Itachi vs Kimimaro, Orochimaru and Deidara

[Blackdeath667]

it looks like some people are upset that itachi still solos lol

 

[blazekev90]

Lol @ these post . I'll handle this Monday when I have time to spree.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Lol @ these post . I'll handle this Monday when I have time to spree.

Oh yea Lol you'll explain how deidara solos

 

[ARGUS]

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Amaterasu is a fireball. It has travel time and momentum.

Yeah So?

What's BFR? Deidara does have a telescope, and if Itachi tries to hide then Deidara can blow up the obstacles, or just let Itachi hide while he uses his micro-bombs. Mines are also a problem and will get in Susanoo's vulnerable spot.

BFR = Battle Field Removal,
Deidara cant just fly away from the battlefield, as that would result in an automatic loss for him here,
and Mines are not getting set up here, it takes him quite some time to do so, and is just not happening

Hiding in his bird worked wonders for Deidara against Sasuke.

Yeah, because sasuke lacked a long range jutsu to get to deidara,
itachi however can literally one-shot with amaterasu

Kimimaro can discard those bones, like Ei discarded his arm. Then Itachi just wasted 1 of his roughly 5 MS uses and left himself a little weaker.

Yeah good luck to kimimaro discrading HIS OWN bones, when itachi can just aim it at his face,
Ay discarding his arm really doesnt mean much here, since Ay =/= Kimimaro in any shape or form

Kabuto used the Bone Forest to make an obstruction, he didn't use Bone Forest to attack Itachi's weak spot underneath Susanoo, Kimmiaro can.

@Bold - Umm, yes he did and he failed,
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as well, however, all it took was

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the same jutsu that was boosted with DSM, meaning that kimimaros bone forest gets wrecked much easily

This also will not leave Kimmimaro vulnerable to either Amaterasu or genjutsu, and Kimimaro will still have to actually make eye contact for genjutsu to even work. lol at Sharingan precog, it only works against linear movements. Kimmimaro can can dodge Susanoo, he has a 4.5 in speed which seems to be the minimum requirement.

The jutsu gets eradicated by susanoo slashes, and Kimimaro is then left open to get finished off by amaterasu,
@Bold - Prove it,

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(notice the middle left panel,)

and why are you bringing data book stats here, they are completely irrelevant and just wrong in most cases,
for eg. deidara and sasuke both have a 4.5 in speed, yet

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Orochimaru resisted a paralyzing genjutsu that Itachi put him under and was going to use a kai seal. Orochimaru was also forced to make eye contact for his soul transfer for some reason, as he does so against Sasuke and Genyuumaru as well. Here, Orochimaru isn't trying to trade bodies and he has snake sensing to shield himself.

Yeah and

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, itachi can paralyse him under a genjutsu long enough to allow him to finish him off,
@Bold - against sasuke sure, but not against itachi, he wasnt even facing him, yet he got caught,
and through a clone feint, itachi can very easily put him under a genjutsu
furthermore what snake sensing are you talking about??? his feats are different from kabutos along with the fact that none of his snakes have shown any genjutsu countering feats whatsoever

-Deidara and Kimmiaro are not sitting ducks, and Itachi will be wasting what average chakra he has with all the spamming you want him to do.

Yes they are, they are clearly too slow to evade the flames along wiith the fact that they have no sensing abilities to percieve the attack, meaning that the flames spawn at them, and set them ablaze,
itachi wont be wasting much chakra by using amaterasu only twice,

-All 3 opponents know not to make eye contact. Orochimaru has snake sensing and Deidara trained himself to see through genjutsus. And if Itachi is trying to use genjutsu against one person he's left open to the other 2.

@Bold - knowing doesnt mean that they can counter it,
orochimaru also knew that looking at sharingan can lead to getting caught under a genjutsu however he still got caught,

and Deidara training his eye still doesnt help

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, and finger genjutsu is also applicable here seeing how he has no info on it, and would allow itachi more than enough time to finish him off
not to mention that itachi is most likely faster than hebi sasuke, meaning that he can simply blitz him, as well

-Bone Forest springs up underneath Itachi and gives him a new hole.

Already countered above, its not doing shit

-Orochimaru was trying to trade bodies the first time, the second time he was immobilized. He is neither here.

Again, he still got caught without making any eye contact at all,
him trading bodies doesnt mean that he cant counter genjutsu,
and itachi can still immobilise him quite well through genjutus and if he resists then finish him off with totsuka

You're not helping your case when other opponents have shown to keep up with Ei, including Sasuke, Suigetsu, Madara, Bee, and others. His Lightning Armor also doesn't increase his speed, it increases his reflexes.

The amount of flaws in this part of your post are beyond belief
1. Neither sasuke nor suigetsu could keep up with V2 Ay,

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i dont even need to explain about suigetsu who lacks a dojutsu to percieve Ay and is inferior to sasuke in reflexes and reaction feats

2. Raiton armor increases speed and reflexes, this is just obvious, you can clearly look at the difference between V1 Ay and V2 Ay

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however V2 Ay clearly blitzed him as shown above,
furthermore superior reflexes and nerve transmission allows superior speed, Cees statement

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also implies that the raiton armor enhances speed, its common sense

It's also hilarious how you said he "just managed" to evade Amaterasu, when he looked very casual in doing so. Speaking of which, if you really think Amaterasu just appears on someone, then how was Ei able to dodge it? How did Gyuuki intercept it with it's tail? Not to mention that Amaterasu has tells, like how Itachi has to clench his eye shut for a few seconds before he can use it, or how blood runs down his cheek, or how sensors can detect a build-up of chakra. There are also two instances where the user makes handseal before using Amaterasu.

Except, none of these guys are sensors, and none of them have the speed to evade the flames, and the symptoms dont help them at all, since they still cant counter them,

and Amaterasu does spawn on the target,
it does NOT travel from A to B,

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as Ay was able to evade it, since he had the reflexes to react to the flames the instant they appear at him, and he also had the speed to evade them,
and i think you are also mistaken, Amaterasu is NOT instant, it has a speed, so the point of hachibi blocking it with tails isnt something thats helping you

Yet Itachi still his Sasuke, which meant he WAS trying to.
Maybe you're right, mentioning the databook probably isn't a good thing if it hurts your argument.
Sasuke was fast enough to evade Amaterasu, and Deidara evaded Sasuke, so you are wrong. It's so hilarious how you, and others, actually think that Amaterasu is the Death Note... it's not. Hell, Tobirama saw Amaterasu before, yet it's not what killed him.

Yeah because we use manga scans instead of databook,
i have already explained above why the databook stats are just invalid,
and it also seems to me that you dont even look at any of the scans that i have provided,

furthermore sasuke diid NOT evade amaterasu, he just briefly ran away from the onslaught, and Lol

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he wouldnt even realise that he iis caught on fire before he gets hit,,

Orochimaru doesn't need to see to attack, since he can "see" heat and smell. Itachi's body heat and odor will be like a light in the darkness to him, just like a real snake.

Dont see how that helps him here, since i never stated that itachi would use amaterasu on orochimaru due to his oral rebirth

Orochimaru showed to resist Itachi's paralyzing genjutsu and go to break it.
Who did you just say made no eye contact with Itachi and was still caught? Sasuke? Because he had Itachi under a genjutsu too.

Im not going to bother arguing if you keep on sayiing the same thing, and if yyou just ignore the events that occurred in the manga,,
orochimaru got caught in a 3T genjutsu and got overwhelmed, its as simple as that
not to mention that orochimuar diidnt properly break the genjutsu either he was attempting to resist but failed

Orochimaru seems to need eye contact to use his soul transfer, he did so against Genyuumaru, he did so against Itachi, and he shouldn't had been dumb enough to use it again against Sasuke unless he needed to. Also, when Kabuto started using Snake Sensing, Sasuke said to Itachi "He has all of Orochimaru's abilities!"

Just because kabuto has ALL of orochimarus abilities doesnt mean that orochimaru has all of kabutos abilities,
ive already explained the rest above,

Do you know why Itachi severed Orochimaru's hand? Because it didn't completely overwhelm him and he was about to make a seal to break it, Itachi stopped him, which only happened because Itachi was a step away from Orochimaru. That also doesn't mean anything to Orochimaru since he can reattach body parts and grow new ones.

Yeah because orochimaru was attempting to resist control, however he still got overwhelmed,
once deiidara and kimimaro are killed, orochimaru gets mind raped by tsukiyomi, if he does magically survive from getting beheaded after getting caught in a genjutsu

How do you know he's faster than Kimmiaro, or more skilled in taijutsu and kenjutsu? And all Itachi did was avoid and evade and wasn't able to gain an advantage, he was forced to fall back.
Sharingan only seems able to track linear movements, and Kimimaro has to make eye contact with Itachi for genjutsu to even be an option. Kabuto only surrounded Itachi with Bone Forest, Kimmimaro tears Itachi a new one. I also don't understand how Senjutsu-enhanced Bone Forest was even cut down so handily, for that matter, it makes no sense.

Killer Bee is faster than Kimimaro because its obvious,
kimimaros speed was getting handled by part 1 naruto, lee and gaara,
whilst base bees speed was on a higher level than sasuke, V1/V2 would increase his speed even more
and please dont bring the same eye contact thing again,

kimimaro needs eye contact to attack itachi, he has shown no way of fighting genjutsu and would just get caught

Except he can't just set Deidara ablaze, Deidara will see a fireball coming at him just as Ei and Gyuuki did and move out of the way. Deidara has a resistance to genjutsu, and resisted Sasuke's first genjutsu and almost killed him when Sasuke thought it worked, Itachi in that position would be dead since he has no Raiton.

Except A >>>>>>>>>> Deidara in speed,
except A & Killer Bee >>>>>>>>> Deidara in reflexes so your point is moot here,
Itachi doesnt need raiton nor has it ever been the only way of beating deidara,
the latter cannot counter amaterasu, and just gets one-shotted by it within seconds

Yes he does, and I have provided more than enough reasoning above. Hell, how much MS does Itachi have to spam just to defeat one opponent in your analysis? By the time he faces the last one, he'll be falling over from exhaustion and gets killed, if he's not already too weakened by the time he kills the first one. You also seem to assume that all three opponents are just Genin compared to Itachi, but they are clearly not. Kimimaro jimself is at least Jonin level, while the other two are Kage level.

All you have provided are mere speculations with no manga scans, and mere databook stats,
furthermore all itachi needs is one amaterasu each for kimimaro and deidara, a few susanoo slashes to eradicate bone forest if executed and then 3T genjutsu, or possibly totsuka to finish orochimuar off,
and seeing how itachi is healthy here, he can most likely pull this off,

doesnt matter if they are kage level, if they cant counter itachis arsenal then they are not winning, its as simple as that

 

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Yeah So?


BFR = Battle Field Removal,
Deidara cant just fly away from the battlefield, as that would result in an automatic loss for him here,
and Mines are not getting set up here, it takes him quite some time to do so, and is just not happening


Yeah, because sasuke lacked a long range jutsu to get to deidara,
itachi however can literally one-shot with amaterasu


Yeah good luck to kimimaro discrading HIS OWN bones, when itachi can just aim it at his face,
Ay discarding his arm really doesnt mean much here, since Ay =/= Kimimaro in any shape or form


@Bold - Umm, yes he did and he failed,
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as well, however, all it took was

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the same jutsu that was boosted with DSM, meaning that kimimaros bone forest gets wrecked much easily


The jutsu gets eradicated by susanoo slashes, and Kimimaro is then left open to get finished off by amaterasu,
@Bold - Prove it,

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(notice the middle left panel,)

and why are you bringing data book stats here, they are completely irrelevant and just wrong in most cases,
for eg. deidara and sasuke both have a 4.5 in speed, yet

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, itachi can paralyse him under a genjutsu long enough to allow him to finish him off,
@Bold - against sasuke sure, but not against itachi, he wasnt even facing him, yet he got caught,
and through a clone feint, itachi can very easily put him under a genjutsu
furthermore what snake sensing are you talking about??? his feats are different from kabutos along with the fact that none of his snakes have shown any genjutsu countering feats whatsoever


Yes they are, they are clearly too slow to evade the flames along wiith the fact that they have no sensing abilities to percieve the attack, meaning that the flames spawn at them, and set them ablaze,
itachi wont be wasting much chakra by using amaterasu only twice,


@Bold - knowing doesnt mean that they can counter it,
orochimaru also knew that looking at sharingan can lead to getting caught under a genjutsu however he still got caught,

and Deidara training his eye still doesnt help

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, and finger genjutsu is also applicable here seeing how he has no info on it, and would allow itachi more than enough time to finish him off
not to mention that itachi is most likely faster than hebi sasuke, meaning that he can simply blitz him, as well


Already countered above, its not doing shit


Again, he still got caught without making any eye contact at all,
him trading bodies doesnt mean that he cant counter genjutsu,
and itachi can still immobilise him quite well through genjutus and if he resists then finish him off with totsuka


The amount of flaws in this part of your post are beyond belief
1. Neither sasuke nor suigetsu could keep up with V2 Ay,

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i dont even need to explain about suigetsu who lacks a dojutsu to percieve Ay and is inferior to sasuke in reflexes and reaction feats

2. Raiton armor increases speed and reflexes, this is just obvious, you can clearly look at the difference between V1 Ay and V2 Ay

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however V2 Ay clearly blitzed him as shown above,
furthermore superior reflexes and nerve transmission allows superior speed, Cees statement

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also implies that the raiton armor enhances speed, its common sense


Except, none of these guys are sensors, and none of them have the speed to evade the flames, and the symptoms dont help them at all, since they still cant counter them,

and Amaterasu does spawn on the target,
it does NOT travel from A to B,

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as Ay was able to evade it, since he had the reflexes to react to the flames the instant they appear at him, and he also had the speed to evade them,
and i think you are also mistaken, Amaterasu is NOT instant, it has a speed, so the point of hachibi blocking it with tails isnt something thats helping you


Yeah because we use manga scans instead of databook,
i have already explained above why the databook stats are just invalid,
and it also seems to me that you dont even look at any of the scans that i have provided,

furthermore sasuke diid NOT evade amaterasu, he just briefly ran away from the onslaught, and Lol

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he wouldnt even realise that he iis caught on fire before he gets hit,,


Dont see how that helps him here, since i never stated that itachi would use amaterasu on orochimaru due to his oral rebirth


Im not going to bother arguing if you keep on sayiing the same thing, and if yyou just ignore the events that occurred in the manga,,
orochimaru got caught in a 3T genjutsu and got overwhelmed, its as simple as that
not to mention that orochimuar diidnt properly break the genjutsu either he was attempting to resist but failed


Just because kabuto has ALL of orochimarus abilities doesnt mean that orochimaru has all of kabutos abilities,
ive already explained the rest above,


Yeah because orochimaru was attempting to resist control, however he still got overwhelmed,
once deiidara and kimimaro are killed, orochimaru gets mind raped by tsukiyomi, if he does magically survive from getting beheaded after getting caught in a genjutsu


Killer Bee is faster than Kimimaro because its obvious,
kimimaros speed was getting handled by part 1 naruto, lee and gaara,
whilst base bees speed was on a higher level than sasuke, V1/V2 would increase his speed even more
and please dont bring the same eye contact thing again,

kimimaro needs eye contact to attack itachi, he has shown no way of fighting genjutsu and would just get caught


Except A >>>>>>>>>> Deidara in speed,
except A & Killer Bee >>>>>>>>> Deidara in reflexes so your point is moot here,
Itachi doesnt need raiton nor has it ever been the only way of beating deidara,
the latter cannot counter amaterasu, and just gets one-shotted by it within seconds


All you have provided are mere speculations with no manga scans, and mere databook stats,
furthermore all itachi needs is one amaterasu each for kimimaro and deidara, a few susanoo slashes to eradicate bone forest if executed and then 3T genjutsu, or possibly totsuka to finish orochimuar off,
and seeing how itachi is healthy here, he can most likely pull this off,

doesnt matter if they are kage level, if they cant counter itachis arsenal then they are not winning, its as simple as that

this guy just ended the thread and explained it in a good way

 

[ARGUS]

this guy just ended the thread and explained it in a good way

thanks man