Itachi vs. Nagato (detailed analysis for an imagined fight)

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Just to end this thread why do you think in the manga Nagato got totsKa blade right after cb cuzz other then that Nagato has nothing on itachi and people stop hyping St that didt even kill anyone even kakashi didt get killed by it amaterasu is enough for Nagato he can't absorb he can repel then 5 sec interval then amaterasu and in my opinion Tsukiyomi works so itachi wins
uhh no it was because of plot and kabuto controlling him. Nagato is a sensor and easily could've avoided that attack if it werent for plot no justsu.

Amaterasu can be absorbed and ST has varying levels of power. The one he used on the toads could kill itachi or badly injure him
 

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uhh no it was because of plot and kabuto controlling him. Nagato is a sensor and easily could've avoided that attack if it werent for plot no justsu.

Amaterasu can be absorbed and ST has varying levels of power. The one he used on the toads could kill itachi or badly injure him
No cuzz susano so what if he's a sensor he will still get hit by it and he will get hit by Tsukiyomi only an uchiha can break it kakashi couldt renniegan dosent
 
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5 second interval only applies to 1/6 deva path, not nagato

Tsukyomi susano amaterasu for summons totsKa blitz Yata only an uchiha blood can break Tsukiyomi kakashi couldt and renniegan can't

Only thing Nagato has is ct that can beat current itachi if itachi lived he would get ps and wreck if there was no illness or the rebellion
 

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-Remember what happened to summons before Nagato and Kabuto even realized or sensed it (not dependent on Naruto or Bee)
Nagato was also fighting KCM Naruto and Killer bee and nearly killed them despite being immobile, with only itachi to worry about, he takes him down easily

-Speculation
Lol How?? shared viision is a great counter to genjutsu, since nagato has more eyes and can then use these different views to break the genjutsu
and Chakra rods involve the disruption of chakra flow therefore countering the genjutsu, especially when they are embedded throughout nagatos body,

-Tsukuyomi is the Genjutsu that works instantly, that's why it strains the eye and needs a large capacity of chakra, which isn't important issue here. The main point here is that it works instantly and can overcome and render his sensing abilities as being slow
-Agreed here, he can break it, but the question would be after how long since Itachi can alter the time in Tsukuyomi
Doesnt matter it still involves the built up in chakra, and nagato can sense it, and wiont be stupid enough to fall under it, and the fact that he can break the genjutsu, and with you agreeing with me on that, means that there isnt much to argue over,

as for the Bold - thats wrong, tsukuyomi itself does NOT occur instantly since itachi still has to execute this jutsu and his execution like every other character is NOT instant, furthermore tsukuyomi is only instant IF the opponent is alreayyd under the genjutsu, and even then its not instant, as time is still spent in the genjutsu, its just spent longer in the tsukuyomi, than the normal verse,

-That notion is another speculation
Your whole premise is speculation,

You first have to react and execute a movement before the technique manifests. Therefore, Itachi would be prepared for it. If he'd find himself in the situation of not evading it, he would at least be braced for the impact, and that's highly important in a battle of this caliber.
Nagatos reactions are still superior to Itachis, not to mention that ST is nigh instant, therefore all nagato has to do is think, and his attack is used,
Itachi is not being prepared for ST, especially seeing that no sensor has been able to percieve ST as well as the fact that the technique is almost instant,
him being braced for the impact is still meaningless if his susanoo is destroyed

Preta can't deal with Tsukuyomi and can't deal with Susanoo's slashes, such as with Totsuka. Not to mention his Taijutsu.
--Tsukuyomi is dealt with as stated by the reasons above and the previous arguments

--Preta easily absorbs susanoo slashes, they are manifested with chakra , which is food for preta, totsuka is the same, its stilll chakra meaning that it gets absorbed

--His taijutsu is utmost fodder infront of nagato, when ever KCM Naruto and Killer Bee (who are superiior to Itachi in this skill) got overwhelmed completely, thanks to extra limbs from shurado, as well as chakra rods and ningendo being able to finish itachi off with ease if he attempts that way of combat

Interesting scenario, but he can't pull him out if the Susanoo is complete or has a formed head. There's also no indication that BT can be that accurately pinpointed so it's speculative at best. If Susanoo can potentially sustain a Bijuudama, the ST is irrelevant then.
Itachi lacks legged susanoo variants, meaning that nagato can use BT under itachis feet and pull him out,
and , BT is different to ST since its more focused as
, and pulled him in despite killer bee and itachi being right next to him,
which is why BT can be used by nagato to pull itachi out,

not to mention that NONE of itachis susanoo variants have the durability even remotely comparable to PS, meaning that TBB are not tanked, and , and , implying that its at the very least comparable to a TBB

One of the best, is the key here. Itachi's reflexes weren't visible to a naked eye, and that was from his canonical self.
Rinnegan >>>> Naked Eye so that point is already moot,

Well, Preta has to be executed or be put in motion for it to work if. It's not constantly turned on like a shield. If Itachi is fast enough, he can bypass his reaction of activating it. And then any technique he has is relevant.
and once he senses them, he simply activates preta therefore absorbing the flames with ease,
none of itachis attacks are fast enough to blitz nagato and with that being said, he can and will use preta to render all his ninjutsu useless

But if it beats any attack, then that's pretty self-explanatory, wouldn't you think?
Yata mirror lacks feats, and even then, itachis susanoo either gets absorbed, destroyed or he gets pulled out, and killed by ningendo
 

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Nagato was also fighting KCM Naruto and Killer bee and nearly killed them despite being immobile, with only itachi to worry about, he takes him down easily


Lol How?? shared viision is a great counter to genjutsu, since nagato has more eyes and can then use these different views to break the genjutsu
and Chakra rods involve the disruption of chakra flow therefore countering the genjutsu, especially when they are embedded throughout nagatos body,


Doesnt matter it still involves the built up in chakra, and nagato can sense it, and wiont be stupid enough to fall under it, and the fact that he can break the genjutsu, and with you agreeing with me on that, means that there isnt much to argue over,

as for the Bold - thats wrong, tsukuyomi itself does NOT occur instantly since itachi still has to execute this jutsu and his execution like every other character is NOT instant, furthermore tsukuyomi is only instant IF the opponent is alreayyd under the genjutsu, and even then its not instant, as time is still spent in the genjutsu, its just spent longer in the tsukuyomi, than the normal verse,


Your whole premise is speculation,


Nagatos reactions are still superior to Itachis, not to mention that ST is nigh instant, therefore all nagato has to do is think, and his attack is used,
Itachi is not being prepared for ST, especially seeing that no sensor has been able to percieve ST as well as the fact that the technique is almost instant,
him being braced for the impact is still meaningless if his susanoo is destroyed


--Tsukuyomi is dealt with as stated by the reasons above and the previous arguments

--Preta easily absorbs susanoo slashes, they are manifested with chakra , which is food for preta, totsuka is the same, its stilll chakra meaning that it gets absorbed

--His taijutsu is utmost fodder infront of nagato, when ever KCM Naruto and Killer Bee (who are superiior to Itachi in this skill) got overwhelmed completely, thanks to extra limbs from shurado, as well as chakra rods and ningendo being able to finish itachi off with ease if he attempts that way of combat


Itachi lacks legged susanoo variants, meaning that nagato can use BT under itachis feet and pull him out,
and , BT is different to ST since its more focused as
, and pulled him in despite killer bee and itachi being right next to him,
which is why BT can be used by nagato to pull itachi out,

not to mention that NONE of itachis susanoo variants have the durability even remotely comparable to PS, meaning that TBB are not tanked, and , and , implying that its at the very least comparable to a TBB


Rinnegan >>>> Naked Eye so that point is already moot,


and once he senses them, he simply activates preta therefore absorbing the flames with ease,
none of itachis attacks are fast enough to blitz nagato and with that being said, he can and will use preta to render all his ninjutsu useless


Yata mirror lacks feats, and even then, itachis susanoo either gets absorbed, destroyed or he gets pulled out, and killed by ningendo

From all that beating around the bush since when can Nagato absorb susano and when does he break out of Tsukiyomi he will fall under it Danzo kakashi many did renniegan can't break it only an uchiha can break it kakashi couldt and Nagato himself alive dosent have metal rods since when does shared vision save him he can fall under Tsukyomi before he gets saved all eyes are linked one eye falls under it Nagato does then if you disagree itachi can just block it with kunai or amaterasu and itachi can just put him under ts before all of that Nagato ain't going to win by sensing stuff all the time he needs eye contact if he dosent he won't know when amaterasu hits
 

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From all that beating around the bush since when can Nagato absorb susano and when does he break out of Tsukiyomi he will fall under it Danzo kakashi many did renniegan can't break it only an uchiha can break it kakashi couldt and Nagato himself alive dosent have metal rods since when does shared vision save him he can fall under Tsukyomi before he gets saved all eyes are linked one eye falls under it Nagato does then if you disagree itachi can just block it with kunai or amaterasu and itachi can just put him under ts before all of that Nagato ain't going to win by sensing stuff all the time he needs eye contact if he dosent he won't know when amaterasu hits
1. Susanoo is chakra, that is manifestted in a physical form, its a chakra oriented ninjutsu which is what preta absorbs, furthermore madara had used preta to absorb jinton and susnaoo
, however once

2. Tsukuyomi is not happening since nagato is a sensor and would be able to sense the chakra in his eyes, therefore he can avoid it, not to mention that an equivalent or a superior genjutsu is required to break it, and with nagato having the rinnegan which is superio to the MS, means that nagato can break it,

3. As for Amaterasu Lol at the attack being any factor at all, therefore he activates preta and absorbs the flames with utmost ease,

4. CT, CST and GM Soul Dragon all 3 jutsus automatically give nagato the win, as itachi has no counters at all to these techniques

 

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1. Susanoo is chakra, that is manifestted in a physical form, its a chakra oriented ninjutsu which is what preta absorbs, furthermore madara had used preta to absorb jinton and susnaoo
, however once

2. Tsukuyomi is not happening since nagato is a sensor and would be able to sense the chakra in his eyes, therefore he can avoid it, not to mention that an equivalent or a superior genjutsu is required to break it, and with nagato having the rinnegan which is superio to the MS, means that nagato can break it,

3. As for Amaterasu Lol at the attack being any factor at all, therefore he activates preta and absorbs the flames with utmost ease,

4. CT, CST and GM Soul Dragon all 3 jutsus automatically give nagato the win, as itachi has no counters at all to these techniques

any justud is chakra based so Nagato absorbs Madaras ps that's silly he can't absorb susano it's not a ninjustu and being a sensor dosent help you to avoid Tsukyomi you'll still be caught in it he can sense amaterasu and Tsukyomi that's dosent mean he won't get hit by it and renniegan being superior to the ms doesn't mean it beats it techs no renniegan has more abilities that's why it's superior but he can't break out of a Tsukiyomi plus itachi's Tsukiyomi is the best in nb and and I said ct beats Itachi thats if Nagato dosent get Tsukiyomi or amaterasu or totsKa nagato can't absorb susano nor totsKa
 
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I like how people resort to making fanfic Itachi to even give him a chance against Nagato Lol. Hell the Six Paths of Pain are more than capable of defeating Itachi. Pitting Itachi against Nagato is just overkill.

Nagato wins as perfectly explained by Kilfflom. Also I would like to add the multiple summons from Nagato would prove to be quite troublesome for Itachi to handle together. Furthermore, Itachi has no counter to Nagato's invisible chamelon [ ] Which as we've seen Nagato always like to start off with summonings.
 

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any justud is chakra based so Nagato absorbs Madaras ps that's silly he can't absorb susano it's not a ninjustu and being a sensor dosent help you to avoid Tsukyomi you'll still be caught in it he can sense amaterasu and Tsukyomi that's dosent mean he won't get hit by it and renniegan being superior to the ms doesn't mean it beats it techs no renniegan has more abilities that's why it's superior but he can't break out of a Tsukiyomi plus itachi's Tsukiyomi is the best in nb and and I said ct beats Itachi thats if Nagato dosent get Tsukiyomi or amaterasu or totsKa nagato can't absorb susano nor totsKa
1. nagato can still absorb PS itll just take time, but its the shockwaves that he cant absorb, the shockwaves are not chakra based ninjutsu, and itachi doesnt have them therefore ur point is moot

2. Lol please, stop with the amatearsu and tsukuyomi, nagato senses them and evades the genjutsu, and can absorb the flames with ease seeing how easily he can sense the chakra built up for the flames

3. Nagato can absorb susanoo, I have already showed you that preta was able to absorb susanoo, ur just denying the manga scans now

4. To break a genjutsu you need equivalent or superior eyes, its common sense that he should be able to break it

 

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1. nagato can still absorb PS itll just take time, but its the shockwaves that he cant absorb, the shockwaves are not chakra based ninjutsu, and itachi doesnt have them therefore ur point is moot

2. Lol please, stop with the amatearsu and tsukuyomi, nagato senses them and evades the genjutsu, and can absorb the flames with ease seeing how easily he can sense the chakra built up for the flames

3. Nagato can absorb susanoo, I have already showed you that preta was able to absorb susanoo, ur just denying the manga scans now

4. To break a genjutsu you need equivalent or superior eyes, its common sense that he should be able to break it

no all your saying is that he absorbs and evades that's nonsense he can't absorb his susano and for the sake of argument let's say he does so he's absorbing Susano which will take time and goes towards nagato then he has totsKa coming his way to and Yata to crush him and having superior eyes dosent help you break out of Tsukiyomi if kakashi had ems he will still be in Tsukiyomi evading ain't saving you while he's absorbing his susano he has Yata and totsKa coming his way to kill him and Yata can block his attacks it blocks astral and physical attacks and in all that he has to watch out for Amaterasu
Your the one denying manga facts itachi even says it clearly you need to be an uchiha to break out of it kakashi couldt and no one escapes Tsukyomi everyone's been hit by even Danzo by a weaker user your just spamiinng this that are nonsense
 
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no all your saying is that he absorbs and evades that's nonsense he can't absorb his susano and for the sake of argument let's say he does so he's absorbing Susano which will take time and goes towards nagato then he has totsKa coming his way to and Yata to crush him
He can avoid eye contact thanks to his sensing, and therefore he evades genjutsu so yes it makes sense for me to use the word ''evade''
and as for the bold, im gna need proof, you need to proof that nagato cant absorb susanoo,
whereas i have given you proof on why he can, as well as common sense on why susanoo gets absorbed,

furthermore, totsuka is also getting absorbed, its manifested from chakra and only seals if the target is striked, nagato can counter the slash with ease through preta, and Yata ''crushing'' him is even funnier when the mirror has no feats whatsoever as well as the fact that itachi cant maintian his susanoo for extended periods of time due to the drawbacks of MS

and having superior eyes dosent help you break out of Tsukiyomi if kakashi had ems he will still be in Tsukiyomi evading ain't saving you while he's absorbing his susano he has Yata and totsKa coming his way to kill him and Yata can block his attacks it blocks astral and physical attacks and in all that he has to watch out for Amaterasu
he is not getting caught in tsukuyomi, thats that, and he can also use his shared vision to locate itachi, and attack him through ST before he executes any notable jutsu
yur premise is extremely flawed,
how on earth is itachi attacking with tsukuyomi, yata, totsuka and amaterasu all at the same time Lol,
not to mention that preta and deva troll on all these techniques completely

and as for the bold - Just No,
first yata has no offensive feats, secondly totsuka is still manifested with charka therefore it gets absorbed, not to mention that itachi would need to pump up even more chakra to maintain susanoo since nagato would be absorbing his susanoo according to ur premise,
furthermore itachi cant use his MS techniques due to the drawbacks, as nagato can also simply outlast him, seeing how itachi would need to use his susanoo to prevent himself from getting blown to peices or killed through ningendo,
he doesnt stand much of chance here


Your the one denying manga facts itachi even says it clearly you need to be an uchiha to break out of it kakashi couldt and no one escapes Tsukyomi everyone's been hit by even Danzo by a weaker user your just spamiinng this that are nonsense
Lol,please
genjutsu is not happening here and thats that, not to mention that chakra rods and shared vision help nagato counter it with ease

 

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From all that beating around the bush since when can Nagato absorb susano and when does he break out of Tsukiyomi he will fall under it Danzo kakashi many did renniegan can't break it only an uchiha can break it kakashi couldt and Nagato himself alive dosent have metal rods since when does shared vision save him he can fall under Tsukyomi before he gets saved all eyes are linked one eye falls under it Nagato does then if you disagree itachi can just block it with kunai or amaterasu and itachi can just put him under ts before all of that Nagato ain't going to win by sensing stuff all the time he needs eye contact if he dosent he won't know when amaterasu hits

any justud is chakra based so Nagato absorbs Madaras ps that's silly he can't absorb susano it's not a ninjustu and being a sensor dosent help you to avoid Tsukyomi you'll still be caught in it he can sense amaterasu and Tsukyomi that's dosent mean he won't get hit by it and renniegan being superior to the ms doesn't mean it beats it techs no renniegan has more abilities that's why it's superior but he can't break out of a Tsukiyomi plus itachi's Tsukiyomi is the best in nb and and I said ct beats Itachi thats if Nagato dosent get Tsukiyomi or amaterasu or totsKa nagato can't absorb susano nor totsKa

no all your saying is that he absorbs and evades that's nonsense he can't absorb his susano and for the sake of argument let's say he does so he's absorbing Susano which will take time and goes towards nagato then he has totsKa coming his way to and Yata to crush him and having superior eyes dosent help you break out of Tsukiyomi if kakashi had ems he will still be in Tsukiyomi evading ain't saving you while he's absorbing his susano he has Yata and totsKa coming his way to kill him and Yata can block his attacks it blocks astral and physical attacks and in all that he has to watch out for Amaterasu
Your the one denying manga facts itachi even says it clearly you need to be an uchiha to break out of it kakashi couldt and no one escapes Tsukyomi everyone's been hit by even Danzo by a weaker user your just spamiinng this that are nonsense
Stop with this nonsense already. Even Itachi disagrees with you.
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Stop with this nonsense already. Even Itachi disagrees with you.
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U mad bro y u replying for cuzz itachi wins and you can't take it ain't no nonsense it's the truth
 

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With manga knowledge, no perfect jinchurikis around to save him, and mobility granted to Nagato, Itachi loses this fight handily.

What should be noted is that even when healthy, Itachi has from using 2-3 MS techniques. Nagato being able to counter (comfortably) each MS technique does not bode well for Itachi lasting long in this fight.

Amaterasu can be anticipated as it was in canon via sensing, then countered with Nagato either throwing , Shinra Tensei( ), or absorbing the flames via Preta Path. The same applies for all of Itachi's other offensive ninjutsu.

Tsukuyomi requires Nagato to look into Itachi's eyes, something he is not going to do with knowledge. The same applies for Sharingan genjutsu in general. Even the one genjutsu Itachi casts with his finger requires the target to be looking at said finger in the first place, which Nagato can avoid via ... not looking at Itachi's finger. And he doesn't need to, not when his sensor skills help him anticipate attacks, and his animal summons provide extra viewpoints for him (which also don't have to look into Itachi's eyes).

Stating that the finger genjutsu would work on Nagato at all is unlikely, seeing that the only person who fell for it was a Naruto inexperienced with defending against genjutsu. Even then, Naruto still succeeded in to some extent, as the purpose of the genjutsu was to . Compare that with a man who can create genjutsu shields in his minions that are so powerful , is able to tell whether he is under genjutsu thanks to sensing and the discrepancies from his own vision compared to the viewpoints of his summons, and the fact that jounin level ninja like Kurenai were able to break out of Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu by , and it becomes more likely that Nagato can easily break out of finger genjutsu (assuming he falls under it in the first place), and any non MS genjutsu Itachi uses.

Susano'o upon the body of an MS user, so much pain that the user even the technique for lengthened periods of time. Itachi shouldn't even bother using any version of Susano'o lower than the Final version, seeing that Sasuke's V3 Susano'o got a hole ripped into it with . Nagato's destructive feats handily trump that attack even through the Paths, as is seen with , and . A Healthy Nagato's version of each attack blasts through Susano'o and Itachi without much difficulty.

On top of all of this, it takes time for Itachi to form his Final Version of Susano'o, time in which Nagato could just summon his bird, take to the air, and rain Asura Path missiles on the parts of Susano'o not protected by the shield. Any Magatamas Itachi tries to throw up get blasted back at him with Shinra Tensei, overwhelmed with an Asura Path chakra cannon, or outright dodged thanks to Nagato sensing it coming.

Nagato could outlast Itachi if he wanted to, and there isn't much Itachi can do about it. He's going to need Amaterasu to deal with summons like the immortal multiplying dog, the bull and the rhino due to their sheer size and strength. And even in the dog's case, Nagato could just choose to keep them in their separated forms to give Itachi even more targets to waste his chakra on.

On the other hand, if Nagato's particularly pissed that day, he could just use Chibaku Tensei and crush Itachi in a mini moon. And no, Itachi's Yasaka Magatama ( ) is not enough to destroy the core, not when none of the Magatamas used within the manga have shown destructive capacity even coming close to 4 tailed Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb:
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This is important simply because a stronger version of that Kyuubi Naruto also tried , and . Thus Itachi has no hope of stopping Chibaku Tensei and would either lose via being crushed to death, or suffocation, whichever happens first. Gedo Mazo with its casual shockwaves and soul sucking dragons is also a game-ender.
 

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He can avoid eye contact thanks to his sensing, and therefore he evades genjutsu so yes it makes sense for me to use the word ''evade''
and as for the bold, im gna need proof, you need to proof that nagato cant absorb susanoo,
whereas i have given you proof on why he can, as well as common sense on why susanoo gets absorbed,

furthermore, totsuka is also getting absorbed, its manifested from chakra and only seals if the target is striked, nagato can counter the slash with ease through preta, and Yata ''crushing'' him is even funnier when the mirror has no feats whatsoever as well as the fact that itachi cant maintian his susanoo for extended periods of time due to the drawbacks of MS


he is not getting caught in tsukuyomi, thats that, and he can also use his shared vision to locate itachi, and attack him through ST before he executes any notable jutsu
yur premise is extremely flawed,
how on earth is itachi attacking with tsukuyomi, yata, totsuka and amaterasu all at the same time Lol,
not to mention that preta and deva troll on all these techniques completely

and as for the bold - Just No,
first yata has no offensive feats, secondly totsuka is still manifested with charka therefore it gets absorbed, not to mention that itachi would need to pump up even more chakra to maintain susanoo since nagato would be absorbing his susanoo according to ur premise,
furthermore itachi cant use his MS techniques due to the drawbacks, as nagato can also simply outlast him, seeing how itachi would need to use his susanoo to prevent himself from getting blown to peices or killed through ningendo,
he doesnt stand much of chance here



Lol,please
genjutsu is not happening here and thats that, not to mention that chakra rods and shared vision help nagato counter it with ease

No genjustu is happening is not just that that shared vision can get blocked by kunai or even one gets in Tsukiyomi they all do and Yata and totsKa are spirit items they can't get absorbed if it works like that's then he absorbs everything in naruto universe and also Yata and totsKa aren't getting absorbed that's that and if he dosent look at itachi's eyes he ain't winning no one can and if he dosent look he won't know when amaterasu hits him and I dont need proof of nagato absorbing Susano because he cant and if he does like again totsKa coming his way and also it will take him time itachi'sTsukiyomi will work that's that last I checked he a normal healthy living nagato won't need rods if there no paths itachi's dosent need to a atack at the same time he absorbs susano totsKa comes his way and he's finished he can't absorb it if he could he would have when itachi pierced him silly logic not just that Yata will crush him and it's blocks astral and physical attack there's that there's also Tsukiyomi shared vision is from the same person so they all get genjustu let's just say for the sake of argument they don't itachi covers it with kunai or amaterasu shared vision is only by his summons about outlasting it's like that when itachi is fighting to kill fight will be over quick enough and a sick ill itachi took Sasuke to his limits used amaterasu to an extent and took on hydra with his highest susano even Sasuke couldt keep up a full Susano once for long in kage summit imagine a healthy itachi or forget that make it fair give nagato his max health and power it's not his renniegan anyway but for the sake of argument and give itachi ems healthy and he lived no rebellions no illness and he would have developed ps itachi is superior that's his power nagato was given that power
 

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With manga knowledge, no perfect jinchurikis around to save him, and mobility granted to Nagato, Itachi loses this fight handily.

What should be noted is that even when healthy, Itachi has from using 2-3 MS techniques. Nagato being able to counter (comfortably) each MS technique does not bode well for Itachi lasting long in this fight.

Amaterasu can be anticipated as it was in canon via sensing, then countered with Nagato either throwing , Shinra Tensei( ), or absorbing the flames via Preta Path. The same applies for all of Itachi's other offensive ninjutsu.

Tsukuyomi requires Nagato to look into Itachi's eyes, something he is not going to do with knowledge. The same applies for Sharingan genjutsu in general. Even the one genjutsu Itachi casts with his finger requires the target to be looking at said finger in the first place, which Nagato can avoid via ... not looking at Itachi's finger. And he doesn't need to, not when his sensor skills help him anticipate attacks, and his animal summons provide extra viewpoints for him (which also don't have to look into Itachi's eyes).

Stating that the finger genjutsu would work on Nagato at all is unlikely, seeing that the only person who fell for it was a Naruto inexperienced with defending against genjutsu. Even then, Naruto still succeeded in to some extent, as the purpose of the genjutsu was to . Compare that with a man who can create genjutsu shields in his minions that are so powerful , is able to tell whether he is under genjutsu thanks to sensing and the discrepancies from his own vision compared to the viewpoints of his summons, and the fact that jounin level ninja like Kurenai were able to break out of Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu by , and it becomes more likely that Nagato can easily break out of finger genjutsu (assuming he falls under it in the first place), and any non MS genjutsu Itachi uses.

Susano'o upon the body of an MS user, so much pain that the user even the technique for lengthened periods of time. Itachi shouldn't even bother using any version of Susano'o lower than the Final version, seeing that Sasuke's V3 Susano'o got a hole ripped into it with . Nagato's destructive feats handily trump that attack even through the Paths, as is seen with , and . A Healthy Nagato's version of each attack blasts through Susano'o and Itachi without much difficulty.

On top of all of this, it takes time for Itachi to form his Final Version of Susano'o, time in which Nagato could just summon his bird, take to the air, and rain Asura Path missiles on the parts of Susano'o not protected by the shield. Any Magatamas Itachi tries to throw up get blasted back at him with Shinra Tensei, overwhelmed with an Asura Path chakra cannon, or outright dodged thanks to Nagato sensing it coming.

Nagato could outlast Itachi if he wanted to, and there isn't much Itachi can do about it. He's going to need Amaterasu to deal with summons like the immortal multiplying dog, the bull and the rhino due to their sheer size and strength. And even in the dog's case, Nagato could just choose to keep them in their separated forms to give Itachi even more targets to waste his chakra on.

On the other hand, if Nagato's particularly pissed that day, he could just use Chibaku Tensei and crush Itachi in a mini moon. And no, Itachi's Yasaka Magatama ( ) is not enough to destroy the core, not when none of the Magatamas used within the manga have shown destructive capacity even coming close to 4 tailed Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb:
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This is important simply because a stronger version of that Kyuubi Naruto also tried , and . Thus Itachi has no hope of stopping Chibaku Tensei and would either lose via being crushed to death, or suffocation, whichever happens first. Gedo Mazo with its casual shockwaves and soul sucking dragons is also a game-ender.
Kyuubi didt aim at the week point of ct stop comment bs and it's healthy itachi he dosent have stamina or chakra issues nagato ain't winning if he looks in itachi's eyes no one can and if he dosent he gets hit by amaterasu there's no manga fact in the manga itachi saved bee and naruto and finished nagato and Nagato has nonthing to break itachi's susano dont say he absorbs it if he does yata and totsKa come his way to crush him and if he could he would have absorbed it when he got pierced shared vision can get blocked By kunai summon amaterasu nagato tsukuyomi or totsKa St ain't killing itachi it didt even kill anyone it pushes and pulls if he pulls he pulls totsKa if he pushes that ain't do in any damage your just making up your kind of fight what makes you think missile can even beat and lower level susano of Sasuke Kirn couldt
 
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Kyuubi didt aim at the week point of ct stop comment bs

Irrelevant. The bijuu bomb would have still been attracted to the core due to the nature of Chibaku Tensei, it still drilled through the rocks surrounding the core as was shown in the scans provided, and still did nothing. Yasaka Magatama will be even less successful.

and it's sick itachi he dosent have stamina or chakra issues

What evidence do you have that Itachi had his sickness in Part One?

nagato ain't winning if he looms in itachi's eyes

Already answered in the post you responded to.

no one can and if he dosent he gets hit by amaterasu

Which is anticipated with sensing and blocked with Animal Path, Shinra Tensei or Preta Path, which are all counters provided in the post you respondedto.

there's no manga fact in the manga itachi saved bee and naruto and finished nagato and Nagato has nonthing to break itachi's susano

He does, as was pointed out in the post you responded to.

shared vision can get blocked BT kunai summon amaterasu nagato tsukuyomi or totsKa

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

St ain't killing itachi it didt even kill anyone

... except for all those persons killed in Konoha that .

it pushes and pulls if he pulls he pulls totsKa if he pushes that ain't do in any damage

It doesn't do any damage ... yet it puts a crater where Konoha was and oneshots boss toads.
 

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Irrelevant. The bijuu bomb would have still been attracted to the core due to the nature of Chibaku Tensei, it still drilled through the rocks surrounding the core as was shown in the scans provided, and still did nothing. Yasaka Magatama will be even less successful.



What evidence do you have that Itachi had his sickness in Part One?8



Already answered in the post you responded to.



Which is anticipated with sensing and blocked with Animal Path, Shinra Tensei or Preta Path, which are all counters provided in the post you respondedto.



He does, as was pointed out in the post you responded to.



I have no idea what you're trying to say here.



... except for all those persons killed in Konoha that .



It doesn't do any damage ... yet it puts a crater where Konoha was and oneshots boss toads.
and another bs really St didt kill anyone kakshi was still alive Chouji survived his dad was barely alive how could that kill itachi if he has susano last I checked toads didt have susano and I said if Nagato dosent look at itachi's eyes he ain't winning no not in his lifetime and if he dosent look he gets amaterasu and if he pulls itachi he pulls susano along with totsKa he can get killed by many things and itachi also outsmart him and the when the kyuubi started firing Bijuu bombs it was to late since the weak point was coverd by dozens of big rocks and itachi found out its weakness in less then a min he even counter his shared vision with all of that Nagato has nonthing that's why he got pierced by totsKa and he can't absorb totsKa as it's a spirit weapon and if he could Kabuto would have what evidence I have is edo itachi he's dead not sick what happened to Nagato Kabuto and your not stupid the whole time itachi was living he was sick and it's funny how you compare sick itachi to Nagato and imaginary add legs to Nagato and have sick itachi
 

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and another bs really St didt kill anyone kakshi was still alive Chouji survived his dad was barely alive how could that kill itachi if he has susano last I checked toads didt have susano and I said if Nagato dosent look at itachi's eyes he ain't winning no not in his lifetime and if he dosent look he gets amaterasu and if he pulls itachi he pulls susano along with totsKa he can get killed by many things and itachi also outsmart him and the when the kyuubi started firing Bijuu bombs it was to late since the weak point was coverd by dozens of big rocks and itachi found out its weakness in less then a min he even counter his shared vision with all of that Nagato has nonthing that's why he got pierced by totsKa and he can't absorb totsKa as it's a spirit weapon and if he could Kabuto would have what evidence I have is edo itachi he's dead not sick what happened to Nagato Kabuto and your not stupid the whole time itachi was living he was sick and it's funny how you compare sick itachi to Nagato and imaginary add legs to Nagato and have sick itachi

You're literally just asserting the same points that were discussed in my first post with no evidence behind them, and not taking into consideration the fact that Shinra Tensei can have different degrees of strength whilst still possessing the 5 second cooldown, the fact that Nagato is a sensor, and the fact that even 4 tailed Kyuubi Naruto's bijuu bomb trumps Itachi's Yasaka Magatama in strength. Either start providing some evidence for your posts or I won't bother responding.
 
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