Itachi Uchiha

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I believe that Itachi Uchiha is one of the strongest characters in theory only, and this is why.

Genjutsu has literally no logic because all it takes is one look in your opponent's eye (which is basically the start of the match) to defeat him/her. Now, obviously you can break out of genjutsu but I'm specifically talking about Itachi's tsukyomi because you need sharingan to break out of this.

However, I do not believe that Masashi Kishimoto portrayed Itachi as even top 5 material.

Going by everything presented to us as facts in the manga we should assume:

Madara has Tsukyomi and Amaterasu, (and since Itachi had no reason to lie this must be true) because he had Susano'o. And if this were the case that would mean Hashirama (before death) has no counter to Madara since Madara has Tsukyomi, and Hashirama is therefore weaker than Hashirama. However, it was clearly portrayed that Hashirama was stronger which concludes we cannot use logic.

Now if we assume that Madara does not have the two jutsu because of feats then it is not that irrational to assume that BZ's hype on Yata Mirror is false as well especially since it lacked in feats or that Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen (as he was clearly portrayed to be).

Now, my point is kids, that it doesn't matter what Jutsu that person has in his/her arsenal, (unless it is a VS thread where it is meant to be in theory only) you need to see how that character was portrayed in terms of strength.
 

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I don't think Madara has Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi....
 

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all u need know is that itachi solos most of all characters
 
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You started off well, then it became apparent you were trolling.
 

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You started off well, then it became apparent you were trolling.
How so? Trolling does not equal difference in opinion. Can you at least tell me why I'm wrong?
 

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Yea u lost me lol. Madara has neither of those jutsus and isnt stronger than hashi.

BZ isnt hyping yata databook proves that.
 

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How so? Trolling does not equal difference in opinion. Can you at least tell me why I'm wrong?

However, I do not believe that Masashi Kishimoto portrayed Itachi as even top 5 material.

Going by everything presented to us as facts in the manga we should assume:

Madara has Tsukyomi and Amaterasu, (and since Itachi had no reason to lie this must be true) because he had Susano'o. And if this were the case that would mean Hashirama (before death) has no counter to Madara since Madara has Tsukyomi, and Hashirama is therefore weaker than Hashirama. However, it was clearly portrayed that Hashirama was stronger which concludes we cannot use logic.

Now if we assume that Madara does not have the two jutsu because of feats then it is not that irrational to assume that BZ's hype on Yata Mirror is false as well especially since it lacked in feats or that Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen (as he was clearly portrayed to be).

Now, my point is kids, that it doesn't matter what Jutsu that person has in his/her arsenal, (unless it is a VS thread where it is meant to be in theory only) you need to see how that character was portrayed in terms of strength.

All of that tells me never to take you seriously again^
 

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You DON'T need Sharingan to break Tsukiyomi, Itachi actually said that Tsukiyomi is unbreakable.

But Kakashi resisted it, and Sasuke broke it.

Don't believe hyperboles.
 

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All of that tells me never to take you seriously again^
Bro, you clearly can't defend yourself then. My logic just proved Kishi has no logic when it comes to these things.
 

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You DON'T need Sharingan to break Tsukiyomi, Itachi actually said that Tsukiyomi is unbreakable.

But Kakashi resisted it, and Sasuke broke it.

Don't believe hyperboles.
I don't. I'm trying to show why we shouldn't.
 

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You DON'T need Sharingan to break Tsukiyomi, Itachi actually said that Tsukiyomi is unbreakable.

But Kakashi resisted it, and Sasuke broke it.

Don't believe hyperboles.
Reading comprehension is important. Kakashi did not resist his spirit was simply not broken. In other words he didn't die. He did however fall into a coma and needed Tsunade level healing just to wake up.
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Bro, you clearly can't defend yourself then. My logic just proved Kishi has no logic when it comes to these things.

He's just upset Itachi isn't relevant to the plot anymore.
 

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He's just upset Itachi isn't relevant to the plot anymore.

Not sure why you assume this. I couldn't be happier he was dead, Kishi can't ruin him like the manga is right now. Not only that but unless you're telling me Sasuke died last chapter Itachi is still relevant. Ty and goodbye.
 

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I get where you're coming from, but I strongly disagree with some things.

First of all, Madara does not have Tsukuyomi, and neither does Sasuke. This has been discussed/debunked several times in the past. I can't post scans/explanation atm, but use the search bar and do your research, you can conclude that Tsukuyomi isn't a requirement to unlock Susano'o (the whole argument was based around that).

Second, Itachi was portrayed in the manga at a level that is arguably higher than any other character in certain respects. He received a superior portrayal to many in terms of "power" (though he was limited by sickness, etc,) and arguably the highest portrayal in terms of character (numerous parallels with Shinto mythology, for example). In no way is he lacking in that department.

I think the point you're trying to make is less about portrayal, and more about understanding a character's limits, and not overating/underrating them.
 
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