Itachi vs 3rd and 4th Raikage.

[lanakui8]

Edo's only have the capacity in their real lives. Itachi can't camp in his Susanoo when he was alive so he wouldn't be able to due so while in Edo. His capacity that we know of is roughly 5 minutes in V3 from when he fought Sasuke. Is this his true limit? I have no idea. He could probably hold it longer but I can't just assume he can hold it for more than what he has shown. This is why the "sick Itachi" argument is no relevant anymore. We all understand he was sick but we cant just make silly assumptions (like saying he can camp in Susanoo all day) and give him more power than he may or may not have. Point is, we don't know so we gotta work with what Kishi gave us.

What do you think madara means when he says

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Edo's just don't run out of chakra or their chakra (like their bodies) regenerates at an extremely fast pace which makes it seem unlimited, itachi won't run out of chakra no matter how long he holds susanoo up for. There's a huge difference between 'sick itachi' and 'edo itachi'. Sick itachi started to huff and puff after using just one tsukuyomi, and he was on his knees coughing up blood after using 2 amaterasu. Even in part 1 where Itachi wasn't so heavily affected by his illness, he was huffing and puffing and had to deactivate his MS after using 2 tsukuyomi and 1 amaterasu.

Now compare that to edo itachi who spams all levels of susanoo, uses at least 3 amaterasu, 2 tsukuyomi, and izanami in a matter of hours, yet he doesn't show even the slightest signs of exhaustion (he's never out of breath) or the negative physical affects of using the MS. Edo itachi can clearly hold his susanoo and use MS techniques incomparably more times than his real self, and considering edos were stated to have unlimited chakra, he most likely can just hold a V4 susanoo as long as he wants.

 

[blazekev90]

Wtf!?! Either Raikage could solos, together they stomp low difficulty

 

[ARGUS]

itachi loses..
Either of the raikage gives him a high diff fight
He however has a chance in the second scenario which can go either way

 

[jiraiya lives]

He loses both instances

Itachi is built to fight more than one high level ninja with his stamina reserves for the first one. Even if it's healthy itachi his MS still takes tole and will eventually end up slowing him down which isn't good when you have two raikages blitzing around...

the second instance is more close of a fight since he's Edo and can take killing blows but eventually I feel that he will be sealed sooner or later

 

[Unorthodox]

Edo's only have the capacity in their real lives. Itachi can't camp in his Susanoo when he was alive so he wouldn't be able to due so while in Edo. His capacity that we know of is roughly 5 minutes in V3 from when he fought Sasuke. Is this his true limit? I have no idea. He could probably hold it longer but I can't just assume he can hold it for more than what he has shown. This is why the "sick Itachi" argument is no relevant anymore. We all understand he was sick but we cant just make silly assumptions (like saying he can camp in Susanoo all day) and give him more power than he may or may not have. Point is, we don't know so we gotta work with what Kishi gave us.

Your sadly mistaken Edo's does infact have

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that basically debunked your hole post by itself also your saying Itachi can use susanoo for five minutes when he used it longer than that during his fight with Kabuto. Im also curious to why you would even say such egregious things because you watch the manga you cant possible think all the edo that went full scale battles were fighting on they're alive reserves this is one of the reason i skim your post because you chose when to be stupid or act like you no less than what you really do hoping no one would figure you out.

itachi loses..
Either of the raikage gives him a high diff fight
He however has a chance in the second scenario which can go either way

Itachi should win both scenarios especially the second one without a doubt. sandaime raikage cannot dodge Amaterasu so i dont see how he could possibly push itachi anywhere near high difficulty. Ei isnt a genius either crow genjutsu would end him or give itachi enough space to use Amaterasu on him.

 

[lanakui8]

Itachi should win both scenarios especially the second one without a doubt. sandaime raikage cannot dodge Amaterasu so i dont see how he could possibly push itachi anywhere near high difficulty. Ei isnt a genius either crow genjutsu would end him or give itachi enough space to use Amaterasu on him.

Sandaime pushes itachi to high difficulty because his durability w/ RnY is so great that it will take him a while to die from amaterasu, and during that time i'm pretty sure he will be bloodlusted.

Plus if it's shouten itachi vs kakashi and naruto location, sandaime doesn't have to outright dodge the technique, he can just shunshin into the trees.

Ei getting ended by crow genjutsu or any genjutsu asside from izanami is laughable as it took 5 V3 susanoos and tsunade distracting him in order to force him into an EMS genjutsu.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sandaime pushes itachi to high difficulty because his durability w/ RnY is so great that it will take him a while to die from amaterasu, and during that time i'm pretty sure he will be bloodlusted.

He still does not push him to high difficulty he has nothing to bypass a v3 susanoo we can speculate how his nukite was so strong but it has no feats besides piercing his armor witch has shown far less durability than susanoo. Also his durability is nothing infront of amaterasu witch can burn instantly when the user focus

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being bloodlusted means nothing the flames would consume him way to fast he would not be able to focus due to the intense pain. Furthermore him being bloodlusted will mean he'll be reckless he is bound to be caught in a genjutsu then.

Plus if it's shouten itachi vs kakashi and naruto location, sandaime doesn't have to outright dodge the technique, he can just shunshin into the trees.

The intel is full with that being said knowing that Itachi is a genjutsu specialist they would try to advoid eye contact the momment the fight begins while Itachi on the other hand knows sandaime raikage isnt fast enough to dodge amaterasu would use that instead. Those trees were a small margin away a shunsin moves you about a feet so no he isnt taking cover before amaterasu is used furthermore Ei who is much faster than his father needed focus eye contact on Sasuke addition to using V2 and a shunshin and still barely dodged it when those conditions arnt meet we can assume he would also be a victim to amaterasu in mid combat because he cannot do all that.

Ei getting ended by crow genjutsu or any genjutsu asside from izanami is laughable as it took 5 V3 susanoos and tsunade distracting him in order to force him into an EMS genjutsu.

Ei ended up in a crow genjutsu is very plausible because he has never went up against that plus the crows fly all around you even if he glances at one its over

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with this being such a big distraction dodging amaterasu would be nigh impossible. No what is laughable that people still bring that (He needed 5 Clones plus a distraction from tsunade to get caught in a genjutsu) he was going up against Standing Susanoos i hardly doubt he was paying any attention to the Madara's inside them let alone their eyes.

 

[lanakui8]

He still does not push him to high difficulty he has nothing to bypass a v3 susanoo we can speculate how his nukite was so strong but it has no feats besides piercing his armor witch has shown far less durability than susanoo.

um, since when has his armor shown far less durability than susanoo? Sandaime raikage took

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which was by far the most powerful fuuton in the manga at the time.

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RnY Sandaime raikage's durability craps on V3 susanoo.
The same thing is true for his 1 finger nukite. It pierced his shroud and body easily, the same body that just got scratches from FRS. It goes through V3 susanoo like butter.

Also his durability is nothing infront of amaterasu witch can burn instantly when the user focus

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being bloodlusted means nothing the flames would consume him way to fast he would not be able to focus due to the intense pain. Furthermore him being bloodlusted will mean he'll be reckless he is bound to be caught in a genjutsu then.

Amaterasu absolutely does not burn instantly when the user focuses. We don't even know how long itachi was holding amaterasu on that wall or how durable that wall is. Sasuke focused a huge amaterasu on the hachibi, and all it did was cause him a lot of pain. Amaterasu can't even burn karin or samurai armor anywhere near instant, and didn't even damage Ei's arm. If itachi is close enough to the raikage to catch him in a genjutsu then he's in danger of getting nukite'd.

If itachi wants to focus amaterasu on Sandaime raikage, the raikage runs right through it, tanking the flames and punches a hole in itachi.

The intel is full with that being said knowing that Itachi is a genjutsu specialist they would try to advoid eye contact the momment the fight begins while Itachi on the other hand knows sandaime raikage isnt fast enough to dodge amaterasu would use that instead. Those trees were a small margin away a shunsin moves you about a feet so no he isnt taking cover before amaterasu is used furthermore Ei who is much faster than his father needed focus eye contact on Sasuke addition to using V2 and a shunshin and still barely dodged it when those conditions arnt meet we can assume he would also be a victim to amaterasu in mid combat because he cannot do all that.

Wait, shunshin only moves a person a foot? I would love for you to explain how the heck you came to that conclusion. Ei did not focus eye contact on Sasuke, if he did he would have been genjutsu'd, and Ei could have shunshined out of LoS at any time since Sasuke can't track his movements. If Itachi is going to use amaterasu right off the bat against Sandaime, Ei blitzes him with V2. If he uses it on Ei, Sandaime blitzes him.

Ei ended up in a crow genjutsu is very plausible because he has never went up against that plus the crows fly all around you even if he glances at one its over

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with this being such a big distraction dodging amaterasu would be nigh impossible. No what is laughable that people still bring that (He needed 5 Clones plus a distraction from tsunade to get caught in a genjutsu) he was going up against Standing Susanoos i hardly doubt he was paying any attention to the Madara's inside them let alone their eyes.

Itachi used shisui's eye for the crow genjutsu so only one of them has that eye, and that only worked on a base naruto clone that's a massive extrapolation to say it would work on Ei considering what it takes to put Ei into one. The bolded is hilarious. If Ei isn't paying attention to the clones within susanoo, then it makes it extremely easy for the clones to put him in genjutsu as Ei has 10 points on the susanoo that will one-shot him if he takes a glance at. Next, reverse your logic and it means it's impossible for itachi to catch ei in genjutsu if he's using anything above ribcage susanoo.

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[Mr SwizZz]

Yeah lets take Itachi's main jutsu out of the question
Why not restrict 3rd and 4th taijutsu then? hahha

Anyway, Itachi wins this since they cant escape genjutsu.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Itachi could beat either in a 1v1 but together he gets overwhelmed.

Scene 2 Itachi low difficulty he hides behide his complete Susanoo and spams Amaterasu.

 

[Rogerr]

Itachi, mid to high difficulty.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Itachi, mid to high difficulty.

that sig, lol

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Raikage duo take this neg diff..........

 

[Unorthodox]

um, since when has his armor shown far less durability than susanoo? Sandaime raikage took

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which was by far the most powerful fuuton in the manga at the time.

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RnY Sandaime raikage's durability craps on V3 susanoo.
The same thing is true for his 1 finger nukite. It pierced his shroud and body easily, the same body that just got scratches from FRS. It goes through V3 susanoo like butter.

The armor definitely has less durability than susanoo. By saying kmc means nothing because it was a clone who's powers were severly split due to Naruto having 15 others clones aiding the other war fights so him tanking it isnt impressive also if he wasit edo he would have died because Rasenshuriken doesnt need to pierce you to kill.
Itachi's susanoo already shown to be able to save him from Kirin witch completely leveled a mountain

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only thing was gone from Itachi was his Akatsuki jacket. Kirin witch has much more destructive force than a Rasenshuriken coming from a bushin. Itachi most likely used v3 susanoo as it would take to long to perform a v4 susanoo in 1/1000 of a second and v4 susanoo has yata mirror witch would have easily deflected kirin.

Dazno's Fuuton jutsu was enhanced by Baku's suction power witch should not be underestimated and it only open a layer up in Sasuke's susanoo. The nukite going through V3 susanoo like butter is a joke.

Amaterasu absolutely does not burn instantly when the user focuses. We don't even know how long itachi was holding amaterasu on that wall or how durable that wall is. Sasuke focused a huge amaterasu on the hachibi, and all it did was cause him a lot of pain. Amaterasu can't even burn karin or samurai armor anywhere near instant, and didn't even damage Ei's arm. If itachi is close enough to the raikage to catch him in a genjutsu then he's in danger of getting nukite'd.

Amaterasu has been proven time and time again it burns much faster when the user focuses i should not have said instantly thats my bad. The hall way wasit that big furthermore him and Kisame were running at top speed then Itachi used it. It burnt through nigh instant. Toad mouth trap was Jiraiya's strongest line of defense in part 1 naruto could have been the strongest defense in the part 1 series periode on top of that it spits fire aswell almost making it amune to heat.

Sasuke did not focus on Gyuki

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first scan i posted is when he first cast amaterasu he looked away then put his hand over his eye after that he had his eye closed so he did focus it on gyuki not one bit. amaterasu was on karin for about a single instant before Sasuke put it out so using her to support your claim is weak. Sasuke definitely didnt focus on the samuri because he wasit even his intended victim. Ei slaped sasuke from behind so he could not even look at his arm to focus it then he closed his eye to use enton all your examples were shit and you knew it. Genjutsu can be used from far distances

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so saying if the 3rd raikage is an genjutsu range he blitz Itachi is far from the truth furthermore Itachi could dodge him. Itachi is rivals with Sasuke speed wise who was able to dodge v1 Ei and Killerbee while in a mid air stride also fought on par with kmc Naruto while an sm Naruto clone dodged 3rd Raikage point blank range.

If itachi wants to focus amaterasu on Sandaime raikage, the raikage runs right through it, tanking the flames and punches a hole in itachi.

Amaterasu turns him to ash way before than or Itachi can dodge him as i explained above or uses his v4 susanoo to block with yata mirror.

Wait, shunshin only moves a person a foot? I would love for you to explain how the heck you came to that conclusion. Ei did not focus eye contact on Sasuke, if he did he would have been genjutsu'd, and Ei could have shunshined out of LoS at any time since Sasuke can't track his movements. If Itachi is going to use amaterasu right off the bat against Sandaime, Ei blitzes him with V2. If he uses it on Ei, Sandaime blitzes him.

Maybe i was wrong about the shunshin argument buts its still irrelevant because Ei barely dodged with his shunshin the 3rd raikage isnt dodging regarless. Ei did infact focus on Sasuke's eyes

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he noticed Sasuke Mongekyou sharingan the second scan he was waiting for his eye to bleed he was even looking in the same direction Itachi's signature is genjutsu so the momment Ei looks at him goodnight also a sharingan user needs to be trying to use a genjutsu for you to be caught not it just happens because you look at they're eyes. Ei blitzing Itachi is moot because he most certaintly cannot get past any form of susanoo above the ribcage. Sasuke could track Ei he used enton the momment Ei was trying to strike

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he also was looking right at him and he cannot physicaly react to Ei similar to his fight with rocklee

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Itachi used shisui's eye for the crow genjutsu so only one of them has that eye, and that only worked on a base naruto clone that's a massive extrapolation to say it would work on Ei considering what it takes to put Ei into one. The bolded is hilarious. If Ei isn't paying attention to the clones within susanoo, then it makes it extremely easy for the clones to put him in genjutsu as Ei has 10 points on the susanoo that will one-shot him if he takes a glance at. Next, reverse your logic and it means it's impossible for itachi to catch ei in genjutsu if he's using anything above ribcage susanoo.

Its silly to assume Itachi cannot use the crow clone genjutsu without using koto. I already explained why it didnt take that to put Ei in a genjutsu but its okay if you ignore great points. This post made no sense if Ei isnt paying attention the clones how does it make it easy to put him in a genjutsu? Once amaterasu kills off the 3rd raikage Ei will be picked off if he chooses to not look at Itachi's upper body Amaterasu takes him off he does genjutsu finishes him off.

 

[lanakui8]

The armor definitely has less durability than susanoo. By saying kmc means nothing because it was a clone who's powers were severly split due to Naruto having 15 others clones aiding the other war fights so him tanking it isnt impressive also if he wasit edo he would have died because Rasenshuriken doesnt need to pierce you to kill.
Itachi's susanoo already shown to be able to save him from Kirin witch completely leveled a mountain

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only thing was gone from Itachi was his Akatsuki jacket. Kirin witch has much more destructive force than a Rasenshuriken coming from a bushin. Itachi most likely used v3 susanoo as it would take to long to perform a v4 susanoo in 1/1000 of a second and v4 susanoo has yata mirror witch would have easily deflected kirin.

When in the world was it ever in the least bit implied that a rasengan or FRS coming from a bunshin is weaker than the originals? FRS vary in power due to the size of the technique, if the clones FRS was weaker than the originals it would have been much smaller. Not only that, but why in the world would kishi title the chapter "the rasenshuriken's limit" if the actual rasenshuriken is way more powerful than the one we saw? And then there's the fact that even the clone's FRS was implied to have still been by far the most powerful fuuton we've seen in the manga based on Temari's (the strongest fuuton user in the alliance) statement.

I agree itachi probably used V3 susanoo to defend himself against kirin, but again I don't see how that puts V3 above Sandaime raikage's durability. Kirin isn't even that much more powerful than FRS, I actually made a thread about FRS's power

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. And FRS not only possessed the elemental advantage over RnY, but it only left scratches on Sandaime's body while Kirin completely vaporized susanoo and slightly damaged itachi. That clearly puts RnY sandaime's above v3 susanoo, and allows his 1 finger nukite (which easily pierces his own body) to easily pierce V3 susanoo.

Dazno's Fuuton jutsu was enhanced by Baku's suction power witch should not be underestimated and it only open a layer up in Sasuke's susanoo. The nukite going through V3 susanoo like butter is a joke.

Baku's suction was already taken into account by my analysis, and it didn't only open 'a layer' it tore through all the layers of susanoo and exposed sasuke. That's the clothing, muscle/skin and bone layer. Even if we made FRS equal to danzou's fuuton, sandaime only got scratches from it while his own body was easily pierced, so yes he goes through V3 like butter.

Amaterasu has been proven time and time again it burns much faster when the user focuses i should not have said instantly thats my bad. The hall way wasit that big furthermore him and Kisame were running at top speed then Itachi used it. It burnt through nigh instant. Toad mouth trap was Jiraiya's strongest line of defense in part 1 naruto could have been the strongest defense in the part 1 series periode on top of that it spits fire aswell almost making it amune to heat.

Pretty sure gaara's prepped sand defenses were by far the most powerful defenses in part 1. EMS Sasuke focused his amaterasu on Madara, yet madara removed his armor before amaterasu could burn through it or do anything noticeable. Then there's the examples of bee taking a focused one, edo nagato barely losing an arm after burning for half a chapter.

Sasuke did not focus on Gyuki

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first scan i posted is when he first cast amaterasu he looked away then put his hand over his eye after that he had his eye closed so he did focus it on gyuki not one bit.

Sasuke was focusing it on the hachibi, he just stopped using the technique after the hahibi fell into the water.

amaterasu was on karin for about a single instant before Sasuke put it out so using her to support your claim is weak. Sasuke definitely didnt focus on the samuri because he wasit even his intended victim. Ei slaped sasuke from behind so he could not even look at his arm to focus it then he closed his eye to use enton all your examples were shit and you knew it. Genjutsu can be used from far distances

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so saying if the 3rd raikage is an genjutsu range he blitz Itachi is far from the truth furthermore Itachi could dodge him. Itachi is rivals with Sasuke speed wise who was able to dodge v1 Ei and Killerbee while in a mid air stride also fought on par with kmc Naruto while an sm Naruto clone dodged 3rd Raikage point blank range.

Some genjutsu 'can' be used from far distances, however the lethal genjutsus that we've seen itachi pull off are all at most mid-range.

Amaterasu turns him to ash way before than or Itachi can dodge him as i explained above or uses his v4 susanoo to block with yata mirror.

But based on what does it burn him to ash let alone before he can get to itachi? Raikage is magnitudes more durable than the most durable thing amaterasu has ever burned while being focused on, and he's extremely fast so the time that itachi will be focusing on him before a nukite is in his face is extremely short. He's not dodging someone as fast as sandaime raikage for long, and if itachi has to hold V4 susanoo up until sandaime burns out, then that's obviously going to be a high diff win for itachi.

Maybe i was wrong about the shunshin argument buts its still irrelevant because Ei barely dodged with his shunshin the 3rd raikage isnt dodging regarless. Ei did infact focus on Sasuke's eyes

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he noticed Sasuke Mongekyou sharingan the second scan he was waiting for his eye to bleed he was even looking in the same direction Itachi's signature is genjutsu so the momment Ei looks at him goodnight also a sharingan user needs to be trying to use a genjutsu for you to be caught not it just happens because you look at they're eyes. Ei blitzing Itachi is moot because he most certaintly cannot get past any form of susanoo above the ribcage. Sasuke could track Ei he used enton the momment Ei was trying to strike

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he also was looking right at him and he cannot physicaly react to Ei similar to his fight with rocklee

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If Sasuke had an opportunity to genjutsu Ei, he would have. Failure to do so shows that Ei did not look directly into Sasuke's eyes regardless of what you think the manga panels imply. Hebi sasuke was able to dodge itachi's amaterasu for some time, he just wasn't able to get out of LoS since the arena was an open place. Sandaime raikage is faster than hebi sasuke. Ei doesn't have to go through susanoo to hit an itachi who uses amaterasu right off the bat since itachi isn't gathering the chakra to use ammy and using a susanoo above ribcage and firing the technique before Ei can get to him with a V2 shunshin. Sasuke was looking at Ei after Ei stopped. Before that, Sasuke didn't see Ei, he simply put enton up so that Ei couldn't hit him regardless of where Ei was coming from.

Its silly to assume Itachi cannot use the crow clone genjutsu without using koto. I already explained why it didnt take that to put Ei in a genjutsu but its okay if you ignore great points. This post made no sense if Ei isnt paying attention the clones how does it make it easy to put him in a genjutsu? Once amaterasu kills off the 3rd raikage Ei will be picked off if he chooses to not look at Itachi's upper body Amaterasu takes him off he does genjutsu finishes him off.

I agree itachi can use the crow clone genjutsu without koto being charged as he did just that in the manga. If Ei isn't paying attention to the clones, then it makes it very easy for them to put him in genjutsu since he's not aware of their location and therefore can accidentally glance at their sharingans. It's the same way Sasuke and itachi get their opponents into genjutsu: by distractions. C wasn't paying attention to Sasuke, which is how sasuke is able to use the cover of an explosion to get him to look at his sharingan. Itachi's the same, he shifts sasuke's attention to the crows and then sasuke makes eye contact, putting sasuke in tsukuyomi. Ei canonically has the ability to avoid amaterasu without looking into the opponent's eyes, itachi is not getting him in amaterasu nor is he getting him into a genjutsu.

 

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