[VS] Itachi vs Minato

[Master Omi]

he doesn't need to know about it, weak sauce genjutsu

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Not to mention being a sensor.

None of itachi's techs are actually fast enough to catch minato using ftg and knowing what the seals are doesn't negate them being warp point to escape all danger. Itachi's only means of defence against rasengan is susanoo and even if hes just using ribcage, the strain alone only hastens his defeat.


Scenario 2 is the same as 1, but itachi is less informed.

How do you know finger genjutsu is weak? The genjutsu did affect the KB, but it ended. What to stop Itachi from putting Minato in finger genjutsu and immediately killing him?

Itachi can use kunai to control Minato's kunai or can shunshin away from his Kunai.

 

[WarriorlWithin]

he doesn't need to know about it, weak sauce genjutsu

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Not to mention being a sensor.

None of itachi's techs are actually fast enough to catch minato using ftg and knowing what the seals are doesn't negate them being warp point to escape all danger. Itachi's only means of defence against rasengan is susanoo and even if hes just using ribcage, the strain alone only hastens his defeat.

Scenario 2 is the same as 1, but itachi is less informed.

You really compare that clone who had 30% of power and only tried to slow down the enemies and not actually take them down? Itachi doesnt even have to move to win this match

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[BenjerminGaye]

How do you know finger genjutsu is weak? The genjutsu did affect the KB, but it ended. What to stop Itachi from putting Minato in finger genjutsu and immediately killing him?

@bold because a 30% clone can use it. That very clone said he can't use his stronger genjutsu.

Itachi's words>yours

Minato has to look at itachi's finger for the genjutsu to activate.So this "instant kill strat" you speak of relies on minato initiating it. which we has no reason to do, nobody else there fell for itachi's finger bs only naruto.

Itachi can use kunai to control Minato's kunai or can shunshin away from his Kunai.

No he cant. he may intercept them but that doesnt stop the kunai from being on the field which is the

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You really compare that clone who had 30% of power and only tried to slow down the enemies and not actually take them down? Itachi doesnt even have to move to win this match

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if youre not gonna pay attention to the context of who and what i was replying to don't quote me.

 

[Master Omi]

@bold because a 30% clone can use it. That very clone said he can't use his stronger genjutsu.

Itachi's words>yours

Minato has to look at itachi's finger for the genjutsu to activate.So this "instant kill strat" you speak of relies on minato initiating it. which we has no reason to do, nobody else there fell for itachi's finger bs only naruto.


No he cant. he may intercept them but that doesnt stop the kunai from being on the field which is the

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if youre not gonna pay attention to the context of who and what i was replying to don't quote me.

- The only genjutsu that's known Itachi couldn't use was Tsukuyomi, that doesn't make finger genjutsu weak.

- Of course only Naruto was in the finger genjutsu, he was the only one is was directed to.

- Them being on the field, but in positions Itachi wants stops Minato from using FTG effectively.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- The only genjutsu that's known Itachi couldn't use was Tsukuyomi, that doesn't make finger genjutsu weak.

- Of course only Naruto was in the finger genjutsu, he was the only one is was directed to.

- Them being on the field, but in positions Itachi wants stops Minato from using FTG effectively.

-its a weak genjutsu by virtue of a 30% clone being able to do it.

-it works by anyone looking at his finger. Only naruto did it.Granted he played the confidence game by talking to naruto to draw his attention, but the trigger is still same looking at his finger, if sakrua or chiyo looked they too would have been in the genjutsu as well.

-There aren't in positions itachi wants as he's not the ones placing them. We've seen him intercept kunai before and the end result is itachi still

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. and this is under the assumption that iachi can actually effectively intercept them, given their weight and odd shape its safe to say at best it might steer them slightly off course. It matters not since them being out is the only real point.

 

[Master Omi]

-its a weak genjutsu by virtue of a 30% clone being able to do it.

-it works by anyone looking at his finger. Only naruto did it.Granted he played the confidence game by talking to naruto to draw his attention, but the trigger is still same looking at his finger, if sakrua or chiyo looked they too would have been in the genjutsu as well.

-There aren't in positions itachi wants as he's not the ones placing them. We've seen him intercept kunai before and the end result is itachi still

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. and this is under the assumption that iachi can actually effectively intercept them, given their weight and odd shape its safe to say at best it might steer them slightly off course. It matters not since them being out is the only real point.

- Itachi is also able to use sharingan genjutsu, is that automatically weak because a clone with 30% of his chakra was able to use it? Hell, Itachi is able to use MS jutsu with less than 20% of his chakra, during his fight with Sasuke.

- How do you know that finger genjutsu would works on multiple people? Just because it works by sight doesn't mean it works on all people who see it, otherwise all visual genjutsu that people see would work on multiple persons. Chiyo and Sakura not looking at it, doesn't mean Minato wouldn't.

- Itachi wasn't trying to keep the shuriken Sasuke used away from him, but when he was training in part 1 flashback, he was able to control the exact location of the kunai, his kunai collided with.

 

[Mellanoma]

Minato loses due to Genjutsu.

For the people talking about Finger Genjutsu... Remember... Naruto was in the genjutsu BEFORE he even used his finger. He casted Ethereal on Naruto which I believe will defeat Minato or atleast leave him open.

We can sit here and argue all day long that Minato > Itachi genjutsu but the facts and feats show Itachi will capture Minato in a genjutsu...

List of users Itachi caught in Genjutsu:

Killer Bee
Naruto
Sasuke
Orochimaru
Kakashi
Kurenai
Danzo
Himself
Kabuto

The War showed us Minato isn't as Clever as his fans want him to believe so a Genjutsu capture would be easy enough for Itachi.
If fight goes pass Genjutsu (Which it may or may not) then we can discuss but I firmly believe it stops at genjutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- Itachi is also able to use sharingan genjutsu, is that automatically weak because a clone with 30% of his chakra was able to use it? Hell, Itachi is able to use MS jutsu with less than 20% of his chakra, during his fight with Sasuke.

- How do you know that finger genjutsu would works on multiple people? Just because it works by sight doesn't mean it works on all people who see it, otherwise all visual genjutsu that people see would work on multiple persons. Chiyo and Sakura not looking at it, doesn't mean Minato wouldn't.

- Itachi wasn't trying to keep the shuriken Sasuke used away from him, but when he was training in part 1 flashback, he was able to control the exact location of the kunai, his kunai collided with.

-you mean itachi's

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-Because the medium is itachi's finger. Im not gonna address that 'leap in logic' logical fallacy. Might be true bun im confidently assuming he wont since minato is much smarter than naruto.

-Him controlling kunai he threw doesn't impress me. Show me him doing it for someone else's kunai.

 

[Master Omi]

-you mean itachi's

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-Because the medium is itachi's finger. Im not gonna address that 'leap in logic' logical fallacy. Might be true bun im confidently assuming he wont since minato is much smarter than naruto.

-Him controlling kunai he threw doesn't impress me. Show me him doing it for someone else's kunai.

- And yet Oro and Deidara were caught in his so-called parlor tricks

- How does Itachi's finger being medium make it different than any other genjutsu, in it's ability to affect multiple people? Minato being much smarter than Naruto, doesn't equate to him to not looking at Itachi's finger.

- It doesn't make much difference whether he threw them or not, he can control the angle of kunai by knowing where they are and hitting them. Beside he has alternative options, he can just shunshin out of the way or use ribcage Susanoo to smack them.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- And yet Oro and Deidara were caught in his so-called parlor tricks

- How does Itachi's finger being medium make it different than any other genjutsu, in it's ability to affect multiple people? Minato being much smarter than Naruto, doesn't equate to him to not looking at Itachi's finger.

- It doesn't make much difference whether he threw them or not, he can control the angle of kunai by knowing where they are and hitting them. Beside he has alternative options, he can just shunshin out of the way or use ribcage Susanoo to smack them.

-being caught in the genjutsu =/= the genjutsu strength.

-the medium serves as the requirement for the genjutsu to be cast. -_-

-prove bold. Itachi controlling two kunai he threw doesn't equate to itachi controlling kunai other ppl threw. Itachi using ribcage susanoo to swat kunai is a gross misuse of his limited chakra, and does little to change the end result: minato having ftg warp points on the field.

 

[Master Omi]

-being caught in the genjutsu =/= the genjutsu strength.

-the medium serves as the requirement for the genjutsu to be cast. -_-

-prove bold. Itachi controlling two kunai he threw doesn't equate to itachi controlling kunai other ppl threw. Itachi using ribcage susanoo to swat kunai is a gross misuse of his limited chakra, and does little to change the end result: minato having ftg warp points on the field.

- The fact that Oro couldn't break out of Itachi's genjutsu indicates it's strength. There's nothing that indicates it being weak, in fact both Chiyo and Sakura put chakra into Naruto, instead of just 1 person.

- Prove the finger genjutsu can affect multiple people. Just because anybody can see the medium, doesn't mean it will affect everyone who sees it.

- He did the bolded while he was training. Besides Itachi can shunshin out of the way and be fine. As for Ribcage Susanoo, it wasn't stated how much it cost or how long he could keep it going. As long Itachi keeps away from himself, with Susanoo, FTG is ineffective.

 

[Uverdore9]

Notice how Naruto wasn't Bee's target so he didn't have to react to anything. That logic

Naruto did not react to Itachi. Itachi blitzed out yet Naruto was looking down.

Please go back and look at those pages and re think about what u just said cuz it makes no sense at all

But lets say Itachi does manically keep up with Minato somehow that wont matter because have you ever heard of the Flying Thunder God Technique. It's classified as one of the Space-Time Ninjutsu, which are techniques that allow the users to teleport to another location instantaneously. No one can exceed the speed with using only physical power. the Moment Minato throws his kunais on the ground its over.. and lets say Itachi uses Susanoo that wont be a problem because Itachi doesn't have much chakra reserve which Minato has a lot of because he was able to unlock sage mode and also has the 9tails chakra so all he has to do his tire him out.. :/

plus Itachi blocking the FTG kunai with anything thats not Susanoo is a death sentence, legit the worst thing itachi can do as it opens him up to a lvl 2 blitz so itachi basically has no other option, think about it A single kunai from minato requires some serious decision making on itachis part in terms of how the hell he will counter it... one kunai allows minato to make itachi sweat about something as simple as his next movement in the fight.

Genjutsu is no problem for a teleporter top speedster to avoid the crows do nothing to minato and finger genjutsu was noticed by someone like Naruto cmon u think minato wouldn't notice it too?? The only genjutsu that has a chance here is tsukuyomi Which will never happen due to minatos superior speed and reaction time coupled with FTG teleportation for MS to even track

please tell me if I'm wrong cuz from what I know itachi aint taking this one

FTG require user reaction to connect attack. Minato cannot teleport and attack at the same time. Minato did this against A and Bee and we know how it ended. Bee rescued A from Minato before Minato could pierce A. Minato reaction was outsurpassed by Bee in that scenario which prove FTG can be countered with ease by Top speedster like Itachi. Itachi is fast than Naruto in Kyuubi chakra mode can react. That speed is tier great than Minato with KCM and FTG combined even. Minato FTG is mere V1 Raikage speed as per Databoook.

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Itachi would deflect Minato if by chance Minato place the tag mark on Itachi. FTG of Minato is utter useless against Itachi. Now this part is cleared. Minato counter genjutsu is mere fanfic. There is no proof he can even deal with Itachi most basic genjutsu. How will Minato realize Minato is in genjutsu? Itachi can control genjutsu without being detected. How will Minato break Itachi genjutsu if Itachi can control multiple individual? Frog Pa and Ma? Toad summon? Itachi will control them all if they interfere in Minato's fate of trapped in Itachi genjutsu. Minato doesnt have anything to face Itachi. Shadow doppelganger? How will Minato place them in spot before Itachi notice Minato create shadow doppelganger? If Itachi notice, Itachi will go to the main Minato and kill Minato. There is no stretch of imagination which would allow Minato counter Itachi power in any version displayed in canon. Let's not argue against fact. Frog Genjutsu?SM? They wont work when Itachi is fast than Minato with SM. Itachi is fast than Minato with KCM. Unless any Minato fan can give a realistic loophole other than 'outlast' card Itachi is Minato's worst nightmare.

 

[Lord Orochimaru]

Minato wins low diff inside Itachis Genjutsu and then gets 100 years of pained before he gets to throw his ftg kunai (That is if he can).

To all those who think Minato is too fast......Itachis genjutsu is faster.

 

[Jinrou]

Minato wins low diff inside Itachis Genjutsu and then gets 100 years of pained before he gets to throw his ftg kunai (That is if he can).

To all those who think Minato is too fast......Itachis genjutsu is faster.

Itachi's genjutsu is faster than instant?

 

[Mellanoma]

Itachi's genjutsu is faster than instant?

Minato's Kunai aren;t instant and I imagine itachi's Genjutsu cast speed is faster than Minato's kunai throw.

you make it seem like the fight starts with FTG kunai everywhere.

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For the record... Itachi had both Sasuke and Naruto in Genjutsu at the same exact time showing he has Genjutsu strength AND distance.

Not sure if that changed your mind but figured id throw it out there.

Naruto was caught when receiving the crow while Sasuke was at the hideout.

 

[Uverdore9]

Depend on what we consider instant. Do we consider a second instant? A half second instant? A quarter second instant?

Because Minato FTG speed = V1 Raikage speed as per the Databook. Minato FTG React by Killer Bee. Itachi blitz Killer Bee and Killer Bee react to Minato but Killer bee couldnt react to Itachi blitz.

We can put logic in context and understand how a Minato Vs Itachi fight'll go.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- The fact that Oro couldn't break out of Itachi's genjutsu indicates it's strength. There's nothing that indicates it being weak, in fact both Chiyo and Sakura put chakra into Naruto, instead of just 1 person.

- Prove the finger genjutsu can affect multiple people. Just because anybody can see the medium, doesn't mean it will affect everyone who sees it.

- He did the bolded while he was training. Besides Itachi can shunshin out of the way and be fine. As for Ribcage Susanoo, it wasn't stated how much it cost or how long he could keep it going. As long Itachi keeps away from himself, with Susanoo, FTG is ineffective.

-oro couldn't break out cuz he relies on seals(genjutsu kai) to break genjutsu, something he can weave when the genjutsu causes paralysis. hardly the case with minato since ftg doesn't use seals.And seeing as how sasuke pulled the same jutsu on oro, its same to say that even then its mere parlor trick lvl. Its definitely no bringer of darkness.

-it does. Him pointing at naruto, or him calling naruto's name has nothing to do with its activation. Only the victim(naruto) looking at the finger.Its no different than

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Do you not know how genjutsu mediums work? Want me to explain it to you?

-Congrats, he ricochet his own kunai to control where both went. I still wanna see him do it for for someone else's kunai, to even entertain this argument, and even then id shoot it down given minato's kunai odd shape and weight. @bold Its an ms tech, meaning even using it is going to cost over 30% of his chakra, following the logic of his 30%clone being unable to activate ms period.

For the record... Itachi had both Sasuke and Naruto in Genjutsu at the same exact time showing he has Genjutsu strength AND distance.

Not sure if that changed your mind but figured id throw it out there.

Naruto was caught when receiving the crow while Sasuke was at the hideout.

Clones using genjutsu isn't a reflection of itachi's strength or distance -_- cmon bro. that's like me getting impressed that naruto's clones can use rasengan, a battlefield away.

 

[Master Omi]

-oro couldn't break out cuz he relies on seals(genjutsu kai) to break genjutsu, something he can weave when the genjutsu causes paralysis. hardly the case with minato since ftg doesn't use seals.And seeing as how sasuke pulled the same jutsu on oro, its same to say that even then its mere parlor trick lvl. Its definitely no bringer of darkness.

-it does. Him pointing at naruto, or him calling naruto's name has nothing to do with its activation. Only the victim(naruto) looking at the finger.Its no different than

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Do you not know how genjutsu mediums work? Want me to explain it to you?

-Congrats, he ricochet his own kunai to control where both went. I still wanna see him do it for for someone else's kunai, to even entertain this argument, and even then id shoot it down given minato's kunai odd shape and weight. @bold Its an ms tech, meaning even using it is going to cost over 30% of his chakra, following the logic of his 30%clone being unable to activate ms period.
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- I meant there's nothing indicating finger genjutsu is weak, even if you think normal sharingan genjutsu is weak. Madara was able to incapacitate Raikage with sharingan genjutsu.

- Let me make sure I got this right, your implying that if any number of people see a genjutsu medium they are put in a genjutsu? What about sound based genjutsu, if anybody hears the genjutsu they are all in it? I would appreciate it if you did explain to me how it works. I still think your wrong about that, though.

- If Itachi's MS jutsu cost 30% of his chakra, how do you explain Itachi using 5 MS jutsu during the Sasuke fight plus 3 Karasu bunshins, 2 Gokakyu and genjutsu: sharingan?

 

[Mori Jin]

Minato wins every scenario.

 

[Princess Kaguya]

Minato solos neg diff. He just needs to use FTG and it's over, it doesn't matter if Itachi is aware of it. He can't escape the Yellow Flash.