Feats gai is superior to sasori?, meh you are allowed to believe what you want. I will not even disgrace you again. Wasnt you who said kakashi is better with the sharigan than sasuke. Isnt you who said activation of the ms requires skill. Both cases you were proved wrong. Ive no intention of proving you wrong that sasori has more feats than gai. Needless to say that doesnt judge who wins a fight.
What i said isnt retarded, as i said there are more important things on my mind than this thread U_U. You can believe gai > sasori or kakashi > itachi, i couldnt care less
Feats gai is superior to sasori?, meh you are allowed to believe what you want. I will not even disgrace you again. Wasnt you who said kakashi is better with the sharigan than sasuke.
Because you can't Sasori's feats were achieved against Sakura and Chiyo. He defeated a kage off panel. Now compare that to Gai's on panel feats. Gai is superior by FEATS. Deal with it.
Now you're putting words into my mouth. I said Current Kakashi>HEBI Sasuke.
You can't prove it doesn't.
No I wasn't.
Because you can't Sasori's feats were achieved against Sakura and Chiyo. He defeated a kage off panel. Now compare that to Gai's on panel feats. Gai is superior by FEATS. Deal with it.
For you it might not be retarded, but for anyone who isn't a retard will think it is.
Its already been said how to activate the ms in the manga and yet you say its skill. You say gai has more feats than sasori. I wonder if gai got a nickname such as sasori of the red sand because of what he did in the 3 world war, but also defeated a whole country. What gai feat matches this.
Anyway there seem to be this retarded logic on nb that if you take a ninja's kg from them they are useless or weak. This might apply to a few but not many.
Also i wonder why you deny what you said about kakashi being the better user of the sharigan than sasuke, or do you want me to link that thread or your post
First things that need to says is that databook stoped at chapter 409
so about 160 chapter ago !
while itachi died ,kakashi did great progress that have not been include in databook.
According to the manga and old databook that stoped at chapter 409 :
genjutsu : itachi
databook --> kakashi : 4 itachi : 5
kakashi and itachi can use genjutsu without sharingan but at lower level than sharingan genjutsus,without sharingan i'll put itachi a few above , because of his 2 finger low level genjutsus Dusk Crow Genjutsu and Ephemeral.
ninjutsu : : kakashi
databook --> kakashi : 5 itachi : 5
affinities can't be copied so they both still have all their elements,
itachi can use katon and suiton ,has a good fireball jutsu and can use housenka as well and a good fast suiton attack,
kakashi can use suiton,raiton and doton so more jutsu than itachi and got advantages to counter any itachi's attack.
people keep saying he only has chidori and forgot that he also got kage bunshin,Summoning Tracking Fang,raiton kage bunshin,raiju hashiri,raiden and raikiri and some suiton and doton impressing jutsu like suiji heki and doton shinju zanshu etc...
chakra : kakashi
databook --> kakashi : 3 itachi : 2.5
thread says no sharingan, kakashi will a better endurance than itachi who has 2.5 .
strengh : kakashi
databook --> kakashi : 3.5 itachi : 3.5
they're equal but the fact that kakashi can use gate is largely enough to put him above itachi,it's clearly stated only for the 1st gate
The Gate of Opening (開門, Kaimon), located in the brain. This gate removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so 100% of their strength can be used whereas normally, a person can only use 20% of their muscles' strength to keep them from disintegrating. Unlocking this gate allows the user to use the Front Lotus
they're about equal ,personally i prefer kakashi's style because he passed all his life to fight with gai to perform his taijutsu.
speed : itachi
databook --> kakashi : 4.5 itachi : 5
itachi is a bitfaster than kakashi according to the last databook ,i believe that the actual kakashi is about at itachi's speed,that's not in databook which stop at chapter 409 but manga stated that nagato and tobi rekognized his speed skill and he was able to save naruto from tobi in the last second before that tobi kill naruto.
Intelligence:draw
databook --> kakashi : 5 itachi : 5
they are both geniuses, suspecting if either one was smarter would be completely ignorant and incompetent. Itachi didn't plan anything, and he failed anyway's. Kakashi's just really smart, and has good intellect. And Itachi is basically just a boy Genius who can throw Kunai good. Itachi is a smart ass, and is loyal, Kakashi came up with a technique of his own at the age of 13 that is just as bit as good as Rasengan.
finally kakashi will win that fight but itachi will put a good fight.kakashi is just better than him without sharingan and he didn't stop to increase his skill contrary to itachi who died.
This is why people dislike most the Itachi fandom around these forums. Quite frankly, taking away the sharingan hinders Itachi more than it does Kakashi. I haven't seen so much overrating since Justin bieber lmao.
As for the match, I'll just copy and paste what I said in the other thread.
Kakashi CANNOT see his handseals without his sharingan..
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Infact with his eyes, he said he could barely keep up with them.. now you take them away? To him itachi wont be moving his hands at all.. Which means itachi can pull off anyone of his Non mangekyou Genjutsus and kakashi won't even know it..
As for your "Kakashi kage bunshin feints alot" .. Well itachi feints, see's through kakashi's feint and feints again..
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Raikiri? useless without the sharingan he'll be running right into itachi blinded by his own speed...
He'll have to rely on his other jutsu....
With Itachi being faster, Each of his clones Being able to explode , Kakashi being unable to see Itachi cast any jutsu At all
, Itachi's expert shruiken throwing ability, that kabuto states uses blindspots, and that there is no way of dodging
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Close combat--
According to databooks they are even in this regard , but its not that simple, as i said before itachi is able to make Kage bunshins so fast that people don't even see it, and Kakashi already stated his inability to keep up with them WITH sharingan..
So we have them engaging in hand to hand combat , and itachi being able to create kagebunshins
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, thus giving him the edge in that fight... but not only that as stated before his kagebunshins explode... kakashi took a slight hit from it and was all bruised and worn out..
And damnn... I do hope you all realize , Totsuka sword and yata mirror were not found by itachi's susanno ...
He found it wherever ..picked it up with his hands, it changed form since according to the databook it has no real form.. thus when he let susanno equip it it got bigger... but in his hands it would be just as small as a normal katana...
but itachi doesn't even need that..
You cant fight someone who
1) Is faster than you and can blitz you
2) You dont even see him using handseals and ontop of it he's a genjutsu master
3) Can hit you with shruiken and you dont see them coming
4)+ more..
Off panel feat. A country which might've had a bunch of fodder. Nameless ninja=fodder. Sasori's best OFF PANEL feat was defeating a kage. On panel? Not better than Gai's.
Gai spanked Kisame more than once.
Gai was duking it out with V2 Jins who had sharingan and rinnegan. These were the same V2 Jins who were overwhelming Naruto and Bee, so they aint weak by any means.
Gai didn't even use his most powerful attack (the final gate)
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Base Sasuke without sharingan doing this, so defeating nameless ninja isn't very impressive.
Anyway there seem to be this retard logic on nb that if you take a ninja's kg from them they are useless or weak. This might apply to a few but not many.
Itachi isn't useless without sharingan, he is still a very capable ninja. However your fanboyism for the Uchiha in general has blinded you. Anyway this thread isn't about Sasori or Gai. Why did you bring it up? Are you still butthurt? Lmao.
Databook 3 - Kasegui no Jutsu
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.
[picture of the Sharingan]
↑Performing handseals is unnecessary. All that is needed to use this technique is to have the enemy meet one's eyes!
[picture of Orochimaru being caught in this genjutsu]
↑In front of this technique, even Orochimaru is like a frog being glared at by a snake.
You need to understand.. the only abilities sharingan gives , is the ability to CAST genjutsu via eye contact, ability to tame summons and bijuu, Mangekyou abilities..
All other abilities you see itachi cast, can be used with handseals.... he is just casting them with eye contact...
I posted one jutsu, which is the the binding genjutsu Itachi used on Orochimaru.. It says that using handseals are unncesary and all that is needed is looking into the persons ees..
without sharingan, itachi can clearly still use this jutsu..
and remember...kakashi cant see his handseals..so all kakashi is gonna see/feel is him unable to move..
Then what?
He gets his armed cut off like oro...
This fight is dumb.. itachi will pulverize kakashi without his sharingan.. he has a better chance of surviving genjutsu's with it...
Kakashi CANNOT see his handseals without his sharingan..
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Infact with his eyes, he said he could barely keep up with them.. now you take them away? To him itachi wont be moving his hands at all.. Which means itachi can pull off anyone of his Non mangekyou Genjutsus and kakashi won't even know it..
As for your "Kakashi kage bunshin feints alot" .. Well itachi feints, see's through kakashi's feint and feints again..
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Raikiri? useless without the sharingan he'll be running right into itachi blinded by his own speed...
He'll have to rely on his other jutsu....
With Itachi being faster, Each of his clones Being able to explode , Kakashi being unable to see Itachi cast any jutsu At all
, Itachi's expert shruiken throwing ability, that kabuto states uses blindspots, and that there is no way of dodging
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Close combat--
According to databooks they are even in this regard , but its not that simple, as i said before itachi is able to make Kage bunshins so fast that people don't even see it, and Kakashi already stated his inability to keep up with them WITH sharingan..
So we have them engaging in hand to hand combat , and itachi being able to create kagebunshins
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, thus giving him the edge in that fight... but not only that as stated before his kagebunshins explode... kakashi took a slight hit from it and was all bruised and worn out..
And damnn... I do hope you all realize , Totsuka sword and yata mirror were not found by itachi's susanno ...
He found it wherever ..picked it up with his hands, it changed form since according to the databook it has no real form.. thus when he let susanno equip it it got bigger... but in his hands it would be just as small as a normal katana...
but itachi doesn't even need that..
You cant fight someone who
1) Is faster than you and can blitz you
2) You dont even see him using handseals and ontop of it he's a genjutsu master
3) Can hit you with shruiken and you dont see them coming
4)+ more..
oh?
can you give me a page of upto date kakshi being able to see itachi's hand seals better ?
you can't?
We can sit here all day and say, hey!! kakashi improved ALOT After the time skip, he can probably read itachi's handseals better
Then i can say , itachi could have improved alot of the three years , his handseals could have gotten faster.. whats your point?
you account for kakashi getting better but not itachi?
According to databooks kakashi improved, speed,taijutsu,intelligence
conjecture.. moving on
Off panel feat. A country which might've had a bunch of fodder. Nameless ninja=fodder. Sasori's best OFF PANEL feat was defeating a kage. On panel? Not better than Gai's.
Gai spanked Kisame more than once.
Gai was duking it out with V2 Jins who had sharingan and rinnegan. These were the same V2 Jins who were overwhelming Naruto and Bee, so they aint weak by any means.
Gai didn't even use his most powerful attack (the final gate)
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Base Sasuke without sharingan doing this, so defeating nameless ninja isn't very impressive.
Itachi isn't useless without sharingan, he is still a very capable ninja. However your fanboyism for the Uchiha in general has blinded you. Anyway this thread isn't about Sasori or Gai. Why did you bring it up? Are you still butthurt? Lmao.
Prove it doesnt require skill?, meh i cannot be bothered to upload a chapter of how to activate the ms. Sasori's nickname is what he achieved during th war. No different to minato's nickname or the sannin or any other. I like the way you downplay sasori's feats yet hype gai's feats. If i was to actually take my time in this thread, i can show you gai's true feats. Its doesnt measure up to sasori's..
As for the my sig, ive my reason for having it. It has little to do with being a fan of the uchiha, believe it or not. You arent worth me actually taking my time with you. Youve already proved in that sasuke vs kakashi and sasori vs gai thread that you arent to be taken seriously. Nobody is butt hurt, im actually enjoying the spurs vs manu game as we speak, not butt hurt at all, there are more important things to think about
P1 Kakashi. Who is far weaker than his current self, also despite Itachi's handseals being so fast not only did Kakashi react to him. Kakashi managed to create a bunshin AND save Kurenai.
Infact with his eyes, he said he could barely keep up with them.. now you take them away? To him itachi wont be moving his hands at all.. Which means itachi can pull off anyone of his Non mangekyou Genjutsus and kakashi won't even know it..
Baseless, you do realise P1 Kakashi (a weaker version) not only reacted to Itachi, but he managed to create a bunshin and save Kurenai. Futhermore, you bring up your genjutsu argument.
If it was that easy Itachi wouldn't have resorted to the MS (something which poses a great risk to himself) Read the manga again and you'll know sharingan provides some resistance towards genjutsu in general. Even as a kid, Kakashi showed some decent genjutsu prowess snapping people out of genjutsu etc
He can still use it, even a young Kakashi without sharingan was able to land a hit on the clone. It wouldn't be a great idea because of the speed, however he still has rasengan.
With Itachi being faster, Each of his clones Being able to explode , Kakashi being unable to see Itachi cast any jutsu At all
, Itachi's expert shruiken throwing ability, that kabuto states uses blindspots, and that there is no way of dodging
You do realise he was talking about Nagato? Because Nagato was not mobile enough. Anyway I know Itachi has great shruken skills.
What's your point? A Part 1 Kakashi was able to see through that.
Close combat--
According to databooks they are even in this regard , but its not that simple, as i said before itachi is able to make Kage bunshins so fast that people don't even see it, and Kakashi already stated his inability to keep up with them WITH sharingan..
So we have them engaging in hand to hand combat , and itachi being able to create kagebunshins
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, thus giving him the edge in that fight... but not only that as stated before his kagebunshins explode... kakashi took a slight hit from it and was all bruised and worn out..
A little taijutsu battle between them ended in a stalemate, before you say it was "30% Itachi" i'd like to remind you that it was also a 50% Kakashi kage bunshin. However, Itachi lated noted they are physical replicas of themselves so taijutsu shouldn't be affected.
You cant fight someone who
1) Is faster than you and can blitz you
2) You dont even see him using handseals and ontop of it he's a genjutsu master
3) Can hit you with shruiken and you dont see them coming
4)+ more..
A part 1 Kakashi was able to react to Itachi despite being slower. There will be no blitzing.
Part 1 my friend
3. Kakashi has a sharingan, even in P1 Itachi noted how Kakashi'e eye was remarkable despite npy being an Uchiha.
Futhermore, you mention Itachi's feats/ They are good, no doubt.
However, don't forget Kakashi with a mere kunai has held of the likes of Zabuza/Hidan despite them using superior weapons. His skill with weapons shouldn't be underestimated.
Also...
I wouldn't be suprised if Kakashi has a 5 in the next data book. It will come out soon so don't be suprised.
Itachi will win! why? I think he has more chakra than kakashi, and well both are geniuses but, kakashi will just have raikiri as his only jutsu (gay said that) and I think Itachi has more jutsus!
P1 Kakashi. Who is far weaker than his current self, also despite Itachi's handseals being so fast not only did Kakashi react to him. Kakashi managed to create a bunshin AND save Kurenai.
Baseless, you do realise P1 Kakashi (a weaker version) not only reacted to Itachi, but he managed to create a bunshin and save Kurenai. Futhermore, you bring up your genjutsu argument.
If it was that easy Itachi wouldn't have resorted to the MS (something which poses a great risk to himself) Read the manga again and you'll know sharingan provides some resistance towards genjutsu in general. Even as a kid, Kakashi showed some decent genjutsu prowess snapping people out of genjutsu etc
That panel shows Itachi falling for Kakashi's bunshin? Lol.
He can still use it, even a young Kakashi without sharingan was able to land a hit on the clone. It wouldn't be a great idea because of the speed, however he still has rasengan.
You do realise he was talking about Nagato? Because Nagato was not mobile enough. Anyway I know Itachi has great shruken skills.
What's your point? A Part 1 Kakashi was able to see through that.
Part 1 Kakashi. And lets not forget P1 Kakashi reacted to Itachi fine despite being slower.
A little taijutsu battle between them ended in a stalemate, before you say it was "30% Itachi" i'd like to remind you that it was also a 50% Kakashi kage bunshin. However, Itachi lated noted they are physical replicas of themselves so taijutsu shouldn't be affected.
A part 1 Kakashi was able to react to Itachi despite being slower. There will be no blitzing.
Part 1 my friend
3. Kakashi has a sharingan, even in P1 Itachi noted how Kakashi'e eye was remarkable despite npy being an Uchiha.
Futhermore, you mention Itachi's feats/ They are good, no doubt.
However, don't forget Kakashi with a mere kunai has held of the likes of Zabuza/Hidan despite them using superior weapons. His skill with weapons shouldn't be underestimated.
Also...
I wouldn't be suprised if Kakashi has a 5 in the next data book. It will come out soon so don't be suprised.
Lmao i love how you say part 1 kakashi BUT NOT part 1 itachi
You think itachi didn't get faster in 3 years? increase his handspeed in 3 years?
you attribute growth to ONLY kakashi in the timeskip but say nothing about itachi...
Itachi stayed the exact same way? total and absolute bullshit.. incredibly bias also...
Who had more potential to grow? the 30 year old man or the 17-21 year old boy?
Your entire argument was based on your theory that kakashi got better and itachi stayed the same thus kakashi will be able to fight him equally..
No.. if kakashi would have gotten better.. in fact EVERY character got better in the 3 years...
Then itachii would have gotten better
and if there is no proof that one had a better improved than the other , then their fight would go the exact same way as it went in he past.. kakashi still being unable to keep up with itachi etc
The taijutsu brawl they had, as you said it was 30% vs 50 % , and itachi was unable to do anything like kage bunshin exploding or anything of the sort due to only having 30% chakra at his disposal.. less than 30% he casted a few jutsu before hand
And as for you last pic, Tobi's compliment on kakashi's speed?
so? Tobi also told sasuke he was fast and sasuke has 4.5..same as kakashi
Do tell me whats kakashi's defence again genjutsu that oro was unable to break? and got his hand cut off ... And this was genjutsu itachi used when he was11-13..
You refeer at his words when he said that he can't keep up with his him while i'm refeering to his actions.
Ok Kakashi coulnd't see his handsign,but oh he used a random suiton suijiheki and oh he could counter his next atack with a suiton clone?
random? don't be stupid...
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itachi said it himself (your eyes of penetrating is remarkable"
"isn't it right?" then again kakashi planed his suiton clone and was there under water to save kurenai because his saw that the other itachi was an explosive clone.
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We can sit here all day and say, hey!! kakashi improved ALOT After the time skip, he can probably read itachi's handseals better
by reading itachi fanboys as you are.
Nobody can beat the lord itachi invinsible even without sharingan .
Then i can say , itachi could have improved alot of the three years , his handseals could have gotten faster.. whats your point?
you account for kakashi getting better but not itachi?
According to databooks kakashi improved, speed,taijutsu,intelligence
conjecture.. moving on
No databook says that he didn't changed, in contrary he lost a lot because of his illness...All you do is bringing speculations.
I don't waste my time with speculations.
Do tell me whats kakashi's defence again genjutsu that oro was unable to break? and got his hand cut off ... And this was genjutsu itachi used when he was11-13..
