Itachi Vs Hashirama READ FIRST

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Kushina told naruto during the Madara & Hashirama battle that the 1st took control of the Kyuubi, now here is were the translation is unclear to me Mito Uzumaki sealed the Nine tail fox becoming the first 9 Tails Jinchūriki to better Aid Hashirama??? Is that during the fight with Madara or after???If it was during the fight i think they both ganged up on madara 2-1 giving the 1st the win.

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If they did both team up on Madara i don't think it was a 1 on 1 battle fair fight kushina stated that Mito was a strong female ninja on top of that born with particularlly strong chakra able to surpress the Kyuubi.

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Minato did mention that Madara wasn't able to keep the kyuubi control for a long time

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When Madara tryed summoning the Kyuubi he tolded naruto that he'd lend him his chakra to rather not be captured and be controlled by Madara again.

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So this is my theory about the Hashirama I think he's strong no doubt about it if he can go heads up with the uchiha clan but I think his fight with Madara was kind of over hyped if you ask me.This what i think what happen Madara & Hashirama were going at it Madara got frustrated and summoned the Nine tails but Hashirama was still putting up a fight. Mito arrives at the valley of end while Madara wasn't able to keep the kyuubi under control much longer so the kyuubi was
A. Took under control by the 1st hokage sealed into Mito and help Hashirama win the fight.

B. Kyuubi was no longer under control knowing that he hated Madara he team up with Hashirama to fight Madara then got duke and sealed after.

C. Kyuubi was no longer under control under madara then was take over by the Hashirama during the fight

The Battle of Madara Vs Hashirama is too unclear to me so i'm going with Itachi
Interesting, you say "putting up a fight" as if he was the under dog... Anyway, maybe Mito "aided" Hashirama after the fight simply by becoming the first nine tails Jinchuriki....Here's what I mean... Didn't Hashirama at one point have multiple tailed beasts under his control? Since he decided to spread out the tailed beasts he had under his control to the different villages to balance power and bring peace (I don't know whether it was before or after his fight with Madara). Maybe he kept the nine tails and sealed it into Mito then and she aided him by becoming the first nine tails Jinchuriki.

Even though I'm more of an Itachi fan, I'd still go with Hashi on this. I mean the guy's been dead for like 70 years and his cells are still whooping ass all over the ninja world!
 

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by feats, itachi should win.

Hashirama beating EMS madara doesn't mean Hashirama > Itachi especially since it says IN THE MANGA that Hashirama took control of the Kyuubi, meaning it was hashirama + Kyuubi vs EMS Madara.

And if enma can block hashirama's wood release, Itachi's susanoo will have no problems.
 
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Lol you and your itachi threads dont you.
Anyway we havent seen hashirama fight also we have yet to truly seen what a healthy and serious itachi can do.

Also this isnt A> B, therefore A > C. This isnt a logical way for an argument.
You cannot say because hashirama beat madara he can beat itachi.

Firstly their battle style differs.
They dont have the same techniques apart from susanoo
Madara's state of mind at that time was to get his dna, that could also prove vital in a fight, kinda like fighting to capture. Its harder than fighting to kill
I agree with some of what you say, you can't compare Itachi's abilities with Madara's... here's where you lost me though. "madara's state of mind was to get his cells". Madara clearly hated Hashirama only wanted his cells is BS! If I wanted revenge on the man whom I hated most, I wouldn't just fight him to steal his cells, I would kill him and then take his cells of his dead corpse!

But for the sake of this vs thread I would say this Madara was most likely still stronger than Itachi and he Hashirama did defeat Madara and his summon (the Nine tails).
 

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1. If he didn't have Susanoo he wouldn't be able to use them probably.
2. Orochimaru's sword is not Sacred and extremely weaker than Sword of Totsuka in every way possible.
3. Sword of Totsuka has no hilt, it is stored in this weird keg/gourd or something and there is not enough info on it.
4. Even if TBB can pass Yata Mirror, wether it will be enough to destroy and pierce through a version 4 complete Susanoo is another dilemma.
5. Lol bleach must have more fillers than I thought if you are at 200 and still no fight with Ulquira. Ichigo vs Ulquiora is last good fight, then fights go down hill with DBZ mode all the time.
my bad i forgot about this

I'm sure the gourd acts like hilt, and can be destroyed

if they can't be used properly then why do they exists

i'm just waiting for the Ulquiora and ichigo fight... its taking forever
 

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ok how about this... Hashirama does not know Itachi can use tsukuyomi so he looks into his eyes eventually in the match or looks at his finger and gets caught in a genjutsu....
Hashirama fights and beats Madara, the most powerful Uchiha alive and you don't think he knows about genjutsu or had to face any from Madara? Don't be silly.
 

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i love itachi but im not stupid enough to say he could wreck hashirama... i do believe he could hold his own in a fight with him but thats no where near beating him lol
 

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Yea or Amaterasu.
I doubt using amaterasu vs 1st hokage is a smart move, he can make his wood grow while on amaterasu fire and use it as weapon against Itachi.

Yata Mirror and Sword of Totsuaga are more effective.

my bad i forgot about this

I'm sure the gourd acts like hilt, and can be destroyed

if they can't be used properly then why do they exists

i'm just waiting for the Ulquiora and ichigo fight... its taking forever
They exist for Uchiha users who unlocked Susanoo (Yeah Uchihas are OP, get over it lol) thats why Orochimaru couldn't get his handson it LOL.
 
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we havent seen hashirama fight, so how can we answer this? saying he beat madara isnt a good enough argument for several reasons:

1. according to what has been revealed so far in the manga, madara was just fighting for DNA, not really to kill

2. madara got his strongest abilities after the fight(rinnegan) and couldnt have a re-match due to death

3. hashirama seems to only have a lot of power when in control of the fox
agree
 

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tbh I don't think Madara just let Hashirama win, it seems he grabbed his dna knowing that as the way things were, he'd never be able to defeat him, and getting the dna was in preparation of him actually winning against Hashirama, but things have obviously not gone according to plan, but I still think Hashirama is better than EMS madara
 

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Third hokage shit on hashirama and second hokage, then got pwn by oro. Itachi owned oro in less than 10 sec.

Sword of Totsuka = 1 shotted hashirama LOLOLOL.
are you serious??
First, Third hokage didn't get pwned by Oro, we see the same fight?...
Second, that Edo Tensei was an incomplete jutsu (AS YOU MAY SEE IF YOU READ THE MANGA!!!),Oro couldn't crontrol the edo so have to fully brainwash them at the cost of a reduced power. Or are you saying that this noob edo was the one who defeated Marada EMS. So :flaw: you and your arguments

there isn't a line relation like this, Hashirama and tobirama< hiruzen < oro <itachi, because Hiruzen fight the three at the same time and the bros didn't display their capabilities, only a noob could not figure this. :flaw:

So think a little before putting itachi's fanboy crap
 
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Ehm Madara can use Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo too. The people in this forum don't know what they're talking about. ppl discuss whether Deva-Pain can beat Itachi without using Chibaku Tensei, same time as he can beat a man, who won against Madara Uchiha.
 

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have you seen the sheer size of that one panel madara vs shodai? it was clear kurama was attacking hashirama and not madara. we know mokuton created the forest of death, and we've seen what happens when madara used a fraction of the power he got from hashirama vs alliance. think yamato times a million and you'll get hashirama. amaterasu burns too slow to affect the wood and by that point, he would have restrained itachi or made a several layer defence against itachis attacks. hes 1st hokage for a reason and he beat EMS for a reason. hes on a completely different level to everyone except kabuto and rikudo sennin.

Third hokage shit on hashirama and second hokage, then got pwn by oro
they were nowhere near full power and just toying around. third had to give his life to stop them, and only with a very overpowered technique. onyl reason he didnt take oro with him too is his old age.

Second, that Edo Tensei was an incomplete jutsu (AS YOU MAY SEE IF YOU READ THE MANGA!!!),Oro couldn't crontrol the edo so have to fully brainwash them at the cost of a reduced power.
kabuto said oro perfected it.

and madara wasnt letting shodai win. he knew he could simply defeat him THEN take his DNA.
 
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Hashirama. He defeated Madara.

Madara > Itachi.

Over.
:rofl: By hype that is true.But by feats Itachi manhandles Hashirama,and for fairness purposes it's better to judge by feats rather than hype,as hype is subjective to the characters role in the manga,I.e. a villain because of his villainous status doesn't get much hype as he does evil and therefore can't be renowned as Kages or a well respected shinobi.There are a few exceptions like Madara,but the for the rest my point stands,and hype isn't the right way to judge battles.
 
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