Itachi Uchiha vs Pein

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The all mighty Itachi vs the infamous Pein ...

Pein has all paths.

Both fighters are at full strenght in the valley of the end.

Deva cannot use chibaku tensei

Both fighters have full knowledge!

Let the games begin.
hahaha automatically pain wins becasue you have restricted pains power by not letting him use chibaku tensei. why isnt he allowed to use his own technique? why are u restricting pain's powers but not itachi's?
also pain would win because itachi wouldnt know his secrets the only reason why naruto won against pain is becasue his comrades died getting information about pain and each of the techniques if they hadnt gotten all that info in time naruto wouldnt have beat him. the whole time tsunades summon was basically coaching him. if she hadnt been there he would have lost
but PAIN BEATS ITACHI
 

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As I mentioned the last time this thread appeared. Itachi uses genjutsu on all Pain's bodies then destroys them with Amaterasu. Finds the real Pain and game over. Winner Itachi.
your saying that like itachi knwo pains secrets like he knows hes hiding somewhere. and even if itachi beats all the bodies pain has a storage of dead bodies plus a huge charka reserve he would just make more bodies with different or the same techniques
 

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hahaha automatically pain wins becasue you have restricted pains power by not letting him use chibaku tensei. why isnt he allowed to use his own technique? why are u restricting pain's powers but not itachi's?
also pain would win because itachi wouldnt know his secrets the only reason why naruto won against pain is becasue his comrades died getting information about pain and each of the techniques if they hadnt gotten all that info in time naruto wouldnt have beat him. the whole time tsunades summon was basically coaching him. if she hadnt been there he would have lost
but PAIN BEATS ITACHI
You just quoted a post that says that the fighters have full knowledge about each other, and then you write that Itachi doesn't know pain's secret. Are you even reading posts or are you just pretending to read so that you can have your turn to worship pain?

your saying that like itachi knwo pains secrets like he knows hes hiding somewhere. and even if itachi beats all the bodies pain has a storage of dead bodies plus a huge charka reserve he would just make more bodies with different or the same techniques
If pain has so many stored bodies, why did he not use them against naruto? He actually needs to insert the rods into the bodies and etc. Don't assume that Pain has 100 bodies and unlimited chakra, because I can turn around and say that Itachi is the host of the juubi, but he was in fact just too shy to show it.
 

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If pain has so many stored bodies, why did he not use them against naruto? He actually needs to insert the rods into the bodies and etc. Don't assume that Pain has 100 bodies and unlimited chakra, because I can turn around and say that Itachi is the host of the juubi, but he was in fact just too shy to show it.
Pain used one of his stored bodies when he reached the leaf village as Jiraiya had sent one of the older ones there already. He retrieved it as soon as he could.

Other than that Pain didn't seem to need to use his stored bodies that often. Against Naruto he didn't need it at all. He chose not to use his full force against him in the end. Naruto didn't defeat Nagato with Jutsu. Naruto defeated him by talking. :p that's psychological war. lol. Nagato chose to use remaining of his outstanding reserve of chakra in reviving the dead of leaf village. Naruto was tired by then.

Nagato was an Uzumaki as revealed by Madara. Rinnegan is declared the most powerful of eye technique. Uzumaki's are gifted with most amazing amount of chakras. That's deadly combo.

The rain village rained with Nagato's chakra rain constantly and dected any outsider entry instantly. Paing fought Jiraiya. Travelled to leaf. Fought Kakashi Tsunade Naruto, Eight Tailed. Revived the villagers.

Shaingan on the other hand is highly draining . Itachi always needed to end the fights quickly. Long drwan fight were not in his favour. It made him blind at a young age. Itachi would have wiped long before the fight Pain put up with leaf. They are not even in the same league.

Nagato was leader of the Akatsuki- leader of a bunch of rogue crazy shinobies. Madara might have manipulated him psycholologically but I doubt even he could have taken him one on one in fight.

Itachi is my favourite character for so many reasons. But your turning around and saying that he was host of juubi would be neither here nor there and make sense to nobody- not even to you. While Nagato being an Uzumaki is now a declared fact and Uzumaki chakra being too much is being insisted from almost from the beginning.
 
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Itachi at full strenght has a really great chance of beating Pain. I think since both know eachothers techniques, Itachi, the tactician that he is, would figure a way to beat Pain.
 

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am new here n i searched 4 this thread only 2 be really dissappointed by wot i saw.... My God itachi fans r bias n thoughtless fanatics... Just imagine a bias mind saying coz itachi is an uchiha he wud win pain who has far stronger eyes, dat eye in which d wielder can master all teqniques(i mean every jutsu), now answer me if d uchiha r almighty y didn't Madara just beat d 1st hokage then? Nagato had d most powerful weapon in d ninja world(d same eyes dat d creator of jutsus had), he had full info on itachi, was extremely intelligent(maybe not as itachi), he had d power 2 bring d dead back 2 life, etc. Just imagine both of them in full strength n pain unlocking d remain secrets of d 6 paths(rinnegan), automatically becoming d sage himself who haboured d ten tails in himself, n tell me again dat itachi wud beat pain, he might as well kill d sage of d 6 paths... msschheewww!!!
I agree. Itachi supporters can be tunnel-visioned, as if the surname Uchiha is equivalent to an all-knowing omnipotent being. I was just reading stuff and didn't want to join the fray because I know it would be pointless, but I can't help expressing my disappointment.

I also wanted to create a Itachi VS Nagato face off, with all HYPERLINKED Jutsus they've showcased so far, plus their known stats, and let people simulate fights using a set of FACTUAL parameters. I don't want people making blind assumptions and pulling theories out of thin air. Sadly that would make it the 3rd Itachi Vs Pain thread for this month and I'm relatively new here so I don't wanna be told off.
 

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smh.. see its because of fanboys like the creator of the thread that makes me really pissed off with Itachi.

i may come off as a Itachi hater and i'm aware that i do but in actuality i like Itachi. it just pisses me off that people overestimate him, and treat him as some invicible being! Itachi is powerful yes, only Uchiha (or one of the few) to ever unlock Mangekyou Sharingan since Madara and Izuna. capable of using strong MS techniques like Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Sasunoo. not only that but to add on to his power are the sealing sword and unblockable shield (please someone give me the names i can never remember them).

Itachi has beaten who? Deidara, Orochimaru and Kakashi. by only using genjutsus. he massacred his whole clan. graduated academy at like what 7? leader of anbu at 13?.. yes he is powerful....

but in no ways in hell can he compare to Pain!

fanboys say "Itachi at "full power" can beat Pain" wtf?!? wtf is Itachi at full power?!? you make him sound like SO6P when you say "full power Itachi". listen the best we've seen Itachi was fighting Sasuke and we know Itachi was near death. but the only clue we know of what Itachi at "full power" can do is dodge a couple of shurikens. Itachi was sick and unable to dodge one of the shadow shurikens Sasuke tossed at him. Zetsu said that Itachi normally would have easily dodged it. so that is it: Itachi at full power can dodge more shurikens than regular. stop making him out to be a God.

Pain in the other hand was considered to be God. at least God of the Rain village. Pain was so powerful that he was even a myth in the Rain village. the villagers in the Rain didnt know whether to believe if he existed or not.

Itachi has MS but Pain has Rinnegan. a jutsu soo powerful that it was considered to be a legend itself. a mere mutation said by Kakashi. a eye that is associated with another legendary being the Sage of Six Paths..

Pain has beaten the 6 tails, Hanzo the Salamander, Jiraiya the Legendary Sannin, Tsunade the 5th Hokage (puther in a coma), the Copy Cat Ninja Kakashi, hell he destroyed the whole Leaf village and was able to stand up to 6 tails transformation Naruto.

Itachi has beaten who? baby Sasuke, kid Sasuke, Kakashi (did not kill him), Orochimaru, Deidara, and kills the whole Uchiha clan (not by himself though cuz even he knew he could not do it by himself). but he ran away from Jiraiya who Pain killed. his Tsukiyomi was not strong enough to kill Kakashi but Pain had killed Kakashi who was stronger at that time.

Itachi infiltrates the Leaf and runs away from Guy +Asuma and Jiraiya. Pain infiltrates the Leaf and raise hell..

there is a reason why Pain was in charge of Akatsuki and Itachi was taking orders. Sasuke "beats" Itachi. Naruto legitally beats Pain. and you know what Madara says to Sasuke after Naruto bets Pain? that Naruto is officially stronger than him now..

everything in the manga points to Pain being stronger than Itachi. Itachi could never beat Pain. first off Itachi would never know Pains secrets. and restricting Pain's chibaku tensi is bull shit. why didnt you restrict any of Itachi jutsus?!

the thread is biased but even without chibaku tensi Pain would destroy Itachi.

and one more thing.. Itachi is smart in deed. but he is not this amazing tactitian that some may say. what has he done to prove that he is the tactitian that people make him out off? hell Kakashi was a better tactitian than Itachi. Itachi only planned to die to Sasuke and TRIED (but failed) to attack Madara if Madara was to approach Sasuke. Konan was a better tactitian than Itachi because she at least figured out the time span in which Madara could use space time. Itachi proably didnt even know Madara could use space time or else he wouldnt have made the lame attempt to use amaterasu to rid Madara.

but my point is Itachi would never figure out Pain's secrets. Jiraiya was the only one who could have gotten that close to figuring Pain out because Jiraiya 1. was the teacher of Pain and 2. fought all the bodies that Pain was using.

Itachi would not be able to beat Pain. he does not have knowledge of Pain. Itachi does not have Sage mode like Naruto or Jiraiya. so he cannot compete with Pain's strength.

amaterasu will not work. tell me when amaterasu has ever done anything useful anyways?

tsukiyomi is only good for 1on1 battles

Sasunoo will be absorbed..

the shield can block any attack. but what about attacks from behind? the shield can only block in 1 direction. Itachi is outnumbered surely he will be attacked in ALL directions.

the sword could seal some paths but whats stopping the ressurecting path or even Nagato from just summoning more Pain bodies to fight?

other reasons why Itachi cant win:
Itachi cannot spam MS as you fanboys would expect. spamming MS could and would kill him. and drain his chakra. Pain has way more chakra reserves than Itachi does. Pain outnumbers Itachi 6 to 1. Pain can kill him in 6 different ways.

like i said Itachi is not in Pain's league and shouldnt even be considered able to beat Pain. Itachi is strong, one of the strongests ninja in Naruto but Pain would gangbang rape him..
 

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smh.. see its because of fanboys like the creator of the thread that makes me really pissed off with Itachi.

i may come off as a Itachi hater
you? never!

Itachi has beaten who? Deidara, Orochimaru and Kakashi. by only using genjutsus. he massacred his whole clan. graduated academy at like what 7? leader of anbu at 13?.. yes he is powerful....
but in no ways in hell can he compare to Pain!
Why not?
fanboys say "Itachi at "full power" can beat Pain" wtf?!? wtf is Itachi at full power?!?
Itachi with his vision intact and without any chakra loss because of the sickness.
but the only clue we know of what Itachi at "full power" can do is dodge a couple of shurikens. Itachi was sick and unable to dodge one of the shadow shurikens Sasuke tossed at him. Zetsu said that Itachi normally would have easily dodged it. so that is it: Itachi at full power can dodge more shurikens than regular. stop making him out to be a God.
There you go with your shuriken debate again. Itachi at full power would have dodged the shurikens, yes. But that doesn't mean that's all he can do at full power...
Pain in the other hand was considered to be God. at least God of the Rain village. Pain was so powerful that he was even a myth in the Rain village. the villagers in the Rain didnt know whether to believe if he existed or not.
Hiruzen was named god of shinobi. And you need to understand who exactly believes Pain is a god: weaklings from the rain village. Let me know if you have proof that a shinobi stronger than konohamaru believes he is a good. ok? (konan doesn't count because she calls him a god so that other people do. she is also biased because she puts all of her hopes in others)
Itachi has MS but Pain has Rinnegan. a jutsu soo powerful that it was considered to be a legend itself. a mere mutation said by Kakashi. a eye that is associated with another legendary being the Sage of Six Paths..
Rinnegan>sharingan, but most of the times the user of the eye counts most.
Pain has beaten the 6 tails, Hanzo the Salamander, Jiraiya the Legendary Sannin, Tsunade the 5th Hokage (puther in a coma), the Copy Cat Ninja Kakashi, hell he destroyed the whole Leaf village and was able to stand up to 6 tails transformation Naruto.
He ran from the 6tails and he didn't personally put tsunade in a coma...she exerted herself. I will give him credit for beating jirayia (and that was just because he didn't know his secret, otherwise he would have probably lost - pain said that himself). And you don't see how he beat hanzo you just hear about it. there are very few flashbacks of it.

Itachi has beaten who? baby Sasuke, kid Sasuke, Kakashi (did not kill him), Orochimaru, Deidara, and kills the whole Uchiha clan (not by himself though cuz even he knew he could not do it by himself). but he ran away from Jiraiya who Pain killed. his Tsukiyomi was not strong enough to kill Kakashi but Pain had killed Kakashi who was stronger at that time.
Any itachi fight (except for sasuke and let's say vs naruto and kakashi) lasted under 1 second. We don't see him kill his clan but I'm guessing he was fast since he wiped them all in 1 night... and remember : they were all uchiha, and all powerful. They planned to take over the leaf, which means they had the manpower. Also he killed Shisui, who was extremely powerful with his unique sharingan ability.
AND LOL AT THE LAST PART. I will stop the debate here because it is not a debate anymore. Itachi DID NOT WANT TO KILL KAKASHI. WE DELIBERATELY LET KAKASHI LIVE BECAUSE HE WAS AN IMPORTANT SHINOBI IN THE LEAF. AND ALSO PAIN HIMSELF DID NOT KILL KAKASHI. KAKASHI SACRIFICED HIMSELF. I just love it how people argue that Naruto didn't beat Pain because he sacrificed himself, but when it comes to everyone else THE LOST BECAUSE I R FANBOY.
Itachi infiltrates the Leaf and runs away from Guy +Asuma and Jiraiya. Pain infiltrates the Leaf and raise hell..
exactly my point. "ITACHI WANTED TO DESTROY THE VILLAGE BUT COULDN'T BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID OF GAI AND PAIN DESTROYED IT AND I <3 PAIN". I'm so tired of this fanboysm that's going on here.

RULES TO AVOID BEING A FANBOY:
1. LEARN HOW TO READ
2. READ THE MANGA, DON'T LOOK AT THE PRETTY PICTURES ONLY
3. THINK ABOUT IT
4. READ IT AGAIN
5. REALIZE THAT THERE IS A LARGER PICTURE IN THE MANGA, NOT JUST 1 CHAPTER AT A TIME.

That's a start. Don't bother to reply because I am not debating until you can admit that Itachi was PRETENDING to be evil and meant NO harm to Konoha or its shinobi.
 

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smh.. see its because of fanboys like the creator of the thread that makes me really pissed off with Itachi.


you? never!


Why not?

Itachi with his vision intact and without any chakra loss because of the sickness.

There you go with your shuriken debate again. Itachi at full power would have dodged the shurikens, yes. But that doesn't mean that's all he can do at full power...

Hiruzen was named god of shinobi. And you need to understand who exactly believes Pain is a god: weaklings from the rain village. Let me know if you have proof that a shinobi stronger than konohamaru believes he is a good. ok? (konan doesn't count because she calls him a god so that other people do. she is also biased because she puts all of her hopes in others)

Rinnegan>sharingan, but most of the times the user of the eye counts most.

He ran from the 6tails and he didn't personally put tsunade in a coma...she exerted herself. I will give him credit for beating jirayia (and that was just because he didn't know his secret, otherwise he would have probably lost - pain said that himself). And you don't see how he beat hanzo you just hear about it. there are very few flashbacks of it.


Any itachi fight (except for sasuke and let's say vs naruto and kakashi) lasted under 1 second. We don't see him kill his clan but I'm guessing he was fast since he wiped them all in 1 night... and remember : they were all uchiha, and all powerful. They planned to take over the leaf, which means they had the manpower. Also he killed Shisui, who was extremely powerful with his unique sharingan ability.
AND LOL AT THE LAST PART. I will stop the debate here because it is not a debate anymore. Itachi DID NOT WANT TO KILL KAKASHI. WE DELIBERATELY LET KAKASHI LIVE BECAUSE HE WAS AN IMPORTANT SHINOBI IN THE LEAF. AND ALSO PAIN HIMSELF DID NOT KILL KAKASHI. KAKASHI SACRIFICED HIMSELF. I just love it how people argue that Naruto didn't beat Pain because he sacrificed himself, but when it comes to everyone else THE LOST BECAUSE I R FANBOY.

exactly my point. "ITACHI WANTED TO DESTROY THE VILLAGE BUT COULDN'T BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID OF GAI AND PAIN DESTROYED IT AND I <3 PAIN". I'm so tired of this fanboysm that's going on here.

RULES TO AVOID BEING A FANBOY:
1. LEARN HOW TO READ
2. READ THE MANGA, DON'T LOOK AT THE PRETTY PICTURES ONLY
3. THINK ABOUT IT
4. READ IT AGAIN
5. REALIZE THAT THERE IS A LARGER PICTURE IN THE MANGA, NOT JUST 1 CHAPTER AT A TIME.

That's a start. Don't bother to reply because I am not debating until you can admit that Itachi was PRETENDING to be evil and meant NO harm to Konoha or its shinobi.
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anub i like you but it is exetremely annoying to debate with you. you do nothing but disregard facts and exagerate opinions.

"We don't see him kill his clan but I'm guessing he was fast" example of exageration. first off Sasuke found all his clans man dead at night. he was at school all day. for all you know Itachi could have started the second Sasuke went to school in the morning and the massacre could have taken all day. and also i love how you dont mention it was Madara who also helped him..

"who exactly believes Pain is a god: weaklings from the rain village." ezample of disregarding fact. yea whatever fact is though he was thought of as a God. Hiruzen was known as Hokage, titled God of Shinobis but Pain was thought of as a celestial entity. big difference.

and Konan does count.. "(konan doesn't count because she calls him a god so that other people do. she is also biased because she puts all of her hopes in others)" example of disregarding fact..


everything is just disregardment and exageration.. so no point in me even responding. i will ask you this. how the hell could Itachi beat Pain? be real..
 

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Wow these guys already got crusehd in the Konan and Pain thread.

If they get crused their with Kisame. How you think

Itachi is going to handle a 1 vs 15 here.

Man put this to rest. Its GG
 

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anub i like you but it is exetremely annoying to debate with you. you do nothing but disregard facts and exagerate opinions.

"We don't see him kill his clan but I'm guessing he was fast" example of exageration. first off Sasuke found all his clans man dead at night. he was at school all day. for all you know Itachi could have started the second Sasuke went to school in the morning and the massacre could have taken all day. and also i love how you dont mention it was Madara who also helped him..

"who exactly believes Pain is a god: weaklings from the rain village." ezample of disregarding fact. yea whatever fact is though he was thought of as a God. Hiruzen was known as Hokage, titled God of Shinobis but Pain was thought of as a celestial entity. big difference.

and Konan does count.. "(konan doesn't count because she calls him a god so that other people do. she is also biased because she puts all of her hopes in others)" example of disregarding fact..


everything is just disregardment and exageration.. so no point in me even responding. i will ask you this. how the hell could Itachi beat Pain? be real..
If they have full knowledge

Itachi beating Pain : Itachi starts off in susano'o and uses amaterasu on the surrounding area. Theoretically only 1 of the 6 pains can stop it. Tsukyiomi on that one (while in susano'o) and he's down. Arguably shinra tensei would work against amaterasu, but Itachi can cast it twice in a short period of time and that pain is down. He then waits in susano'o form while the pains burn and then he can look for nagato.

Pain beating Itachi : as soon as Itachi activates susano'o/amaterasu, they start running and shield themselves with summons. Shinra tensei will most likely not work on Itachi's susano'o so that pain will need to use chibaku tensei, while the others sacrifice themselves to protect him while he is casting it. While in chibaku he needs to last longer than Itachi's susano'o and he wins.
 
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