He used Tsukuyomi.Then he had a moment of backlash Sasuke didn't take the opportunity to attack right after breaking out.He used amaterasu on the katon and suffered backlash, he used amaterasu on that toad belly jutsu but was he in battle? Nope he was escaping, if Itachi uses too many MS moves like you guys are claiming then he will lose and suffer the consequences.
All it takes is 1 small ama shot per toad, a tsukuyomi shot for jiraiya, & susanoo for any dire situations.
Itachi wont need to use large amas, he wont need to use two tsukuyomis, he wont need to use his completed susanoo. You think that Itachi will be spamming his MS jutsus to their full extent when that's clearly not what would happen.
How does jiraiya keep up with Itachi's shunshin? How does jiraiya escape ephemeral/tsukuyomi combo? What about a totsuka blitz with juts the hand of his susanoo? all of these are simple yet effective ways for Itachi to kill jiraiya without utilizing all of his chakra. Dont forget he still has to enter SM so he has to defend & attack without the use of his hands.
Not the point, lmao. The fact is that Jiraiya wont even know that he's under genjutsu (because he's not a sensor), therefore by the time he figures it out then he will be trapped in a tsukuyomi. I call it the ephemeral/tsukuyomi combo. Lol (creative I know )
With knowledge, Itachi has no hope at winning this match(although Jiraya had already knowledge on the most essential parts of his fighting style anyway, so it advantages Itachi a little bit if anything). Jiraya has too many ways to defeat Itachi that it's not even funny.
Amaterasu?
Requires prep time especially in Itachi's case who is limited in the use of MS due to his lack of stamina
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Killer bee would have made a hole in itachi's skull if it werent for nagato and his shinra tensei
Put Jiraya in his place, and Jiraya's fastest attacks like Needle senbon would have finished him off.
Regardless of this anyway, Jiraya has large chakra reserve.
- He could just send/spam clones and Itachi's Amaterasu would be useless
- He can protect himself with his hair defensive jutsu(needle jizo) harder than steel and if he wants, use it as a weapon against Itachi by firing it back to him(needle senbon)
- With sealing scroll method he used in part1, it's useless as well.
And no, don't say Jiraya won't be able to perform the technique when Amaterasu has a hella slow burning rate portrayed in this manga
Genjutsu?
- Again against clones it's useless
- He already showed his skills in genjutsu counter anyway since part1, when he deflected Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu he used on a woman to distract him, something that impressed the group even
- Jiraya is a great summoning user, using it in practically every of his fights. So partner method renders this useless as well
Susanoo?
- It doesn't protect from underground. Jiraya uses Yomi Numa, and it's the end for Itachi
- In Sage Mode, all he has to do is stay at a decent distance to cast Frog Genjutsu and he wins
- Yata's hype covers Ninjutsu only. It can't protect against sennin attacks
- He can also use Frog song that works exactly like Kabuto's white rage technique(paralysing the victim), and thus making Itachi unable to maintain Susanoo and finishes him off
Not even mentioning the fact Itachi can only use 3 or 4 MS moves when he was alive U_U
ama takes prep Jiraiya can exploit it and kill Itachi.If Itachi wastes his energy amaterasu toads then he'll just suffer more and more regardless of its size.
Jiraiya makes bunshins to counter that overrated eye genjutsu next.
With knowledge, Itachi has no hope at winning this match(although Jiraya had already knowledge on the most essential parts of his fighting style anyway, so it advantages Itachi a little bit if anything). Jiraya has too many ways to defeat Itachi that it's not even funny.
Needle senbon?? lmfao I'm sorry but needle senbon is not faster than Itachi's speed, & even then Itachi can simply cancel the ama shot & pull out a quick ribcage if he's about to get hit Which is childs play for him unless those needles can move faster than lightning.
Regardless of this anyway, Jiraya has large chakra reserve.
Clones fighting Itachi in taijutsu? lmfao ama isnt even needed for these fodders who cant keep up with the sharingan
- He can protect himself with his hair defensive jutsu(needle jizo) harder than steel and if he wants, use it as a weapon against Itachi by firing it back to him(needle senbon)
Oh jeeze, then that's when ama comes in to play, Itachi summons crows, pulls out a kage bunshin in the confusion & blitzes behind him, ama shot point blank (unless you think jiraiya can keep up with itachi's shunshin & reflexes while having to defend against itachi's clone).
- With sealing scroll method he used in part1, it's useless as well.
XD lol what a terrible point. Jiraiya gets blitzed before he has the chance to seal any flames, not to mention the flames will be burning him. Dont make me laugh..
And no, don't say Jiraya won't be able to perform the technique when Amaterasu has a hella slow burning rate portrayed in this manga
wtf is this bullsh*t, show me kage bunshins making genjutsu useless
- He already showed his skills in genjutsu counter anyway since part1, when he deflected Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu he used on a woman to distract him, something that impressed the group even
Easy, sharingan reads movements, Itachi can deactivate susanoo & shunshin away. Unless jiraiya has Sm speed then he will always lose to Itachi in a speed battle, no debate.
- In Sage Mode, all he has to do is stay at a decent distance to cast Frog Genjutsu and he wins
Yes in SM he stands quite a good chance, however prepping to go into ism is the reason why he gets killed. & defending in base will only be a battle of speed which Itachi is superior in.
- Yata's hype covers Ninjutsu only. It can't protect against sennin attacks
Ninjutsu is included, all physical attacks rendered useless..
- He can also use Frog song that works exactly like Kabuto's white rage technique(paralysing the victim), and thus making Itachi unable to maintain Susanoo and finishes him off
And he used them to his full extent & got severely injured on purpose, he doesnt need a complete susanoo, he doesnt need to litter the battlefield with ama & he doesnt have to maintain tsukuyomi for longer than a few seconds. You grossly underestimate Itachi's MS abilities. an ama shot smaller than a person can easily take out toads if aimed at the head. 3 small ama shots, Itachi has room for at least a tsukuyomi & his susanoo if used sparingly. Jiraiya aint winnin this unless he goes SM. If he tries goin SM he dies, simple.
Lol @ it was KA. How can Itachi cast a jutsu he doesn't possess? KA was in the crow he put inside Naruto. He made it as such that it would emerge an cast KA with eye contact with his mangekyou. Something Itachi explained himself:
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"I rigged that crow so that it would show itself, reacting to my mangekyou"
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Get your facts straight please
It was Amaterasu that he used there, only that the crow reacted to his mangekyou and thus stopped him attacking because of the genjutsu order or protecting konoha:
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Amaterasu workings(Itachi's case)
1- Eye bleeding
2- Right eye cast Amaterasu
It's exactly what happened there, isn't it? Then enough with the BS that he wasn't using Amaterasu. Nagato who is a sensor even confirmed it
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The pic you posted just prove my point. Itachi already concentrated the chakra for Amaterasu beforehand
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KA stopped him from attacking
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Now with his mind freed from Kabuto, he decided to use the cumulated chakra to attack his enemies:
Needle senbon?? lmfao I'm sorry but needle senbon is not faster than Itachi's speed, & even then Itachi can simply cancel the ama shot & pull out a quick ribcage if he's about to get hit Which is childs play for him unless those needles can move faster than lightning.
Yes it does because when Itachi's most powerful moves can only be made 3 or 4 times when Jiraya can spam his moves without breaking a sweat, all Jiraya can do is stalling the fight under some extensive duration and he has the match won and Jiraya has all the techniques needed to be capable of that
Clones fighting Itachi in taijutsu? lmfao ama isnt even needed for these fodders who cant keep up with the sharingan
Clones aren't fodders. They are perfect copies of original. Depends on how you use them either for diversions or counters. We've seen how Kakashi's fodder clone owned Itachi
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We've seen how Jiraya's fodder was fodder
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Oh jeeze, then that's when ama comes in to play, Itachi summons crows, pulls out a kage bunshin in the confusion & blitzes behind him, ama shot point blank (unless you think jiraiya can keep up with itachi's shunshin & reflexes while having to defend against itachi's clone).
He doesn't need to. Jiraya's wide range hair offensive and defensive attacks would gladly take care of Itachi if he even gets the fooling idea to come in close range
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Well not as if even at long range, he would be safe Lol
XD lol what a terrible point. Jiraiya gets blitzed before he has the chance to seal any flames, not to mention the flames will be burning him. Dont make me laugh..
No need for me to show the obvious. KB is a fake. Using genjutsu on something that isn't you is obviously not gonna make you go far, right? Unless even basic things like this are hard for you to understand?
That was a cool feat, however itachi's genjutsu can paralyze the arms, oro's an example.
And Jiraya said it was too weak than normal even lol:
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Easy, sharingan reads movements, Itachi can deactivate susanoo & shunshin away. Unless jiraiya has Sm speed then he will always lose to Itachi in a speed battle, no debate.
Again no, Jiraya's wide range ninjutsu hair technique makes even Sharingan useless because of the imprevisibility of his attacks
Yes in SM he stands quite a good chance, however prepping to go into ism is the reason why he gets killed. & defending in base will only be a battle of speed which Itachi is superior in.
You should need to understand that in a description of a technique, there is something called overview(it explains the workings in general) and there is another that describes a technique particularly. I can't find the link at the moment, but there is the characteristics of yata that is described in the same databook. It's there that you know the weakness of the technique
Lol @ it was KA. How can Itachi cast a jutsu he doesn't possess? KA was in the crow he put inside Naruto. He made it as such that it would emerge an cast KA with eye contact with his mangekyou. Something Itachi explained himself:
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"I rigged that crow so that it would show itself, reacting to my mangekyou"
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Get your facts straight please
It was Amaterasu that he used there, only that the crow reacted to his mangekyou and thus stopped him attacking because of the genjutsu order or protecting konoha:
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Amaterasu workings(Itachi's case)
1- Eye bleeding
2- Right eye cast Amaterasu
It's exactly what happened there, isn't it? Then enough with the BS that he wasn't using Amaterasu. Nagato who is a sensor even confirmed it
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The pic you posted just prove my point. Itachi already concentrated the chakra for Amaterasu beforehand
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KA stopped him from attacking
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Now with his mind freed from Kabuto, he decided to use the cumulated chakra to attack his enemies:
KA was activated due to Itachi's MS, the activation of KA is slow. I never once said anything about the chakra build up. That is apparent but its also apparent that Itachi can fend off attacks while prepping ama. KA was a slow activating jutsu, I was showing you how fast ama is. If Itachi preps enough chakra for ama then he can use it instantly & in small bursts. Itachi vs sasuke, he prepped it & shot out two consecutive, large shots. Three small, well placed shots is a cakewalk for the summons, & dont say it isnt. & dont say that Itachi cannot prep ama in time, jiraiya does not have the speed to stop itachi, sharingan can track him.
Jiraya said the only way to dodge needle senbon is to put a shield and that even if you are a sensor:
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Pretty sure the attack is fast enough to finish off a Itachi concentrating himself for a jutsu and leaving himself open
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And even if he changes his idea and uses Susanoo in time, Yomi Numa would finish him off as well
Absolute bullsh*t, first of all needle senbon is jiraiya's fastest attack against normal enemies, sharingan makes short work of such a jutsu, Itachi will shunshin a safe distance away while pulling out a ribcage. & lmfao if you think jiraiya is pulling out the swamp before Itachi notices & shunshins even further away. Itachi's shunshin is some of the best we've seen (some of the fastest & longest distances), & he has the adequate speed in order to evade such an attack.
Yes it does because when Itachi's most powerful moves can only be made 3 or 4 times when Jiraya can spam his moves without breaking a sweat, all Jiraya can do is stalling the fight under some extensive duration and he has the match won and Jiraya has all the techniques needed to be capable of that
WTF? stop relying of Itachis best moves as his only moves, he doesnt need them in every situation, shurikenjutsu can finish jiraiya off if he's not careful. Has jiraiya ever even fought an uchiha as skilled as Itachi? who at 13 was able to take down 3 jounin level sharingan wielders? God damn man, MS isnt his only arsenal, they are finishers so they will be used to finish, not to spam. I also hate the fact that you think jiraiya can pull all of this off without the use of his eyes because eye/hand contact spells defeat. & I havent seen any taijutsu feats that put jiraiya-boy on gai's level of expertise. So please tell me how jiraiya fights at full capacity when he has to worry about genjutsu (which will one shot).
Clones aren't fodders. They are perfect copies of original. Depends on how you use them either for diversions or counters. We've seen how Kakashi's fodder clone owned Itachi
Wow...do better than that bogard...Not only was Itachi using a 30% clone, but kakashi got owned in the end...I do not get your point, there was no owning, kakashi got his ass handed to him. Not to mention Itachi wasnt fighting to kill, he was fighting for the hell of it, he was never serious. Sure the clone distracted him but Itachi can create his own clones & at a faster rate & they can blitz even a sharingan user, lmfao. Itachi's speed alone sh*ts on jiraiya's. If jiraiya summons a clone, Itachi does it twice as fast. None of jiraiya's movements are escaping the sharingan. Case closed.
He doesn't need to. Jiraya's wide range hair offensive and defensive attacks would gladly take care of Itachi if he even gets the fooling idea to come in close range
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Well not as if even at long range, he would be safe Lol
Wrong, you have any proof that jiraiya's hair senbon can move faster than the sharingan can track? let alone Itachi's sharingan? lol dont make me laugh (oops, you already did).
Sharingan is not useless, stop spouting this garbage & learn to read, where is the proof than hair senbon makes sharingan useless. Don't give me implications either I want proof, stop beating around the bush for once, lol.
Not really. Read above. The one who will get killed in this condition is Itachi
Crow clone, where on earth does jiraiya know where Itachi is coming from at that point? He doesnt, your lies are useless here. Jiraiya needs a barrier in order to sense Itachi's movements effectively but even that is too slow for him. All of your useless feats are too slow for the sharingan, nothing is even on his level of speed except for the senbon which can be effortlessly tanked by ribcage susanoo. Please bro, enough of your nonsense..
Again not really. Read above. You only state moot points and you want me to take you seriously?
No he wont, Ama will continuously burn jiraiya's beautiful mane, then its over. If jiraiya tries to pull out that silly scroll then Itachi burns it along with his hands. You wont take me seriously because there's nothing you can say that can help you.
No need for me to show the obvious. KB is a fake. Using genjutsu on something that isn't you is obviously not gonna make you go far, right? Unless even basic things like this are hard for you to understand?
Kage bunshins still fall for genjutsu, thus they become useless. Genjutsu works on them, therefore your point is debunked, no need to explain what's clearly being shown.
True but not only Oro isn't Jiraya, but Oro would have broken it if not his intervention
Exactly my point, Itachi intervened, this ruined oro's chance at breaking genjutsu & he lost an arm in the process. Itachi actually spared his life, that arm could've easily been his head, or an ama shot. Either way, Itachi can paralyze opponents & stop them from breaking genjutsu via normal means, unless you think jiraiya can do what oro couldnt. If you do think so then prove it.
Tell me about it:
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And Jiraya said it was too weak than normal even lol:
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Again no, Jiraya's wide range ninjutsu hair technique makes even Sharingan useless
1 manga panel does not justify lightning speed, if that was the case then many jutsus are also classified under that category.
Also, swamp is only effective over an earth terrain, it turns the earth into mud. VoTE is over water, swamp in this case is useless.
But even so, sharingan can track swamp before it happens, Itachi's shunshin (which was able to reach nagato's bird) can easily open the gap & cost jiraiya chakra.
Another counter (although this may cost a bit of chakra) is to use susanoo hands to move around, he can dissipate one & reform another one, thus allowing himself to walk via the hands. This is a last ditch effort though.
& As for katon, yata.
I believe Jiraya can win this fight even in base, let alone capable of entering SM during a fight
Base gets stomped, you think jiraiya is fast enough to even react to shunshin from Itachi, laughable, laughable to say the least. XD
You should need to understand that in a description of a technique, there is something called overview(it explains the workings in general) and there is another that describes a technique particularly. I can't find the link at the moment, but there is the characteristics of yata that is described in the same databook. It's there that you know the weakness of the technique
If Jiraiya doesn't start in SM, then he stands no chance.
Base Jiraiya has no speed feats, whereas Itachi's shunshin is easily one of the fastest in the manga.
Itachi blitz' him and forces a taijutsu battle during which Jiraiya dies.
His sharingan can track any moves Jiraiya makes, combined with his speed means any jutsu are avoided, plus he has to fight without looking Itachi in the eyes or at his hands, otherwise he is caught in a Genjutsu he cannot escape from.
Orochimaru had a 5 for genjutsu in the databook, whereas Jiraiya has a 3, yet Orochimaru couldn't break out of Itachi's genjutsu, and got his hand cut off.
That could just as easily have been his head.
Sharingan genjutsu = Jiraiya dead.
Also if he is avoiding eye contact with his hands or eyes, to stop genjutsu, he will be unable to tell when Itachi throws kunai, or uses any jutsu such as Katon or clones.
No way in hell Jiraiya even gets past a taijutsu battle with Itachi, who has superior speed, a sharingan, Jiraiya is severly handicapped due to genjutsu and he cant even tell when Itachi is going to use jutsu/kunai/shuriken.
Like Chiyo said, never get into a 1 on 1 battle with a sharingan user.
Itachi takes this comfortably. Itachi's crow clones should provide just as much of a distraction if not more for Jiraiya. If Sasuke - whose eyes are more powerful than Itachi's - couldn't see through the entire process, then Jiraiya has no chance. Most of the points have already been covered so, it will be a waste of time to repeat those.
I would add that Amaterasu's second usage is very speedy. An example would be Nagato, who noticed the chakra build up for the first one, but failed to sense it the second time. That puts Jiraiya at a large disadvantage. SM Initiation takes a colossal time and the only thing that could benefit him against Susano'o is Frog Song which takes such a colossal time to prepare that Jiraiya had to heed the frogs' advise and sneak into the pipes to activate it.
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