[VS] Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasori vs Sannin and old Hiruzen

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ET is NINJUTSU
tsukuyomi is GENJUTSU
Hashirama has awesome ninjutsu feats and absolutely no genjutsu feats
Tsukuyomi one-shots him
his chakra which is 86524334634 times as good as Itachi's won't help against someone who can simply one-shot him before he could put his hands together or form a hand seal or summon something

... No Mangekyo Sharingan technique by itself could defeat Hashirama even when he was alive, much less with limitless chakra and stamina, Madara is a good proof of that.

Anyways, even without the impure summoning the only outcome I can see for this battle is the outcome Itachi himself sees in a battle between him and Jiraiya: either stalemate or Team 1 loses.
 

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Manga proof was the 5 examples I gave you...?
How would he send it to space? Do you even know how far space is? You try to doing logical but make no sense. No ones ever even used s/t above ground level for that matter. He sent it where he sent it because he knew it was remote. You want him to send it out of sight of konoha and evidently insight of someone else's territory? That'd start a new war. That's like america having a misfired nuke heading for Washington, but decide to send it to Canada to get it 'out of sight' of the village(USA). There's obviously a set territory, tb'in someone else's territory/village accidentally would cause trouble especially since kyuubi was under the control of konoha. That's a direct act of war. In short, its not konoha and a bunch of white space. Its territory after territory and no ones shown the ability to even remotely travel to space, let alone the stratosphere. That's if NV ninja know of space, they probably think the world is flat. If you try to act as a smart ass, don't leave out the smart part.

It was the middle of no where. Out skirts is beyond the gates. They were so far that the blast looked small. Why would he have tagged a random spot in a forest? What? He liked to picnic there?

I'm being auto corrected with 1 line of space to see what I'm typing. If you didn't understand then that's your problem, but there's enough manga evidence showing Mina to moving vast distances to places which don't have tags.

So you call your poorly written examples manga proof? You're trying to argue that Minato can teleport anywhere he chooses without the use of his FTG Kunai. If you read the manga, you'd know he can't.

Minato can only teleport to his FTG kunai[ ]-[ ] or what he tags with the FTG formula [ ]. He doesn't teleport to any location he chooses at all. If what you say were to be true, then there would be no point of him using the kunais in the first place.

I'm only taking what you said into context. Doesn't have to be in someone else's territory. He could of easily sent in the middle of the ocean where Konoha would be safe from the massive shock waves.
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