Itachi vs Killer Bee

[BenjerminGaye]

Killer bee already broke Itachi's tsukuyomi, try again.

Again you are incorrect. He broke out of one of itachi's generic genjutsu(the finger genjutsu, the raise my cape and crows come out genjutsu etc.) In that fight itachi didn't start using his MS until:

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Well after his fight with bee. Naruto even mentioned getting hit by amaterasu and tsukyomi resulting in the gg i spoke of earlier.

 

[Obito3631]

Again you are incorrect. He broke out of one of itachi's generic genjutsu(the finger genjutsu, the raise my cape and crows come out genjutsu etc.) In that fight itachi didn't start using his MS until:

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Well after his fight with bee. Naruto even mentioned getting hit by amaterasu and tsukyomi resulting in the gg i spoke of earlier.

"Because he has a strong relationship with his own tailed beast, it acts as his partner in battle, disturbing his chakra to dispel even genjutsu from the Mangekyō Sharingan"

It refers to Tsukuyomi, so he is able to break it.

 

[nakumaru]

"Because he has a strong relationship with his own tailed beast, it acts as his partner in battle, disturbing his chakra to dispel even genjutsu from the Mangekyō Sharingan"

It refers to Tsukuyomi, so he is able to break it.

Ms Genjutsu =\= Tsukiyomi

 

[Obito3631]

Ms Genjutsu =\= Tsukiyomi

"Genjutsu from the Mangekyo Sharingan"

Last time I checked Tsukuyomi is indeed a genjutsu from the Mangekyo sharingan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

"Because he has a strong relationship with his own tailed beast, it acts as his partner in battle, disturbing his chakra to dispel even genjutsu from the Mangekyō Sharingan"

It refers to Tsukuyomi, so he is able to break it.

I'd like a scan of that quote.
I am well aware of his abilities but considering the speed in which tsukuyomi is executed it doesn't matter. He can quickly break out of genjutsu but he isn't immune to genjutsu. Proven here:

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And here:

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[Obito3631]

I'd like a scan of that quote.
I am well aware of his abilities but considering the speed in which tsukuyomi is executed it doesn't matter. He can quickly break out of genjutsu but he isn't immune to genjutsu. Proven here:

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And here:

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Read the wikia.

Also, Killer Bee has intel on Itachi's MS and so does Hachibi. He isn't immune to it but he can still break it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Read the wikia.

Also, Killer Bee has intel on Itachi's MS and so does Hachibi. He isn't immune to it but he can still break it.

Your using wikipedia instead of the manga itself as your source of information? Your credibility just went out the window.
Also, even if he has knowledge it still takes him a couple seconds to break genjutsu after it has been initiated while it takes 1 second to for itachi to initiate and finish up.

 

[VolatileSoul]

LOL what is this shit? I voted for buttsex because the is pure rape and sodomy. Amaterasu gg. He isn't fast enough to dodge it. Hell did we all forget about Itachi's Susano'o already? Did the legendary haxxed items skip your mind? And how will bee break out of Tsukuyomi? It is simply too fast. Hell what is stopping him from making Bee his bitch and control him? I don't think it'll be easy but hell. The only thing killing Itachi here is exhaustion, not Bee.

 

[Obito3631]

Your using wikipedia instead of the manga itself as your source of information? Your credibility just went out the window.
Also, even if he has knowledge it still takes him a couple seconds to break genjutsu after it has been initiated while it takes 1 second to for itachi to initiate and finish up.

It's not wikipedia, it's a wikia and it is very reliable, at least I have a source of information.
Itachi can't do shit while he's using genjutsu on someone.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's not wikipedia, it's a wikia and it is very reliable, at least I have a source of information.
Itachi can't do shit while he's using genjutsu on someone.

I already showed u the scans of killer bee falling under generic sharingan genjutsu and him breaking out seconds later via hacibi disturbing his chakra. But like kakashi said:

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Since tsukuyomi happens in an instant by the time the hachibi breaks bee out it will have already been 72 hrs.

 

[Obito3631]

I already showed u the scans of killer bee falling under generic sharingan genjutsu and him breaking out seconds later via hacibi disturbing his chakra. But like kakashi said:

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Since tsukuyomi happens in an instant by the time the hachibi breaks bee out it will have already been 72 hrs.

Yep and he still able to break out of it so what's your point? It didn't do shit to him.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Itachi stated in the manga that only a sharingan user with the same blood type can break Tsukiyomi.

Besides... Naruto pretty much says it all here anyways.

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Any disclaimers are denying manga facts and shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[Obito3631]

Itachi stated in the manga that only a sharingan user with the same blood type can break Tsukiyomi.

Besides... Naruto pretty much says it all here anyways.

Spoiler

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Any disclaimers are denying manga facts and shouldn't be taken seriously.

And Bee refuted that fallacy. Come again.

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[Forbidden Technique]

And then Danzou said

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[Obito3631]

And then Danzou said

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He never mentioned Sasuke's Tsukuyomi, he just said this generic genjutsu is nothing compared to Itachi's tsukuyomi. Beside this is nothing like Tsukuyomi. He only used a generic genjutsu here.

 

[Owarij]

......Kakashi said this maybe twice in the manga.. No cancellation effects will work on ITACHI'S tsukyomi [

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], because it isn't a continued genjutsu.. he starts and ends it , same instant.[

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]. but he manipulates your perception of time and makes you feel the full effects of an extended genjutsu...

Noone, not even hachibi will have enough time to cancel him out of it, since hachbi reacts in a few seconds to genjutsu's used on bee.. as seen twice in the manga..

Without a question Tsukyomi would work on bee.. but this shouldn't even be part of the debate, considering OP gave both characters full knowledge.. and with full knowledge, it's unlikely bee would make eye contact...

When it comes to bee's base form, we've seen that Itachi outclasses him speed wise greatly, so much so, that kb not only failed to keep up, but Itachi easily got behind him without him knowing[

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] , something stated from the beginning of the manga that a ninja should never let happen.... Now, had edo itachi not warned kb he was behind him, the fight would have been over there and then... leaving me to the conclusion that killer bee stands little chance against him in base ..... Killer bee with full knowledge or manga knowledge knows Itachi has amaterasu.. he also knows that entering bijuu mode against a amaterasu user is a bad idea.. (he was almost set on fire by Sasuke), so I would guess that as well would be a move he doesn't make...

His final and only hope in this fight would be his v2 cloak form, which Itachi wouldn't need Ms to handle... Sasuke has lower speed and reflexes when compared to Itachi [

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]and was still capable of dodging bee's v2 full on speed attacks.. Itachi, who is better in those aforementioned aspects will have little problem dodging any attacks bee throws at him...

The very fact that bee wouldn't looking at his eyes due to fear of tsukyomi would leave him open to amaterasu attacks, and frankly V2 Bee doesn't have the reflexes or speed capable of dodging amaterasu.. considering he flames will emerge on anything the user focuses on.. and he doesn't have speed fast enough to escape the Sharingan's movement prediction and focus (As shown by sasuke dodging his attack) ;.. [

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In conclusion, bee has nothing of threat to Itachi, and contrary to popular belief, Susanno isn't needed in this battle.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

It's pretty clear that Sasuke used Tsukiyomi here. MS as well as eye contact between him and Danzou. It doesn't even make sense for Danzou to compare Sasukes regular genjutsu with Itachis Tsukiyomi.

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[Obito3631]

It's pretty clear that Sasuke used Tsukiyomi here. MS as well as eye contact between him and Danzou. It doesn't even make sense for Danzou to compare Sasukes regular genjutsu with Itachis Tsukiyomi.

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This is nothing like Tsukuyomi, when a target is under Tsukuyomi the environment around has a different shade and looks different, you can clearly see that it was a generic genjutsu because Itachi appeared in front of Danzo but the environment was exactly the same. And yes it makes sense, it was nowhere mentioned that Danzo was refering to Sasuke's tsukuyomi.

The background is all dark, it is a clear indication that this is Tsukuyomi, Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi against Danzo

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[Owarij]

Lmao do you even know what Tsukuyomi is? This is nothing like Tsukuyomi, when a target is under Tsukuyomi the environment around has a different shade and looks different, you can clearly see that it was a generic genjutsu because Itachi appeared in front of Danzo but the environment was exactly the same. And yes it makes sense, it was nowhere mentioned that Danzo was refering to Sasuke's tsukuyomi.

The background is all dark, it is a clear indication that this is Tsukuyomi, Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi against Danzo

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Tsukyomi is a genjutsu, what ever the caster wants they can make... Itachi likes making red clouds and black scenery.. symbolizing the akatsuki , that doesn't mean all his tsukyomi's have to be like that... the point of the genjtusu used on danzo was to test genjutsu on him, and to see if he could get in closer. turning the skys red , though possible to sasuke would make danzo immediately aware he was in a genjutsu and unwise

 

[Obito3631]

Tsukyomi is a genjutsu, what ever the caster wants they can make... Itachi likes making red clouds and black scenery.. symbolizing the akatsuki , that doesn't mean all his tsukyomi's have to be like that... the point of the genjtusu used on danzo was to test genjutsu on him, and to see if he could get in closer. turning the skys red , though possible to sasuke would make danzo immediately aware he was in a genjutsu and unwise

It was already clear that it was a genjutsu the moment when Itachi apperared rofl.
Tsukuyomi has always been recognizable by its different environment and scenery like you said.
Everything indicates that this was a generic genjutsu.

Also he didn't even grab his eye in pain after using it, which means it wasn't an MS tech therefore it's a generic genjutsu