Itachi vs Killer Bee

WHo wins

  • Itachi

    Votes: 40 56.3%
  • Killer Bee

    Votes: 23 32.4%
  • Draw

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Buttsex

    Votes: 5 7.0%

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Owarij

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Bee wins.

Edo Itachi is different from Itachi. He isn't sick and can use Sharingan/MS for an extended period of time without any drawbacks. Your normal Itachi wouldn't go trigger happy on jutsus and MS since he knows his stamina is crap.

At any rate, Continous Bijuudama obliterates him. Yata Mirror isn't blocking Bijuudama since Bijuudama is not nature transformation.



Sick itachi still out lasted sasuke in their battle, used more than 2 amaterasu's, tskyomi, genjutu's and much more... The moment bee starts transforming into such a huge thing, 1 amaterasu would easily take him down... It seems you fail to understand Itachi whatsoever.... He knows he's sick, he knows he can't fight a extended battle, which is why he ends if fights quickly... he's fought bee already and knows his basic genjutsu gets cancelled .... meaning, he'll not what to go in an all out fight with a chakra beast, he'll use his 1 shot abilities first priority before he runs out of chakra

Yata mirror defends against all kinds of attacks regardless of having elements in them or not, this is seen in the manga when it defended against Sasuke's physical sword attack and the explosive kunai's.. databook states, whether spiritual, physical, material or ninjutus, it will negate the attak
 

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Sasuke could still predict and dodge his v2 attacks... Itachi is faster and has more reflexes than Sasuke, not a problem

Don't talk about bee base.. he couldn't evven keep up with Itachi's speed

@Bold: Bee never used V2 against Sasuke so this bold is completely irrelevant.

@Underline: Maybe you're the one who shouldn't talk about base bee if you seriously think itachi can keep up with this:
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This misconception about Yata Mirror really needs to stop.

The Databook entry simply states that the form if attack is not pertenate to Yata. The Databook never once states that t is unbreakable, furthermore Yata was the only possible way Itachi could have blocked Kirin. This means that Yata breaks under mountain level damage.

Also, If bee starts Continous Bijudama then even if Amaterasu hits him, he can still get Bijudama off.
 

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@Bold: Bee never used V2 against Sasuke so this bold is completely irrelevant.

@Underline: Maybe you're the one who shouldn't talk about base bee if you seriously think itachi can keep up with this:
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He already did.
 

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I don't know what you mean by "so?" when its obvious by the context of your words that you were implying Itachi can't dodge V2 because Sasuke got hit by V1, despite that being a surprise attack.

I'm saying, what's stopping that from happening to itachi? Bee uses Hachibi to break out of Tsukuyomi like he did against Sasuke and surprise attacks Itachi. All this stuff about Bee not being able to break out of it seems ridiculous just because they think Sasuke couldn't control time.
 

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Itachi wins cause i doubt that Killer bee can counter amatrasue !
 

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This misconception about Yata Mirror really needs to stop.

The Databook entry simply states that the form if attack is not pertenate to Yata. The Databook never once states that t is unbreakable

This is what the databook says about the Yata:

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.


-The Mirror of Yata
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective.

This is what Madara's spirit said about the Yata:

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I chuckle when people think edo feats can be used when talking about living people.

Kabuto said only Edo Madara possessed greater/enhanced ability than he did in life.

Aside from that, the difference is that they don't tire.
 

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I'm saying, what's stopping that from happening to itachi? Bee uses Hachibi to break out of Tsukuyomi like he did against Sasuke and surprise attacks Itachi. All this stuff about Bee not being able to break out of it seems ridiculous just because they think Sasuke couldn't control time.

Bee isn't breaking out of Tsukuyomi.

-He isn't an Uchiha.
-The jutsu is done and over with in 1 second, not enough time to break out.


This misconception about Yata Mirror really needs to stop.

The Databook entry simply states that the form if attack is not pertenate to Yata. The Databook never once states that t is unbreakable, furthermore Yata was the only possible way Itachi could have blocked Kirin. This means that Yata breaks under mountain level damage.

Also, If bee starts Continous Bijudama then even if Amaterasu hits him, he can still get Bijudama off.

@bold: Based on what?
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He used his Skeletal Susanoo to block the majority of Kirin's blast. Hence him saying without this I'd be finished and hence that specific Susanoo being the one that came up after he got up.
 

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I'm saying, what's stopping that from happening to itachi? Bee uses Hachibi to break out of Tsukuyomi like he did against Sasuke and surprise attacks Itachi. All this stuff about Bee not being able to break out of it seems ridiculous just because they think Sasuke couldn't control time.

Sasuke can't control time. It's been stated several times.

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Being able to control time (and compress the illusion) is what makes the partner method ineffective.

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NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

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-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.

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-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.

-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.

-Only those of Uchiha blood... Does it mean only Sasuke has a chance to break a Tsukuyomi?

-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

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Bee has clearly been affected by genjutsu for more than an instant.

You can see that he was paralyzed long enough to faceplanet.

Which is more than an instant. So Tsukuyomi would already have been completed by then.
 
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I chuckle when people think edo feats can be used when talking about living people.

I chuckle when people think Edo Tensei makes him physically faster than he was in life. Unless you have proof Edo Tensei increases your physical speed and reactions then the feat is valid.
 

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I chuckle when people think Edo Tensei makes him physically faster than he was in life. Unless you have proof Edo Tensei increases your physical speed and reactions then the feat is valid.
In edo, stamina would no longer be a problem, which was one of the main reasons that alive itachi won't be able to keep up with Bee.
 

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This misconception about Yata Mirror really needs to stop.

The Databook entry simply states that the form if attack is not pertenate to Yata. The Databook never once states that t is unbreakable, furthermore Yata was the only possible way Itachi could have blocked Kirin. This means that Yata breaks under mountain level damage.

Also, If bee starts Continous Bijudama then even if Amaterasu hits him, he can still get Bijudama off.


Itachi didn't have time to form a full susanno, thus it's impossible that the weapons came out... at most skeleton susanno came out which doesn't have them... how in the world do you break spiritual items? it's the same as saying you can break the spiritual being death god...

Idk how to argue with someone who thinks yata mirror broke


Idk why you're not understanding, that even though Itachi was sick, he still outlasted a perfectly healthy Sasuke in terms of chakra...and still had left to fight

He first sent a clone to go talk to Sasuke.. clones take 50% of your chakra, clones using a medium take a bit less.. so from the moment Sasuke killed the clone that came to give him the location, itachi prob lost 30% of his chakra..

Then he used a genjutsu, followed by tsukyomi, some katons, 2-3x amaterasu's, susanno, transcription seal and another amaterasu..

Itachi's stamina is not the problem here


On the topic of Itachi's speed and your claim that Killer bee is faster, please read my previous post on the matter
Despite the title this thread is very serious, no troll here,

I'm just going to do a quick analysis on just how fast Uchiha Itachi is....because i'm bored and have nothing better to do
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To start off, You should know that Itachi was given a 5 , in speed in the databooks.. Meaning him and Gai are the only individuals in the databook with maxed out speed
But having just a 5 is vague and really doesn't give a good explanation of just how fast this man is..

To put it into perspective..All the 5 shows is he is faster than Sasuke and Kakashi...a good feat since both have been praised in the manga for their speed..But what If I was to say he's much faster than you probably think?

Commence wank!

The first thing I'd like to bring up is this-
Firstly take note of the Distance between Bee/Naruto and Nagato/Itachi
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In the next few pages , though Bee and naruto were facing forward and talking to them, you see Itachi clear that distance almost instantly...

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Two important things about this... Naruto is A sensor and not just a normal kind, he detected itachi's intent before anyone else..
Killer bee on the other hand, completely didn't see itachi, and only realized once warned..hence the bolded "!?" meant to put emphasis on the situation...



For the 2nd speed feat , Once again take note of the distance between the 2 teams of individuals and once again see Itachi once again shunshin blitz killer bee, someone who HAS fought against v1 raikage a few times
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Sasuke and his 4.5 in speed who was stated by tobi and deidara to be fast didn't even come close to doing such things in their fight... If Itachi can easily shunshin behind bee, and didn't tell him he was behind him you can imagine what would have happened...
Noone has done this to killerbee in this manga before, not even Minato...infact, killerbee had no problem fighting Body Flicker and was predicting Minato's movements..

So far the only other individual in the manga that has shown to pull off such effective shunshin burst speeds was Minato ..
Gai has shown a feat similar only once,
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And from it, Sasuke realized he was faster than kakashi...
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But since what Gai did wasn't nearly the same distance and it was used against 12 year olds, the feat kind of pales in comparison..

But lets continue

Another very impressive speed feat of Itachi's + an additional dodging/senses/reflexes feat, is this scan
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Here we see him being attacked from naruto, then dodging bee's attack from behind without turning around

All fine and dandy, but that's not what's important here.. what's important is this scan
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Don't see it? Not looking hard enough...
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After attacking, Bee and Naruto are in the SAME spot, same position, bee is still facing backwards and in the same manner from his missed attack..
YET
Itachi has made his way across the battlefield and over to nagato in ONLY SECONDS...

He can move incredible distances in the period of time it takes a ninja to even move their arm properly..

Enough of friken solo king, start calling this guy Shunshin King
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We have more..

Itachi has shown that he is capable of blitzing Sasuke, a ninja who pretty much mastered 3tomoe at that time, which pretty much gives the person precognition abilities to better see such things..
He's shown that he can Clone feint shunshin blitz a Sennin Mode user (DSM kabuto) Which is a feat for both his speed and Handseal speed..

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Even with heightened sensing abilities, he is still unable to properly track itachi's jutsu execution and shunshin

Additional notable feats-
Blitzing defeating those three mature Uchiha members as a teenager before they could even do anything was impressive as they were members of the Police Force...People who Sasuke seemed to hold in hire regard when he said There was no way itachi could solo them all alone..

Clone shunshin blitzing Kurenai, once again a feat displaying his handseal speed and foot speed


Just some more perspective
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The character Databook uses godlike as a hyperbole to explain Sasuke's speed.


Conclusion-

If I were to try put Itachi's speed somewhere ...It would be somewhere above V1 raikage, but definitely below v2. Itachi's speed and reflexes make his shunshin INCREDIBLY dangerous..

I do believe Itachi was DEFINITELY taught by shishui...
His entire persona and arsenal, are practically mimics of Shishui's...

-Shishui was known worldwide as Shishui of the BodyFlicker
And as being the best genjtusu user of the Uchiha,
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Two things Itachi pretty much excel in....Shishui was older than Itachi and it was stated itachi saw him as an elder brother..

Without a doubt shishui and him trained together

It really impels the question on just how fast Shishui of the Bodyflicker was, or how he utilized it.. to be known for it worldwide... A moniker on the level of the late Yellow Flash..must have been a sight to behold


Sasuke was able to keep up and dodge bee in his chakra cloak form which increased his speed by utilziing the Sharingan's movement prediction.. as I said, Itachi is much faster and has better reflexes than Sasuke, making chakra cloak, base and v2 bee child's play
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In edo, stamina would no longer be a problem, which was one of the main reasons that alive itachi won't be able to keep up with Bee.

That was the very beginning of the fight. If you think stamina would hinder him before he even starts to fight then you have another thing coming. Not to mention his stamina only becomes a problem when he uses MS techniques. Dodging doesn't require any MS techniques so he can do it whether he is living or Edo.
 

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Let me end this. Killer bee uses ink clone. Killer bee usesdouble lariat in v2 form. Amazing speed outmatches itachi and beheads itachi. The end

Itachi tanks with Ribcage, or he dodges it since it is a linear attack which can be avoided by someone with Itachi's speed and Sharingan precog
 

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After reading more about Tsukuyomi, I agree Bee loses to Itachi's. But if it was restricted I see Bee having a strong fighting chance. You just can't use edo feats when you aren't talking about an edo character. Some people say that it's because they may have been altered by Kabuto. Which does make sense, if you read any theories about it. I just disagree with using edo feats.
 

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After reading more about Tsukuyomi, I agree Bee loses to Itachi's. But if it was restricted I see Bee having a strong fighting chance. You just can't use edo feats when you aren't talking about an edo character. Some people say that it's because they may have been altered by Kabuto. Which does make sense, if you read any theories about it. I just disagree with using edo feats.


All edo does is grant unlimited chakra and a body that feels no pain..It does not grant increase in speed, strength or anything else...
Noone or at least i'm not arguing with edo Itachi stamina feats, as that would be a flaw in itself.... I'm arguing with sick Itachi feats, and he had enough stamina to fight on par with a perfectly health Sasuke and outlast him..
 

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After reading more about Tsukuyomi, I agree Bee loses to Itachi's. But if it was restricted I see Bee having a strong fighting chance. You just can't use edo feats when you aren't talking about an edo character. Some people say that it's because they may have been altered by Kabuto. Which does make sense, if you read any theories about it. I just disagree with using edo feats.

Nope. Only Madara was altered by Kabuto. Edo Tensei only gives unlimited stamina, chakra and regen. Not increased speed or strength. He wasn't even being completely controlled by Kabuto so there is no reason to take that feat away from Itachi just because he did it while Edo, despite Edo benefits not helping him to do it in the first place.
 

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Nope. Only Madara was altered by Kabuto. Edo Tensei only gives unlimited stamina, chakra and regen. Not increased speed or strength. He wasn't even being completely controlled by Kabuto so there is no reason to take that feat away from Itachi just because he did it while Edo, despite Edo benefits not helping him to do it in the first place.

I stopped reading after Only madara was altered by Kabuto.

So uhm, how do you think Itachi got the Senju DNA required for Izanami?
 
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