Itachi vs Mu

[Strict]

@Bogard, you use Kakashi's weakness for Itachi (what is legit though), but I bet if it's Kakashi vs Mu, Kakashi snipes with Kamui according to you. Just going invisible and killing Kakashi with a sword.

MS Madara toyed with Onoki and Mu, they were shit to him, it seems that his invisibility means shit for opponents of that level.

 

[Rιver]

Alive Itachi can't use eye techniques accurately due to his troubled vision. A flying opponent like Muu has a chance to take advantage of this especially if he can be invisible and even his own student had difficulties to find him.

Since he has no chakra in this form as well, Sharingan is also useless. Only contact sensing seems to be capable to identify him. Though Mu can't fire Jinton while being invisible as well and jinton formation time takes quite a while, so Itachi would have to aim at that if he wants to win.

Problem however is that Mu can dodge all his attacks from that far a distance and he isn't forced to use Jinton either. He can try to remain invisible and kill him with a sword he seemed to be proficient in. Itachi would need Susanoo to counter him in this case, but due to drawbacks, plus his stamina, it's not something he can maintain forever. I see Muu winning more times than not

Clearly people don't know how Meisagakure works, smh. His invisibility comes from when he controls the light reflecting from his body with Chakra, creating e.g mirage that seems him to be invisible; so clearly, he has Chakra. The technique varies through skill, some advanced can hide their Chakra signature like Mū (color, signature when detected with sensory etc.). And this works only on the sensory ninja's.

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This jutsu is useless in front of the Sharingan.​

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Clearly people don't know how Meisagakure works, smh. His invisibility comes from when he controls the light reflecting from his body with Chakra, creating e.g mirage that seems him to be invisible; so clearly, he has Chakra. The technique varies through skill, some advanced can hide their Chakra signature like Mū (color, signature when detected with sensory etc.). And this works only on the sensory ninja's.

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This jutsu is useless in front of the Sharingan.​

If ur gonna post descriptions of Justus dnt leave out the parts that turns ur arguement into shit

"The Second Tsuchikage, Mū's mastery of this technique helped earn him the moniker "Non-Person" (無人, Mujin; Viz "Null Man"), having neither a physical form, nor detectable chakra, while the technique was active. Thus, he could not be detected through traditional means.["

He doesn't have detectable chakra , sharigan sees chakra no chakra means no seeing pass invisibility that's final stop arguing nonsense u cannot prove

 

[Bogard]

@Bogard, you use Kakashi's weakness for Itachi (what is legit though), but I bet if it's Kakashi vs Mu, Kakashi snipes with Kamui according to you. Just going invisible and killing Kakashi with a sword.

MS Madara toyed with Onoki and Mu, they were shit to him, it seems that his invisibility means shit for opponents of that level.

Kakashi doesn't need his sharingan to detect invisible targets(Kakashi gaiden shows that). U_U Hell even in this war he was capable to notice Madara's presence behind him despite it being impossible to sense his chakra without sennin modo

Yes Madara defeated them, but how do you know it was MS and not EMS? Besides, Madara isn't Itachi

- Itachi can't identify clones from original with his eye powers. Madara can
- Itachi doesn't have a choku tomoe that gives a better reading capacity. Madara does
- Itachi doesn't possess high scale range attacks. Madara possess Jubi size katons. Even if he doesn't know exactly where his opponent is, with his range attacks, he has more chance to get them than Itachi

Madara is just an exception and can't be compared to Itachi U_U

@Versta clearly you didn't read the manga. Can't post the scan at the moment, but during his introduction, Mu has been said to be a chakra and oder-less Kage. Sharingan can't see shit U_U

 

[DMT]

Clearly people don't know how Meisagakure works, smh. His invisibility comes from when he controls the light reflecting from his body with Chakra, creating e.g mirage that seems him to be invisible; so clearly, he has Chakra. The technique varies through skill, some advanced can hide their Chakra signature like Mū (color, signature when detected with sensory etc.). And this works only on the sensory ninja's.

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This jutsu is useless in front of the Sharingan.​

You mean Taiseki . Are you compare this fodder with the non-person "Muu-jin"

Taiseki hides his presence ..

muu hides his presence and his chakra


Entire SA HQ admit they can't detect him .. muu's mastery of this technique helped to earn him the moniker "non-person"

 

[Rιver]

If ur gonna post descriptions of Justus dnt leave out the parts that turns ur arguement into shit

"The Second Tsuchikage, Mū's mastery of this technique helped earn him the moniker "Non-Person" (無人, Mujin; Viz "Null Man"), having neither a physical form, nor detectable chakra, while the technique was active. Thus, he could not be detected through traditional means.["

He doesn't have detectable chakra , sharigan sees chakra no chakra means no seeing pass invisibility that's final stop arguing nonsense u cannot prove

When quoting, please read through it first and try to comprehend the text. It plays a major role when trying prove an argument. Better luck next time.



:asuma:​

 

[Strict]

Kakashi doesn't need his sharingan to detect invisible targets(Kakashi gaiden shows that). U_U Hell even in this war he was capable to notice Madara's presence behind him despite it being impossible to sense his chakra without sennin modo

Weak excuse after, as Muu can completely hide his presence and Chakra from being detected. Your words.

You can't sense Madara without Sennin Mode? Scan pls. Or wait, Minato himself sensed Madara's power in base.

Madara flew straight towards Kakashi. It's a basic Shinobi skill to notice such maneuvers as they have skilled senses. Itachi noticed the sneak attack of Naruto's clones and eliminated them with Kunai. And you compare that to the man who can hide his presence. You are so biased.

If Mu > Itachi, he is all the more > Kakashi.

 

[Bronze]

Weak excuse after, as Muu can completely hide his presence and Chakra from being detected. Your words.

You can't sense Madara without Sennin Mode? Scan pls. Or wait, Minato himself sensed Madara's power in base.

Madara flew straight towards Kakashi. It's a basic Shinobi skill to notice such maneuvers as they have skilled senses. Itachi noticed the sneak attack of Naruto's clones and eliminated them with Kunai. And you compare that to the man who can hide his presence. You are so biased.

If Mu > Itachi, he is all the more > Kakashi.

Kakashi is a better nose tracker than Kiba. Not to mention, he has dogs. Stay on topic please, and accept Itachi is no match to Mu.​

 

[Strict]

I should stop with debates in this forum. I see how I waste my time everytime.

 

[Draegod]

Kakashi is a better nose tracker than Kiba. Not to mention, he has dogs. Stay on topic please, and accept Itachi is no match to Mu.​

At first when he thought, But Kiba's shippuden nose far out class kakashi no diff!

 

[Bogard]

Weak excuse after, as Muu can completely hide his presence and Chakra from being detected. Your words.

I know. I just wanted to make an excuse on purpose. I wasn't serious U_U

You can't sense Madara without Sennin Mode? Scan pls. Or wait, Minato himself sensed Madara's power in base.

It's explained here:

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If Minato did it without, it's his feat

Madara flew straight towards Kakashi. It's a basic Shinobi skill to notice such maneuvers as they have skilled senses. Itachi noticed the sneak attack of Naruto's clones and eliminated them with Kunai. And you compare that to the man who can hide his presence. You are so biased.

If Mu > Itachi, he is all the more > Kakashi.

Well Kakashi can also leave a clone and hide underground you know? If Mu hits a lightning clone instead of the real, he is done for U_U

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

When quoting, please read through it first and try to comprehend the text. It plays a major role when trying prove an argument. Better luck next time.



:asuma:​

Ok ur point is the sharigan can only c chakra it clearly states Mu chakra is erased/undetectable so ur point is ?

 

[Strict]

Well Kakashi can also leave a clone and hide underground you know? If Mu hits a lightning clone instead of the real, he is done for U_U

And if Muu hits a explosive clone of Itachi? Hitting a lightning clone is legit but Itachi's isn't? U_U

And Juubi/ Rikudo Madara. Juubi is natural energy, Madara is a human with the Juubi sealed inside him, giving him the power of the six paths/Rikudo's Senjutsu. Minato sensed it in base. So interpretations hold no weight.

And yeah, any Jutsu needs Chakra. Whether Jinton or flying. Even if he can hide his presence while invisible, if he does his next Jutsu, he can be detected and seen, as he uses Chakra.

Itachi can use Genjutsu on various ways, with eyes, with the finger, with crows even on long range and on flying opponents. He can use feints. Etc. There are enough tactics for someone like Itachi left.

 

[Bogard]

And if Muu hits a explosive clone of Itachi? Hitting a lightning clone is legit but Itachi's isn't? U_U

Well the difference is that Itachi is always around his clones. He doesn't possess techniques capable to conceal his original self like Kakashi, so Mu should be capable to notice him and his double without problems U_U

And Juubi/ Rikudo Madara. Juubi is natural energy, Madara is a human with the Juubi sealed inside him, giving him the power of the six paths/Rikudo's Senjutsu. Minato sensed it in base. So interpretations hold no weight.

Nope, either Madara or Obito when they become Jubi's Jinchuriki, they have his body(physical energy) and chakra.

Besides,

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Sage Mode Naruto who was in KCM earlier said "now that i think about it, when i sensed Jubi's power earlier, it felt like natural energy"

It means that the only time he managed to feel Jubi's chakra was when he was in SM at this moment:

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He couldn't feel his chakra inside Obito

And yeah, any Jutsu needs Chakra. Whether Jinton or flying. Even if he can hide his presence while invisible, if he does his next Jutsu, he can be detected and seen, as he uses Chakra.

Every jutsu needs chakra indeed. It's for that reason i said he can't use jinton while invisible. However, no he doesn't need chakra for flying. The flying technique is only a technique they(Onoki and Mu) use when they reduce their weigth, something that can be done to someone else(Akatsuchi for example). But after their weight is reduced, they move on their own. No chakra needed. You can even notice that Mu was fighting Onoki in the air(invisible) until Gaara noticed his presence with his sand sensing

Itachi can use Genjutsu on various ways, with eyes, with the finger, with crows even on long range and on flying opponents. He can use feints. Etc. There are enough tactics for someone like Itachi left.

Sure he can, but he actually has to target his target first, which would be difficult against an invisible man.

Besides, he is a sensor, so he should have no problem in detecting minor genjutsus and break it(considering sensors have great chakra control in general).

Unless it's a Kanashibari no genjutsu at least, i don't see him struggling in breaking Itachi's genjutsus if it came down to it

 

[Phonas]

Ok ur point is the sharigan can only c chakra it clearly states Mu chakra is erased/undetectable so ur point is ?

Then he would die if he literally erased his chakra. That's a hyperbolic comparison that should only be taken figuratively. Again, he's using a jutsu to cloak his chakra. Sharingan can see right through that cloak. I have a scan that proves this but I need to find it first, so I'll post it on this thread later today.

 

[Phonas]

Besides, he is a sensor, so he should have no problem in detecting minor genjutsus and break it(considering sensors have great chakra control in general).

Unless it's a Kanashibari no genjutsu at least, i don't see him struggling in breaking Itachi's genjutsus if it came down to it

Dimitri, Owarij, and I have already proved you wrong on this point.

 

[Bogard]

Dimitri, Owarij, and I have already proved you wrong on this point.

Post it again then

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Then he would die if he literally erased his chakra. That's a hyperbolic comparison that should only be taken figuratively. Again, he's using a jutsu to cloak his chakra. Sharingan can see right through that cloak. I have a scan that proves this but I need to find it first, so I'll post it on this thread later today.

He wouldn't die if he erased his chakra .-. If u have no chakra u simply have no chakra when someone is in a fight and they run out of chakra do they die no... Tf why should it be taken figuratively. That's what it states it erases his chakra and sensors who sense chakra could not sense him
We have people who can leave Justus passed them dying or people who have Justus that take away other peoples chakra or Justus that actually seals people souls why is it so hard to believe there is a Jutsu that erases the users chakra and presence for stealth ... :|

None of u can give a solid argument on how the sharigan can see through the Jutsu all people r doing is downplaying the Jutsu or picking out certain parts that make their arguement look good without giving full details on the tech
All of u r drawin at straws until proven otherwise his tech erases his chakra and presence

Sharigan can only c chakra so if there's no chakra he cannot be seen

Until we see a sharigan or anyone who can see/sense chakra and they sense Mu while he is in that mode it is left as it is

Erases chakra and presence there for sharigan cannot see through the Jutsu

 

[Haizaki]

Kakashi is a better nose tracker than Kiba. Not to mention, he has dogs. Stay on topic please, and accept Itachi is no match to Mu.​

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[Beans2]

Some people on here are annoying me with their ignorance. Mu's ability to hide his presence is not just simple invisibility, but he literally extinguishes his chakra to the point where it cannot be either seen or sensed

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- it is the same ability that Karin used to avoid detection by Cee

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. Why do you think that he has to go visible to use jinton? It's because he cannot mold chakra in his invisible state since he extinguishes it with his invisibility. The sharingan can see chakra, but it cannot see something that has no chakra. If that's not enough for you, Ao (who posessed the byakugan) was at the five kage summit and did not detect Karin downstairs - so dojutsu has already been shown incapable of seeing someone with their chakras extinguished. Actual invisibility coupled with extinguished chakra is completely different than a fodder-level camouflage technique used by Taiseki.