A big enough Chibaku Tensei would probably kill Itachi as Susanoo breaks out. Not only that, but Pain can probably keep Chibaku Tensei up longer than Itachi can do with Susanoo. He commented on that as he was dealing with an 8-tailed Naruto that'd he'd have to make a bigger one. One that was bigger than a tailed beast... The 9-tails is bigger than Susanoo.
Pain. He is one of the few ninja's that have effective counters for MS technique's and with Nagato on the sidelines, that is his true trump card.
Jiraiya appeared to take out those 3 bodies yet they were revived awful quick in a short time span. You can see that 2 of the 3 still have visible signs of the swords being plunged in their stomachs yet when Azura Realm was destroyed he came back out brand new. I believe that he isn't as weak to genjutsu as some people want to believe.
Remember that Uchicha's are famous for their genjutsu while Pain didn't realize that Jiraiya had such a devasting genjutsu attack in his arsenal. This sound genjutsu has a wider range then Tsukuyomi plus Nagato can disrupt the pain chakra from his location.
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Jiraiya appeared to take out those 3 bodies yet they were revived awful quick in a short time span. You can see that 2 of the 3 still have visible signs of the swords being plunged in their stomachs yet when Azura Realm was destroyed he came back out brand new. I believe that he isn't as weak to genjutsu as some people want to believe.
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