Itachi Uchiha: The Legacy Uncovered! Explinations of His Gifts, Madara, and Sauske!

[Arisonius]

KB said that genjutsu doesn't work on a host. So if Naruto can get enough controle over Kubi he won't need a counter for Genjutsu.

It is probably someting which makes it ewasier for him to counter Sasuke's controle over Kyubi. Some ultimate weapon which Sasuke might use and Itachi thought that Naruto will need a counter for it.

Something which will make Sasuke say" So itachi did not put me above the village after all even if desperatly wanted me alive and well."

Ah I am too tired .... I aaaaaam off before I sleep on my keyboard.

I got a little time and you bring up some good points, so I will answer them.

You are correct, Naruto could have increased his tails and increased his power. I only said it was more powerful than the Bijuu Cloak. Narutos tails go: Bijuu Cloak, One Tail, Two Tails, ETC., I was being conservative here as Sauske clearly won against one tail.

Wher is that quote by Juugo? I don't recall him mention anything about the Orochumaru Seal, only the fact that he hadn't healed fully from his fight with Itachi. I request proof on that please.

You are correct, the cursed seal could consume the user. A common theme with Naruto is with great power comes great risk, and this is wy we haven't seen Sauske use his cursed seal much since the Battle at the Valley of the End.

As for Naruto and Killer Bee, there is clearly a difference between the two and their respective Bijuu, though we do not know exactly what that difference is. Killer Beesaid that Genjutsu won't work on a Jinchuuri who is in full control of his Bijuu, and I sincerely doubt that Naruto is anywhere near fully controlling Kyuubi. I doubt he will gain this control before his next fight with Sauske. We have seen no evidence that he is even working on controlling Kyuubi, so this theory is flawed. As a matter of fact, we have seen Naruton SHUNNING Kyuubi, so this is very doubtful indeed.

 

[Avani]

Wher is that quote by Juugo? I don't recall him mention anything about the Orochumaru Seal, only the fact that he hadn't healed fully from his fight with Itachi. I request proof on that please.

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You are correct, the cursed seal could consume the user. A common theme with Naruto is with great power comes great risk, and this is wy we haven't seen Sauske use his cursed seal much since the Battle at the Valley of the End.

And? thats why the seal was no good. instant power wnd then you are poof.

As for Naruto and Killer Bee, there is clearly a difference between the two and their respective Bijuu, though we do not know exactly what that difference is. Killer Beesaid that Genjutsu won't work on a Jinchuuri who is in full control of his Bijuu, and I sincerely doubt that Naruto is anywhere near fully controlling Kyuubi. I doubt he will gain this control before his next fight with Sauske. We have seen no evidence that he is even working on controlling Kyuubi, so this theory is flawed. As a matter of fact, we have seen Naruton SHUNNING Kyuubi, so this is very doubtful indeed.

Kishi drops hints and thread to use them later on. We learnt that Genjutsu is useless IF host and his bijju work together. whether Naruto is working on it or not at the moment isn't that important.

Naruto was told by Yamato to not to use it. And he has been consious about it ever since. Jiraiya believed he would be ok with it and even be in controle of whole chakra of Kyubi not only half of it.

There is a frog with the key to the rest of Kyuubi chakra and Jiraiya summonned it and gave clear instructions. We have yet to see what will happen, but they were important hints and Kishi won't mention those things if he didn't intend to use it later on. Esoecially when he was going to kill Jiraiya.

Naruto may or may not win if he clashes with Sasuke right now. But, Manga still is far from being finished. There will be a fight in which Naruto overcome Sasuke , for manga is named Naruto. How and when will be finalised by Kishi.

Other than that, Naruto and Sasuke are going to be rivals till the very end. I doubt they will ever stop being rivals even, if, Madara dies, Sasuke revives his clan and Naruto becomes Hokage. They are not much different than Gui and Kakashi rivalry on that point.

 

[Arisonius]

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And? thats why the seal was no good. instant power wnd then you are poof.



Kishi drops hints and thread to use them later on. We learnt that Genjutsu is useless IF host and his bijju work together. whether Naruto is working on it or not at the moment isn't that important.

Naruto was told by Yamato to not to use it. And he has been consious about it ever since. Jiraiya believed he would be ok with it and even be in controle of whole chakra of Kyubi not only half of it.

There is a frog with the key to the rest of Kyuubi chakra and Jiraiya summonned it and gave clear instructions. We have yet to see what will happen, but they were important hints and Kishi won't mention those things if he didn't intend to use it later on. Esoecially when he was going to kill Jiraiya.

Naruto may or may not win if he clashes with Sasuke right now. But, Manga still is far from being finished. There will be a fight in which Naruto overcome Sasuke , for manga is named Naruto. How and when will be finalised by Kishi.

Other than that, Naruto and Sasuke are going to be rivals till the very end. I doubt they will ever stop being rivals even, if, Madara dies, Sasuke revives his clan and Naruto becomes Hokage. They are not much different than Gui and Kakashi rivalry on that point.

Yup, you're right. Juugo mentions Orochimaru's Curseed Seal, and the way he talked about it seems like it hampered his ability to heal. This may be why, as I speculated, Sauske didn't gripe too much about the fact that Itachi removed the seal. The point is relevant, however, tha removal of the seal equates to a removal of power.

I do believe Naruto will unlock the full power of Kyuubi some day, I do believe hat Naruto will have control, or at least the respect of, Kyuubi some day, and I do believe that Naruto will beat Sauske some day. All of these things have been foreshadowed. However, I do not think these things will come to pass before Naruto and Sauske battle again.

If you read this before I edited it I apologize, I've got a lot going on at the same time and forgot what thread I was defending.

 

[Avani]

Naruto is irrelevant in a conversation ablout Sauske and Killer Bee.

LOl, Wrong thread. You are disscussing Itachi Uchiha and his gifts and legacy. There is no KB here. Why bring him? But as you mentioned it , if Sasuke beats him now- its no big deal. He is a copy cat as I already point out in your other thread and he will know how he was fooled last time. and in the meanwhile he would have learn to controle his new powers. Present Sasuke was not good enough

you raised the points about Sasuke and strength of the seal and I countered that. You asked about proof about Juggo's comment- you got it. But, You went on boasting about some speculation which was never a point of debate- that Sasuke was not mouring lose of seal. I don't see any point in that.

It was harming him. So the strength was really useless.

 

[Arisonius]

LOl, Wrong thread. You are disscussing Itachi Uchiha and his gifts and legacy. There is no KB here. Why bring him? But as you mentioned it , if Sasuke beats him now- its no big deal. He is a copy cat as I already point out in your other thread and he will know how he was fooled last time. and in the meanwhile he would have learn to controle his new powers. Present Sasuke was not good enough

you raised the points about Sasuke and strength of the seal and I countered that. You asked about proof about Juggo's comment- you got it. But, You went on boasting about some speculation which was never a point of debate- that Sasuke was not mouring lose of seal. I don't see any point in that.

It was harming him. So the strength was really useless.

I already noticed the mistake and edited the post. I never said that Sauske was mourning the loss o Orochimaru's Cursed Seal. I only said that it weakend him.

If the fact that harm outweighs strength were true we would not see all these different character attempting to dsicover, and using forbidden ninjutsu.

Ex: Orochimaru'sBody Transfer Technique: This essentialy gives him immortality. However, if he guesses wrong and the body deteriorates before he can use the Ninjutsu aain, he will die.
Tsunande's Body Regeneration Technique: This allows her to heal incredibly fast but shortens her life span due to limited cell-division. (biology)
Same for Naruto's ability to heal quickly via Kyuubi.
Pein's Massive Shinra Tensei: Its the equivlent of a nuclear bomb, but it shortens his life span.

So, there is obviously a point where strength outweighs risk and danger. The cursed seal had it's uses.

 

[Cash]

amaterasu came from his left eye.......ninjutsu from the left.....genjutsu from the right........super tech(susano) from both

i will rep you for your hard work making all these threads (taking my advise eh?) although i tend to disagree with you on most topics

ACTUALLY... Susano came from the nose.... look it up in mythology.

 

[Cash]

In this post I am going to be covering a few theories of mine regarding the various Magekenyo Sharingan's we have seen, the gifts Itachi gave Naruto and Sauske, and what is behind the mask of Madara Uchiha, formerly known as Tobi.

Let us begin with the gifts of Itachi Uchiha to his younger brother, Sauske Uchiha, and the son of Minato Namikaze, Naruto Uzamaki. I will begin with the gift that Itachi Uchiha gave Sauske Uchiha.

We see Itachi give Sauske these gifts during their fight together. In this fight Itachi gives Sauske two different gifts. The first gift is that he removes Oorchimaru's Cursed Seal, the secons gift, according to Madara Uchiha, is that Itachi bestowed upon Sauske all of his eye techniques.

Lets look into the first gift: The Removal of Oorchimaru's Cursed Seal. This seal gave Sauske incredible power, boosted his stamina, chakra, and speed at 'Level One.' At 'Level Two' the seal would take over Sauske's body, transforming him into a winged monstrosity, but in return granting him power greater than that of a Jinkuuri's Bijuu Cloak. We must remember as well that during the Battle at the Valley of the End, Sauske VS Naruto, Saske had just received his cursed seal. As time went on and he began to master its uses, who knows what kind of power it could have granted him?
However, the cursed seal also allowed Oorchimaru to maintain a foot-hold withing Sauske's body. As long as Oorchimaru remained within Sauske I do not think it is beyond the realm of possibility that he could have eventually taken over. I think that we are able to see this, most clearly, as a possible scenario during the fighting. Saske summons a large number of snakes, and from the mouth of one we see the materialization of Oorchimaru himself! I do not think this is what Sauske intended when using the jutsu.
So, that being said, Itachi's first gift to Sauske accomplished two things. First of all, it weakened him substantially, and secondly, it freed Sauske from Oorchimaru's grasp. I think it would be fair to say that Sauske found this to be an acceptable trade-off as we have yet to see him gripe about the fact that he no longer has it.

The second gift Itachi gave Sauske were his eye techniques: Amaterasu and Tsukiomi. I believe Madara when he says that he gave Sauaske all of his eye techniques, and we will get into why later.
The fist time we see Amaterasu from Sauske we see his Magekenyo Sharingan looks exactly like Itachi's. This is not a mistake, and it is crucially important. (More on this later.) Tobi (at that time this is all we knew him by) says that Itachi must have implanted Amaterasu into Sauske and caused it to be triggered when Sauske saw his sharingan. (I will get into why that is only a half-truth later.) We then see Madara Uchiha put out the of Amaterasu. (This is also important, I will explain why later.) I believe that Itachi also gave Sauske an Tsukiomi trigger, but this one is going to be used in the battle against Naruto. I will explain why when we discuss Narutos gift, up next.

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[ssanimo]

ACTUALLY... Susano came from the nose.... look it up in mythology.

yes well in mythology i believe hachibi was an 8 headed snake.....and what was he in naruto.......look it up(back at ya)

 

[Arisonius]

ACTUALLY... Susano came from the nose.... look it up in mythology.

I believe he was talking about itachi casting Susanoo with both eyes.

 

[Arisonius]

Take a read at my thread, and all the replies, and my comments on those...

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The images were deleted by NB, but I wrote down the numbers later in the thread

I will look into it later. I might even have a rebuttle for you, if you wouldn't mind. I will study it when I get more time.

 

[Arisonius]

yes well in mythology i believe hachibi was an 8 headed snake.....and what was he in naruto.......look it up(back at ya)

*cough* that was Orochi, aka Orochimaru. *cough*

 

[Avani]

I already noticed the mistake and edited the post. I never said that Sauske was mourning the loss o Orochimaru's Cursed Seal. I only said that it weakend him.

Nor I implied that you said so.

If the fact that harm outweighs strength were true we would not see all these different character attempting to dsicover, and using forbidden ninjutsu.

Ex: Orochimaru'sBody Transfer Technique: This essentialy gives him immortality. However, if he guesses wrong and the body deteriorates before he can use the Ninjutsu aain, he will die.
Tsunande's Body Regeneration Technique: This allows her to heal incredibly fast but shortens her life span due to limited cell-division. (biology)
Same for Naruto's ability to heal quickly via Kyuubi.
Pein's Massive Shinra Tensei: Its the equivlent of a nuclear bomb, but it shortens his life span.

So, there is obviously a point where strength outweighs risk and danger. The cursed seal had it's uses.

You are forgetting a basic point- Orochimaru's technique was his own choice and he did it for something he wanted desperately for himself.

Tsunade and Pain's techniques or even Naruto's are self harmful but they are not constant threat to their life, health or anything if they do not use it. If they chose to use it only then it affects them. In fact, Tsunade's techique is the best and works wonders for her in daily routine. It heals- harm is only when used in dire conditions.

Juggo implies that Oro's seal hindered Sasuke's ability to heal 24/7, whether he used it or not- Kishi deliberately put that dialogue in. Besides Kimimaro was about to die soon either way . I don't think Kishi would give him that much footage if he was not dropping a hint.

It is safe to assume seeing all the sealed people's body that it shorttenned their life span to a considerable degree and due to instant harful effects and Oro had a permanant hold on them . (Anko was probably in better condition because she didn't cross first stage, but we just don't know.)

Sasuke already crossed the first level. He was warned that his transformation would be permanant if he remained in that form for long. Since Oro was about to take him over he was already at the advance stage of seal. But, he was not Orochimaru, and would probably not go for a body replacement. His fate would have been of Kimimaro in the end.

In case of Sasuke the positive seem to outweigh negatives .

Saying that, I think we should agree to disagree at this point. Both of us are too stubbern to convert. XD

 

[ssanimo]

*cough* that was Orochi, aka Orochimaru. *cough*

nope......from my first thread on NB

Eight Tails (Hachibi),
Yamata no Orochi
(Also known as Hachimata)
Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Yamata no Orochi is a Snake bijuu. It has crimsom red eyes, eight heads and eight tails (also depicted to having trees and vines growing around them) and has the power of the Demon world, a symbol of evil. Each head of Yamata no Orochi represents a symbol: Soul, Ghost, Evil, Devil, Monstrous, Kill, The Afterworld and Death.
Its powers were originally weak, the members of the Kusanagi clan, when attacking it, acted carelessly, using the legendary sword Kusanagi no Tsurugi (Oro?s sword). Because of that, as a consequence, Yamata no Orochi takes the sword from them, absorbing the power contained inside, and becoming an incredibly powerful creature, and finally storing it in its body.
With the new power, Yamata no Orochi releases an insane amount of dark energy, awakening the other Bijuu and becoming arrogant. Yamata no Orochi proceeds to defeat many of the Bijuu, but when it battles with Kyuubi, it is defeated. The cause of this is simple: Kyuubi has an unlimited amount of power, making even a hole in the Kusanagi sword. As this happens, it shows how tremendously powerful Kyuubi is, deserving of the ?King of Bijuu? title. Not even Sarutobi and Enma (I?m not sure how those two are into the legend) could scratch the Kusanagi no Tsurugi. (That makes connections to the Oro x Sandaime battle)
Legend also depicted it as having a power able to rival Kyuubi?s [in quality], but the fact is, Yamata no Orochi?s does have a limit.
Situation in the Ancient War of the 9 Gods： Battled 5 times; 4 Wins, 1 Losses
Wins： Shukaku, Isonade, Kaku, Raijuu
Losses： Kyuubi
Fate： Yamata no Orochi awaits a genius of the Yagami (NOT the Kanji of Yagami from Death Note, but Yagami as in Eight Gods: 八神) clan, which is the arch enemy of the Kusanagi clan. The purpose is to awake it [Yamata no Orochi], in order to fight Kyuubi again.
Since Yamata no Orochi?s power inherits in the Yagami Clan, If the heir appears as the first genius in 1000 years that is able to awake Yamata no Orochi?s ability, it will be completely restored. Once the process is done, the genius with such crucial task will be destroyed due to the true body of Yamata no Orochi resurfacing, which has an all-new power. It won?t be found before the decisive battle with Kyuubi, and will be able to kill no matter of thing, destroy any type of place, and attain infinite vision (as Kyuubi has). The core of Yamata no Orochi?s power is in a kind of forbidden sealing jutsu. As soon as the Yagami clan heir comprehends enough of it, a bigger, much stronger power will surface in the grasp of Yamata no Orochi.
Japanese Myth Appearance: A super Snake of Eight heads and Eight tails, attached to a single body. Has a deep brown color. It definitely is the biggest bijuu - the lenghth of it is over eight mountains. Originally, it was weaker than Houkou and Nekomata; however, that was 1000 years before a brave warrior tried defeating it with the Kusanagi no Tsurugi. In the process, the sword?s power is absorbed instead by Yamata no Orochi, thus greatly expanding his power. He continues though to be able to use freely the sword in his belly.
Ability: The legendary sword: Kusanagi no Tsurugi; summoning of evil spirits
Bijuu Strength Ranking： 2nd
Bijuu Chakra/Stamina Ranking： 2nd
Symbolic Element： Devil
Origin / Discovered in： An old battlefield in Osaka
Personal notes: Now, everyone knows this one resembles Orochimaru, but what I like is the ?Yagami genius? legend, which OF COURSE screams Sasuke.
More info about Yamata no Orochi:
There is the story of the killing of the Eight-Headed Serpent by Susanoo. According to the legend, a local town had been living in fear of the Serpent, and the townspeople offered the sacrifice of a young girl each year to keep it appeased. Lord Susano heard about the town's dilemma, and became determined to slay the beast. He exterminated the serpent by serving it alcohol, and then cutting off its heads while it was intoxicated. Between the Kagura performances, this one is the most famous.

 

[Arisonius]

nope......from my first thread on NB

Eight Tails (Hachibi),
Yamata no Orochi
(Also known as Hachimata)
Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts: Yamata no Orochi is a Snake bijuu. It has crimsom red eyes, eight heads and eight tails (also depicted to having trees and vines growing around them) and has the power of the Demon world, a symbol of evil. Each head of Yamata no Orochi represents a symbol: Soul, Ghost, Evil, Devil, Monstrous, Kill, The Afterworld and Death.
Its powers were originally weak, the members of the Kusanagi clan, when attacking it, acted carelessly, using the legendary sword Kusanagi no Tsurugi (Oro?s sword). Because of that, as a consequence, Yamata no Orochi takes the sword from them, absorbing the power contained inside, and becoming an incredibly powerful creature, and finally storing it in its body.
With the new power, Yamata no Orochi releases an insane amount of dark energy, awakening the other Bijuu and becoming arrogant. Yamata no Orochi proceeds to defeat many of the Bijuu, but when it battles with Kyuubi, it is defeated. The cause of this is simple: Kyuubi has an unlimited amount of power, making even a hole in the Kusanagi sword. As this happens, it shows how tremendously powerful Kyuubi is, deserving of the ?King of Bijuu? title. Not even Sarutobi and Enma (I?m not sure how those two are into the legend) could scratch the Kusanagi no Tsurugi. (That makes connections to the Oro x Sandaime battle)
Legend also depicted it as having a power able to rival Kyuubi?s [in quality], but the fact is, Yamata no Orochi?s does have a limit.
Situation in the Ancient War of the 9 Gods: Battled 5 times; 4 Wins, 1 Losses
Wins: Shukaku, Isonade, Kaku, Raijuu
Losses: Kyuubi
Fate: Yamata no Orochi awaits a genius of the Yagami (NOT the Kanji of Yagami from Death Note, but Yagami as in Eight Gods: ??) clan, which is the arch enemy of the Kusanagi clan. The purpose is to awake it [Yamata no Orochi], in order to fight Kyuubi again.
Since Yamata no Orochi?s power inherits in the Yagami Clan, If the heir appears as the first genius in 1000 years that is able to awake Yamata no Orochi?s ability, it will be completely restored. Once the process is done, the genius with such crucial task will be destroyed due to the true body of Yamata no Orochi resurfacing, which has an all-new power. It won?t be found before the decisive battle with Kyuubi, and will be able to kill no matter of thing, destroy any type of place, and attain infinite vision (as Kyuubi has). The core of Yamata no Orochi?s power is in a kind of forbidden sealing jutsu. As soon as the Yagami clan heir comprehends enough of it, a bigger, much stronger power will surface in the grasp of Yamata no Orochi.
Japanese Myth Appearance: A super Snake of Eight heads and Eight tails, attached to a single body. Has a deep brown color. It definitely is the biggest bijuu - the lenghth of it is over eight mountains. Originally, it was weaker than Houkou and Nekomata; however, that was 1000 years before a brave warrior tried defeating it with the Kusanagi no Tsurugi. In the process, the sword?s power is absorbed instead by Yamata no Orochi, thus greatly expanding his power. He continues though to be able to use freely the sword in his belly.
Ability: The legendary sword: Kusanagi no Tsurugi; summoning of evil spirits
Bijuu Strength Ranking: 2nd
Bijuu Chakra/Stamina Ranking: 2nd
Symbolic Element: Devil
Origin / Discovered in: An old battlefield in Osaka
Personal notes: Now, everyone knows this one resembles Orochimaru, but what I like is the ?Yagami genius? legend, which OF COURSE screams Sasuke.
More info about Yamata no Orochi:
There is the story of the killing of the Eight-Headed Serpent by Susanoo. According to the legend, a local town had been living in fear of the Serpent, and the townspeople offered the sacrifice of a young girl each year to keep it appeased. Lord Susano heard about the town's dilemma, and became determined to slay the beast. He exterminated the serpent by serving it alcohol, and then cutting off its heads while it was intoxicated. Between the Kagura performances, this one is the most famous.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We're talking about the same thing here, right? Hachibi is Killers Bees Bijuu, an Ox. Orochi is an eight headed snake, personified by Orochimaru. I don't think Im understanding something, lol.

Anywho, interesting research. Leads me to believe we may see Orochimaru later on. Why else let him live?