Itachi vs. Nagato (detailed analysis for an imagined fight)

[Romy9]

I'll try to be as objective as possible.

Both of them are healthy, meaning Itachi isn't sick or blind, he has MS, but he isn't handicapped by the consequences of its excessive usage. We can even say it's like EMS.

Nagato isn't crippled and he uses all of Paths with his own body.

They both have intel on each other.

Overview of stats and their advantages and disadvantages.​

Itachi's canon stats with his canonical self are all maxed out except Stamina, Strength and Taijutsu which is near max. Let's consider those as normal boundaries. However, those boundaries greatly increase with Itachi's health so, the normal boundary maxed stats get even more increase in each respective ability. The ones in which he's lacking, Taijutsu gets maxed for sure, Stamina and Strength increase, but not to the max. I think that's fair.

Now, we don't have any official stats for Nagato, but let's try to assume fairly his pros and cons. We're talking about the normal stat boundaries, meaning about canonical him. He's an Uzumaki so he definitely has maxed out Stamina. I think it's safe to say that Ninjutsu and Seals are also maxed. I'd put his Strength at nearly max, Taijutsu, Speed and Intelligence in the middle and Genjutsu at very low. With removing normal boundaries, because he isn't crippled, I'd put his Speed and Taijutsu at max. Seems fair to me. Don't bash me if it doesn't work out with your opinion, I'm only trying here.

The actual fight.​

Itachi has obvious advantages in stats if we look at this scenario. Nagato fans will probably be pissed but I tried to make it as much as non-fanboyish as possible, I promise.

We can't discuss much as how the actual fight would go on, but as far as pros and cons go, Itachi has advantage with MS techs, Totsuka and Yata. Nagato's stamina would surely stand out and his trump card is Chibaku Tensei. It really seems like a powerful technique and Itachi wouldn't be able to destroy it with Susanoo orbs since he needed Naruto and Bee to help with that. He could defend himself with his Susanoo, which would obviously be a lot more powerful since he's healthy. If Susanoo doesn't work, Yata Mirror could, there's no reason why not. In that scenario Nagato loses definitely. Nagato could pretty easily win against Itachi if he grabbed him and sucked his chakra. Itachi has a small chakra pool so it wouldn't be difficult. But here's the problem, Nagato isn't as fast and intelligent as Itachi.
His reflexes allow him the near-invisible usage of seals and the immense intelligence allows him to trap Nagato in his event manipulation by thinking a few steps ahead.

It would no doubt be an awesome fight, but ultimately, I go for Itachi winning it high difficulty. I tried to be as much fair as I could. Let's be civilized and discuss it. Thanks.

 

[naruto7861]

Itachi is superior to Nagato overall if he lived he would have developed his susano to ps level however I think if it's current itachi he's still superior to Nagato however if current itachi was to fight Nagato he would lose only because of cb he counters Nagatos summons he beats his speed better at taijustu Nagato has better ninjustu however I even think he can win if he spams amaterasu and we don't even know if Tsukiyomi works if it works he stomps Nagato but overall itachu is better if he was at his best which means he will have ps his susano will be big and Nagato can't do anything it might even have wings

 

[NSUNSR]

I'm not into debating this too much, but Nagato is clearly superior. His powers have a lot more Hax, and his DC is massively superior. In fact nothing can suggest that Itachi can survive a simple push from ST, and since Itachi doesn't know when Nagato will use ST, Itachi won't try protecting himself with Susanoo.

 

[naruto7861]

I'm not into debating this too much, but Nagato is clearly superior. His powers have a lot more Hax, and his DC is massively superior. In fact nothing can suggest that Itachi can survive a simple push from ST, and since Itachi doesn't know when Nagato will use ST, Itachi won't try protecting himself with Susanoo.

Nothing can suggests Nagato can not counter Tsukiyomi or evade amaterasu or pass his susano other then cb and itachi is superior in he lived he would have ps

 

[Romy9]

I'm not into debating this too much, but Nagato is clearly superior. His powers have a lot more Hax, and his DC is massively superior. In fact nothing can suggest that Itachi can survive a simple push from ST, and since Itachi doesn't know when Nagato will use ST, Itachi won't try protecting himself with Susanoo.

Hmm, if Susanoo activates as soon as Itachi wants it to in his mind, he could protect himself. And then it's game over, because I'm sure Itachi would more than exploit the 5 second cooldown.

There's also a scenario in which Nagato could be deceived into using ST on a clone. Remember Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai. Kurenai and Asuma didn't even notice when he made a clone.

 

[naruto7861]

Hmm, if Susanoo activates as soon as Itachi wants it to in his mind, he could protect himself. And then it's game over, because I'm sure Itachi would more than exploit the 5 second cooldown.

Why is this even debatable itachi can just spam amaterasu or use Tsukiyomi and what Itachi developed ps he would stomp

 

[Romy9]

Why is this even debatable itachi can just spam amaterasu or use Tsukiyomi

It's debatable because Amaterasu is a Ninjutsu and he can theoretically negate it. We don't know if Tsukuyomi works on Rinnegan or not. I think it does, but it's just speculation.

 

[ARGUS]

Nagato wins this mid diff

--Preta completely trolls on any of itachis MS techniques, and with nagato being able to sense amaterasu well before its spawned, this is done so rather easily,

--Boss sized ST, along with Shurado missiles,can bust any of itachis susanoos variants (which itachi cant maintain for long) and with multiple summons serving as a good diversion, this is also done so quite easily

--BT can also be used to pull itachi out of his susanoo which doesnt have legs, or nagato can absorb his susanoo through preta and proceed to overwhelm him through shurado and immobilise him through chakra rods, allowing him to finish itachi off through ningendo

--Itachi also lacks the firepower to counter CT, meaning that its simply GG for him, Gedo Mazo soul dragon would also give nagato the win, as well as CST from point blank range,

 

[Romy9]

Nagato wins this mid diff

--Preta completely trolls on any of itachis MS techniques, and with nagato being able to sense amaterasu well before its spawned, this is done so rather easily,

--Boss sized ST, along with Shurado missiles,can bust any of itachis susanoos variants (which itachi cant maintain for long) and with multiple summons serving as a good diversion, this is also done so quite easily

--BT can also be used to pull itachi out of his susanoo which doesnt have legs, or nagato can absorb his susanoo through preta and proceed to overwhelm him through shurado and immobilise him through chakra rods, allowing him to finish itachi off through ningendo

--Itachi also lacks the firepower to counter CT, meaning that its simply GG for him, Gedo Mazo soul dragon would also give nagato the win, as well as CST from point blank range,

Genjutsu is questionable.

Not so easily. Itachi is quick enough to react and send the orbs towards it but that's only if I humor the scenario. Susanoo doesn't crack that easily.

That all applies if Itachi stands like a rock. Also, it's questionable whether ST works through Susanoo.

Doubt point blank range is possible here, but if Itachi wanted to use firepower, the orbs from his Susanoo would be enough. But I doubt he'd fight in such a fashion.

 

[Conspirator.]

Yata blocks each and every attack from Nagato.

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Totsuka pierces through any of Nagato's defences!

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And BZ, the god of the NV said that Shitachi is invincible!

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So in conclusion, Shitachi shitstomps Nagato neg diff! GG

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Not really. Nagato wins mid diff. Once CT comes out, it's GG.

 

[ARGUS]

Genjutsu is questionable.

Sensing skills, shared vision, and chakra rods providing a disturbance in chakra, enable him to counter genjutsu

Not so easily. Itachi is quick enough to react and send the orbs towards it but that's only if I humor the scenario. Susanoo doesn't crack that easily.

Itachi is not sensing ST, nor is he reacting to an untracebale shockwave,
''susanoo not cracking easily'' doesnt matter since nagato can easily outlast him, and the fact that danzos fuuton bust a hole in V3,
Boss sized ST one-shotted all 3 gama toads with ease, and is on a whole other level,
not that it mattters since nagato can also use BT to pull itachi out of his susanoo or simply absorb his susanoo through preta

That all applies if Itachi stands like a rock. Also, it's questionable whether ST works through Susanoo.

Why wont it??
its a blunt force that has a shockwave just like hirudora which destroyed susanoo in canon

Doubt point blank range is possible here, but if Itachi wanted to use firepower, the orbs from his Susanoo would be enough. But I doubt he'd fight in such a fashion.

It is very possible, Lol
Nagato can absorb any attack that itachi would throw at him if he proceeds to close the distance, and he has also shown to be able to use multiple paths at the same time, therefore he can counter itachis attacks through preta whilst using deva to attack him as well

In short, Nagato can finish this off with CT, CST and GM soul dragon he has 3 ways to end itachi here completely

 

[Bronze]

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[Romy9]

Sensing skills, shared vision, and chakra rods providing a disturbance in chakra, enable him to counter genjutsu

Itachi is not sensing ST, nor is he reacting to an untracebale shockwave,
''susanoo not cracking easily'' doesnt matter since nagato can easily outlast him, and the fact that danzos fuuton bust a hole in V3,
Boss sized ST one-shotted all 3 gama toads with ease, and is on a whole other level,
not that it mattters since nagato can also use BT to pull itachi out of his susanoo or simply absorb his susanoo through preta


Why wont it??
its a blunt force that has a shockwave just like hirudora which destroyed susanoo in canon


It is very possible, Lol
Nagato can absorb any attack that itachi would throw at him if he proceeds to close the distance, and he has also shown to be able to use multiple paths at the same time, therefore he can counter itachis attacks through preta whilst using deva to attack him as well

In short, Nagato can finish this off with CT, CST and GM soul dragon he has 3 ways to end itachi here completely

Itachi is a Genjutsu specialist with Tsukuyomi. I doubt the same rules apply. Shared vision was a benefit with multiple bodies. Chakra rods are questionable items here, but even with them, sensing the disturbance wouldn't do much if Tsukuyomi works.

He's reacting to Nagato's movement, he doesn't need to "sense" ST. Outlasting is another option for Nagato winning, but there too many variables here for that too happen since Itachi is an analytical type of fighter with a few-steps-ahead thinking. Your speculative scenarios work only if Itachi was slow enough. That's why I emphasized on his speed. He'd be too fast for those scenarios.

If Susanoo defends him from attacks, it means it can't pass right through it. That's why the shockwave of ST wouldn't go through, same as BT, if it can't pull him out of Susanoo.

Using multiple paths is fine, but he wouldn't have the luxury of doing so with Itachi's reflexes and speed of hand seals. There's a pretty big chance he wouldn't be able to keep up using some paths while Itachi executes barrage of his techniques.

Why do you think CT can overcome Yata?

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[ARGUS]

Itachi is a Genjutsu specialist with Tsukuyomi. I doubt the same rules apply. Shared vision was a benefit with multiple bodies. Chakra rods are questionable items here, but even with them, sensing the disturbance wouldn't do much if Tsukuyomi works.

--Shared vision is still applicable thanks to multiple summons,

--Chakra rods should work as well

--Tsukuyomi clearly involves the use of chakra to form the genjutsu, and itachi getting strained from using this jutsu is further proof of this, nagato being a sensor should be able to sense the building chakra and thus wont be stupid enough to look directly at his eyes

--He can also break the genjutus, since to break the genjutsu an equivalent or stronger dojutsu is needed, and Rinnegan > MS therefore nagato should be able to,

--There is also the notion that visual genjutsu is ineffective against the rinnegan

He's reacting to Nagato's movement, he doesn't need to "sense" ST. Outlasting is another option for Nagato winning, but there too many variables here for that too happen since Itachi is an analytical type of fighter with a few-steps-ahead thinking. Your speculative scenarios work only if Itachi was slow enough. That's why I emphasized on his speed. He'd be too fast for those scenarios.

Nagatos movements =/= ST
ST is nigh instant and also has a vast AOE meaning that itachi isnt evading it either,

analytical or not, itachi doesnt have an answer for nagatos firepower, nor does he have any way at all to hurt him since preta completely trolls on ALL his jutsus,
he also needs to use his susanoo to protect himself from getting blown to peices by ST
and with susanoo draining him out as well as nagato being able to either destroy it or absorb it makes it completely moot

If Susanoo defends him from attacks, it means it can't pass right through it. That's why the shockwave of ST wouldn't go through, same as BT, if it can't pull him out of Susanoo.

He can use BT on itachis feet to pull him out,
and unlike ST, BT is alot more focused therefore allowing nagato to focus his force underneath itachis feet and attack him similar to how gaara took madara out in canon,

and if a shockwave of ST is strong enough (which it is for stronger variants) then susanoo is getting destroyed

Using multiple paths is fine, but he wouldn't have the luxury of doing so with Itachi's reflexes and speed of hand seals. There's a pretty big chance he wouldn't be able to keep up using some paths while Itachi executes barrage of his techniques.

Lol, Nagatos reflexes have been one of the best in the manga, on top of his sensing skills,
he managed to nearly kill KCM Naruto (who is faster than itachi) and Killer bee whilst being immobile
he can decipher itachis hand seals quite easily,

@Bold - what techniques?? any of his effective technique gets negated by preta, and CQC is just suicide for him due to shurado, charkra rods and ningendo,

Why do you think CT can overcome Yata?

Because Yata has no feats at all, to suggest that it could tank it, nor does itachi have anyway of destroying the orb before it formulates too much meaning that it crushes him,

 

[Romy9]

--Shared vision is still applicable thanks to multiple summons,

--Chakra rods should work as well

--Tsukuyomi clearly involves the use of chakra to form the genjutsu, and itachi getting strained from using this jutsu is further proof of this, nagato being a sensor should be able to sense the building chakra and thus wont be stupid enough to look directly at his eyes

--He can also break the genjutus, since to break the genjutsu an equivalent or stronger dojutsu is needed, and Rinnegan > MS therefore nagato should be able to,

--There is also the notion that visual genjutsu is ineffective against the rinnegan


Nagatos movements =/= ST
ST is nigh instant and also has a vast AOE meaning that itachi isnt evading it either,

analytical or not, itachi doesnt have an answer for nagatos firepower, nor does he have any way at all to hurt him since preta completely trolls on ALL his jutsus,
he also needs to use his susanoo to protect himself from getting blown to peices by ST
and with susanoo draining him out as well as nagato being able to either destroy it or absorb it makes it completely moot


He can use BT on itachis feet to pull him out,
and unlike ST, BT is alot more focused therefore allowing nagato to focus his force underneath itachis feet and attack him similar to how gaara took madara out in canon,

and if a shockwave of ST is strong enough (which it is for stronger variants) then susanoo is getting destroyed


Lol, Nagatos reflexes have been one of the best in the manga, on top of his sensing skills,
he managed to nearly kill KCM Naruto (who is faster than itachi) and Killer bee whilst being immobile
he can decipher itachis hand seals quite easily,

@Bold - what techniques?? any of his effective technique gets negated by preta, and CQC is just suicide for him due to shurado, charkra rods and ningendo,

Because Yata has no feats at all, to suggest that it could tank it, nor does itachi have anyway of destroying the orb before it formulates too much meaning that it crushes him,

-Remember what happened to summons before Nagato and Kabuto even realized or sensed it (not dependent on Naruto or Bee)
-Speculation
-Tsukuyomi is the Genjutsu that works instantly, that's why it strains the eye and needs a large capacity of chakra, which isn't important issue here. The main point here is that it works instantly and can overcome and render his sensing abilities as being slow
-Agreed here, he can break it, but the question would be after how long since Itachi can alter the time in Tsukuyomi
-That notion is another speculation

You first have to react and execute a movement before the technique manifests. Therefore, Itachi would be prepared for it. If he'd find himself in the situation of not evading it, he would at least be braced for the impact, and that's highly important in a battle of this caliber.
Preta can't deal with Tsukuyomi and can't deal with Susanoo's slashes, such as with Totsuka. Not to mention his Taijutsu.

Interesting scenario, but he can't pull him out if the Susanoo is complete or has a formed head. There's also no indication that BT can be that accurately pinpointed so it's speculative at best. If Susanoo can potentially sustain a Bijuudama, the ST is irrelevant then.

One of the best, is the key here. Itachi's reflexes weren't visible to a naked eye, and that was from his canonical self.
Well, Preta has to be executed or be put in motion for it to work if. It's not constantly turned on like a shield. If Itachi is fast enough, he can bypass his reaction of activating it. And then any technique he has is relevant.

But if it beats any attack, then that's pretty self-explanatory, wouldn't you think?

 

[super yang]

Itachi is at the peak of kage level
Nagato is the 1st chara to go beyong kage level

 

[naruto7861]

Just to end this thread why do you think in the manga Nagato got totsKa blade right after cb cuzz other then that Nagato has nothing on itachi and people stop hyping St that didt even kill anyone even kakashi didt get killed by it amaterasu is enough for Nagato he can't absorb he can repel then 5 sec interval then amaterasu and in my opinion Tsukiyomi works so itachi wins

 

[Beans2]

Fanfiction Itachi still loses.

There's either an alive/sick Itachi or an Edo Itachi. There's no such thing as "alive Itachi that isn't handicapped by excessive MS usafe". So your post is already biased. But Nagato wins anyway.

 

[super yang]

Just to end this thread why do you think in the manga Nagato got totsKa blade right after cb cuzz other then that Nagato has nothing on itachi and people stop hyping St that didt even kill anyone even kakashi didt get killed by it amaterasu is enough for Nagato he can't absorb he can repel then 5 sec interval then amaterasu and in my opinion Tsukiyomi works so itachi wins

5 second interval only applies to 1/6 deva path, not nagato

 

[Romy9]

Fanfiction Itachi still loses.

There's either an alive/sick Itachi or an Edo Itachi. There's no such thing as "alive Itachi that isn't handicapped by excessive MS usafe". So your post is already biased. But Nagato wins anyway.

Then every imagined VS battle is biased as well. Nice logic, buddy.