[VS] Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasori vs Sannin and old Hiruzen

[AGoodBoy]

Such baseless assumptions. FTG is a S/T ninjutsu. So yes, they are nearly the same and work the same. Bold makes no sense. Explain to me why can't he just teleport to any location he wishes then? Since they require the same FTG formula.




Did you not read where it says Daikodan only absorbs chakra? Is the yata mirror made out of chakra? Daikodan isn't getting past the Yata Mirror, so it's not eating the Susano'o. Like how retarded can someone be to not grasp this.





The terrain will be covered with water as Kisame can dispel his giant lake. This limits Minato to only being able to tag his teammates. Jiraiya, all summons, Tsunade, and Hiruzen all can get one shotted by Amaterasu. Which limits Minato to a even fewer selection. And I haven't even addressed Deidara and Sasori, lmao this fight won't even be raised to high-difficulty.

Without including Hashirama, the only edos here are near featless Tobirama and Minato. OP states Hiruzen is alive, and will get stomped effortlessly.

S/t barrier isn't ftg. He sucks the jutsu into the 'void' using a Mumbai with the seal then expels it wherever he pleases, hence why he said he has to be careful where he send it. It is also likely he can ftg without markings to some degree. Eg.

St barrier BM to the middle of no where. He wouldn't have a random kunai sitting out in no where

Ftg himself, family and kyuubi to a completely different middle of no where with no ftg formula in sight.

Ftg / shun shin to a tree. Even if it was shunshin it was fast enough to allow him to pick up kushina, notice the danger, and flee all while kura ma's hand hurtled down

Gtg from kage statue to kurama.he hadn't engaged pharma yet and kurama was pushed out of village so it's impossible for him to have had a marking nearby or for him to run those hundred meters in the few seconds while kurama charged bm .

In summary? Stop acting like you fully understand his jutsu. You're not kishimoto.

As to the people saying tsukuyomi, bringer of darkness blinds everyone on team 1 except itachi, so even if he used tsuku he'd be going at it alone. Also tsuk causes mental, not physical trauma. Hashi has a strong life force and would either be hard to hold in tsuku or hard to incapacitate by it.

Kusanagi, enma, snakes, toads, slugs, frog song, water, earth, fire, air jutsu and sealing jutsu all give team 1 a hard time. Without Edo team 1 wins mid-high diff. As soon as even 1 immortal/limitless stamina Edo comes out, they lose high diff. As soon as the 3 hokage come out, it becomes a low diff stomp.

Edos easily deal with sasori as poison won't affect the dead.
Tobirama potentially deals with kisame as we know he is highly versed in kenjutsu. That + immortality would make him take out kisame even through gsb.
Has hi takes out itachi
Mina to takes out deidara
And that's only the edos, not the other 4 team members.edos are meant to wipe the battlefield clean. With death not being a restraint and the edits all having killing intent (protect students and family), they'll have no regards about using their best moves and piggy backing immortality like itachi did.

 

[Lightbringer]

Akatsuki takes this one

 

[Shura]

Summoning the coffins takes 2 seconds. The next 2 seconds they're conscious.
Team 2 has a lot of summons and also decent firepower, i find that very unlikely.

No, it takes more time than that. Itachi has enough time to pierce the coffin and even so, he still has his Genjutsu.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

With or without edo, the Team 1 has this.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

S/t barrier isn't ftg. He sucks the jutsu into the 'void' using a Mumbai with the seal then expels it wherever he pleases, hence why he said he has to be careful where he send it. It is also likely he can ftg without markings to some degree. Eg.

St barrier BM to the middle of no where. He wouldn't have a random kunai sitting out in no where

Ftg himself, family and kyuubi to a completely different middle of no where with no ftg formula in sight.

Ftg / shun shin to a tree. Even if it was shunshin it was fast enough to allow him to pick up kushina, notice the danger, and flee all while kura ma's hand hurtled down

Gtg from kage statue to kurama.he hadn't engaged pharma yet and kurama was pushed out of village so it's impossible for him to have had a marking nearby or for him to run those hundred meters in the few seconds while kurama charged bm .

In summary? Stop acting like you fully understand his jutsu. You're not kishimoto.


As to the people saying tsukuyomi, bringer of darkness blinds everyone on team 1 except itachi, so even if he used tsuku he'd be going at it alone. Also tsuk causes mental, not physical trauma. Hashi has a strong life force and would either be hard to hold in tsuku or hard to incapacitate by it.

Kusanagi, enma, snakes, toads, slugs, frog song, water, earth, fire, air jutsu and sealing jutsu all give team 1 a hard time. Without Edo team 1 wins mid-high diff. As soon as even 1 immortal/limitless stamina Edo comes out, they lose high diff. As soon as the 3 hokage come out, it becomes a low diff stomp.

Edos easily deal with sasori as poison won't affect the dead.
Tobirama potentially deals with kisame as we know he is highly versed in kenjutsu. That + immortality would make him take out kisame even through gsb.
Has hi takes out itachi
Mina to takes out deidara
And that's only the edos, not the other 4 team members.edos are meant to wipe the battlefield clean. With death not being a restraint and the edits all having killing intent (protect students and family), they'll have no regards about using their best moves and piggy backing immortality like itachi did.

Did I say FTG is a S/T barrier? Read more closely next time. I said FTG is a S/T ninjutsu. He said he needs to pick a safe place, which implies there is only a set amount of places he can send it to. If he could send it anywhere he desires, why didn't he send it completely out of the villages sight? Or way up in the sky facing the atmosphere? Or even outerspace? Huh? Because he can't.

@ Bold- manga proof?

It wasn't the middle of no where. It was the outskirts of the village, hence why the blast was visible from the village. He is the Hokage, why wouldn't he have the FTG tag around the vicinity of the village. In fact, he teleported himself with the kyuubi the same distance away from the village as he did to the TB. [

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I don't even understand whatever the fck you wrote after that. Awfully ironic that you're telling me to stop acting like I understand the jutsu because i'm not kishimoto.

Everything which isn't Physical is Chakra.

I would love for you to share some more of that manga that you read as it's clearly not this one that were discussing.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

lmao at people claiming Hashirama can be Tsukuyomi'd and sealed by Itachi.

Stay classy, Itachi fanboys.

With or without edo, the Team 1 has this.

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[AGoodBoy]

Did I say FTG is a S/T barrier? Read more closely next time. I said FTG is a S/T ninjutsu. He said he needs to pick a safe place, which implies there is only a set amount of places he can send it to. If he could send it anywhere he desires, why didn't he send it completely out of the villages sight? Or way up in the sky facing the atmosphere? Or even outerspace? Huh? Because he can't.

@ Bold- manga proof?

It wasn't the middle of no where. It was the outskirts of the village, hence why the blast was visible from the village. He is the Hokage, why wouldn't he have the FTG tag around the vicinity of the village. In fact, he teleported himself with the kyuubi the same distance away from the village as he did to the TB. [

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I don't even understand whatever the fck you wrote after that. Awfully ironic that you're telling me to stop acting like I understand the jutsu because i'm not kishimoto.



I would love for you to share some more of that manga that you read as it's clearly not this one that were discussing.

Manga proof was the 5 examples I gave you...?
How would he send it to space? Do you even know how far space is? You try to doing logical but make no sense. No ones ever even used s/t above ground level for that matter. He sent it where he sent it because he knew it was remote. You want him to send it out of sight of konoha and evidently insight of someone else's territory? That'd start a new war. That's like america having a misfired nuke heading for Washington, but decide to send it to Canada to get it 'out of sight' of the village(USA). There's obviously a set territory, tb'in someone else's territory/village accidentally would cause trouble especially since kyuubi was under the control of konoha. That's a direct act of war. In short, its not konoha and a bunch of white space. Its territory after territory and no ones shown the ability to even remotely travel to space, let alone the stratosphere. That's if NV ninja know of space, they probably think the world is flat. If you try to act as a smart ass, don't leave out the smart part.

It was the middle of no where. Out skirts is beyond the gates. They were so far that the blast looked small. Why would he have tagged a random spot in a forest? What? He liked to picnic there?

I'm being auto corrected with 1 line of space to see what I'm typing. If you didn't understand then that's your problem, but there's enough manga evidence showing Mina to moving vast distances to places which don't have tags.

 

[Shura]

lmao at people claiming Hashirama can be Tsukuyomi'd and sealed by Itachi.

Stay classy, Itachi fanboys.

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Does he have a counter to Tsukuyomi? No.

 

[Zexion~]

When did this thread become about hashirama

 

[Shura]

When did this thread become about hashirama

Well, Oro can use ET... :erm:

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Does he have a counter to Tsukuyomi? No.

If he can't be controlled with edo tensei I don't see how can the Tsukuyomi KO him.

 

[Shura]

If he can't be controlled with edo tensei I don't see how can the Tsukuyomi KO him.

That really isn't a counter to Tsukuyomi or Genjutsu. If Itachi gets him in a Genjutsu, he could seal him with Totsuka. :erm: There's also a possibility that Oro would die before he summons Hashi or that Itachi would pierce the coffin itself with Totsuka.

 

[Zexion~]

but he can not controll hashi .. this has beem said lmao

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

but he can not controll hashi .. this has beem said lmao

He can't control him, but he can summon him. And I bet my life he would help his granddaughter and Sarutobi to defeat the team1.

 

[KidGamer65]

but he can not controll hashi .. this has beem said lmao

He doesn't really need to for this fight as Tsunade is on his team and he will obviously help his granddaughter now won't he?

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

If he can't be controlled with edo tensei I don't see how can the Tsukuyomi KO him.

ET is NINJUTSU
tsukuyomi is GENJUTSU
Hashirama has awesome ninjutsu feats and absolutely no genjutsu feats
Tsukuyomi one-shots him
his chakra which is 86524334634 times as good as Itachi's won't help against someone who can simply one-shot him before he could put his hands together or form a hand seal or summon something

 

[Zexion~]

i guess ... But did it not take some prep time for him to even summon the Edo's .. if im not mistaken he had to kill himself.. unless i mis understood ( which i most likely did as i only glanced at that chapter) How can people use that in Vs section

 

[KidGamer65]

i guess ... But did it not take some prep time for him to even summon the Edo's .. if im not mistaken he had to kill himself.. unless i mis understood ( which i most likely did as i only glanced at that chapter) How can people use that in Vs section

That was the ritual to bring their souls back. He doesn't need to do that twice.

 

[Zexion~]

That was the ritual to bring their souls back. He doesn't need to do that twice.

thought as much ... well then team 2 wins by quite allot ...

 

[Red Slayer]

Itachi's and SASORI'S fANBOYS XDXDXDXDXDXXD NICE JOB:bouncy::bouncy::bouncy: