Itachi Is Wrong & A Fool

[NukaCola]

Attaining world peace isn't possible at all...fiction or not.
Well I guess you can end the series showing people or characters happy and stuff, but really..no.

You obviously don't know the meaning of fiction

 

[Korowa]

Geez. This thread failed. So much. :/

"Itachi loved the village more than anything, but truly nothing compared to his baby brother, not even the village. He could have easily killed sasuke long ago. Knowing his intentions and such, yet he didn't/couldn't because he's that important. "

He didn't love the village more than anything. He's not a patriot or jingoist. He protected the greater majority living there due to being a pacifist (as much of a pacifist as a shinobi can be) and didn't want a war to ensue or all of his clan to be eliminated in war and forever disgraced as traitors. The village system was initially created in order to connect clans and promote the peace. His ideology was that if peace starts in one nation and war is prevented, then it will follow through in others. Which it did. Instead of entirely changing the system on his own, he wished to protect the good/innocent parts of it that he could. This is considerably feasible and it's honestly more reasonable than the rubbish Naruto and Sasuke continually spew now.

You basically said that Itachi was wrong in his theory and Sasuke won the argument. Both are illegitimate claims.

Kishimoto has already stated in interviews in earlier years that he plans on Naruto being Hokage. Sasuke doesn't have a shot and it's confirmed that Naruto will be the leader at some point, the only question is how far into the future of the story.

The title of this thread has very little to do with its conclusion and the majority of its content.

 

[Im Still Robin]

The only thing stopping world peace is people's belief that it is unattainable.

Exactly, which reverts right back to the main core part of it all..attaining world peace is impossible. I never stated the reason why, but it should be obvious...which you just stated.

Madara however...call me an idiot was somewhat right. Genjutsu is fake, but seeing them happy in such a believable world that they don't even know that's real, fake, etc. isn't entirely bad to attain true happiness everywhere.

I know everything about world peace, but I'm entirely against it and want destruction to happen among people in general. I'm bad :|

That's what I meant Lol

That's what I meant, but that's false...the movie is arising and obviously if it does happen in this nonfic then it ends.

 

[Genjin]

No, then Naruto would just be doing what he's doing now...actually if he wins, get all the bijuu's fully chakra and everything he's actually gonna do what Madara was doing.

Sasuke and Naruto have power, but not entirely too much. As the sage said its impossible to control all the power.

This has been debunked by the sage itself and Naruto.

 

[Bling Kai]

The only thing stopping world peace is people's belief that it is unattainable.

I honestly think that people all need to have limited freedom as to what they can be allowed to believe.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I honestly think that people all need to have limited freedom as to what they can be allowed to believe.

Where did I disagree with that?

 

[Im Still Robin]

This has been debunked by the sage itself and Naruto.

Scans...Naruto has no reason at all. Everyone carry hatred inside of them. It only takes one little thing and bye world peace.

If Sasuke killed sakura, hinata, or kakashi...he would hate sasuke.

The only reason I can't find a reason for the sage to gain hatred is because we still no little to nothing that happened to him, his brother, etc.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

The only thing stopping world peace is people's belief that it is unattainable.

Peace isn't attainable without removing the free will of humans, which Madara recognized, but nobody wants to have their free will removed.

 

[shelke]

Attaining world peace is impossible because of a multitude of ideologies, especially political. Itachi failed to grasp the arbitrary side of Kage-politics. Being a kage isn't about peace or people, it was always about domination and dirty politics to maintain political supremacy. A Kage was never selected by its people, so the approval of all lobby didn't matter.

In all honesty, as long as - from a general view-point that encompasses NV as well - as long as borders exist and humans are indoctrinated into believing politics and the ensuing ideals of Nationalism or Jingoism, we can never truly have peace. As add self-conceived individualism into this brought about by cultural and familial - even religious - factors and the whole thing creates further rift between people.

This always gives rise to conflict. As they are not always political based. Is humanity really capable of believing in one single ideology, or being truly objective? That is the real question. Interesting thread. + Repped.

 

[Eternal Sage]

And I > you...come I'll solo everyone in this thread.

You don't know what the word "solo" means. Having a butthurt response to every post and a fail attempt at an edgy status and sig isn't soloing sh*t

 

[Tennis Robot]

Peace isn't attainable without removing the free will of humans, which Madara recognized, but nobody wants to have their free will removed.

I think that there are methods of attaining peace that would not require people to sacrifice their freedom.

 

[Mad Daz]

He failed, knowing and taking action to actually be beyond a hokage is what sasuke is trying to do.
A hokage have to make sacrifices. He did, yet at the same time failed.

Do you wish to insult me, try to disagree and get owned again, or all of the above?
We all know you're a naruto flapper. This isn't against Naruto dude.

And before you try to sasuke I like sasuke or whatever...I don't. Itachi clearly failed, and he admitted it. So are you still gonna be in denial?


Oh, yeah man so does Naruto, sasuke, etc. Its just no one can truly succeed as one. By attain true world peace.

5th grade reading level. Itachi failed only in turning sasuke. His ideals and words continue to be a symbol of intelligence in this manga. Itachi should have said everything he told Naruto to Sasuke, then perhaps he wouldnt be so lost.

 

[Im Still Robin]

You don't know what the word "solo" means. Having a butthurt response to every post and a fail attempt at an edgy status and sig isn't soloing sh*t

I careless.

All I care about is your response and only that. However if its irrelevant then I don't. But I won't be ken to just ignore it.

Your stupidity and ideals will be known. I'll destroy your stupid ideology with my own.

I'm not saying I'm 100% correct or will be every single time, but I'm persistent. Regardless, if you just came here to insult then you're a waste.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I careless.

All I care about is your response and only that. However if its irrelevant then I don't. But I won't be ken to just ignore it.

Your stupidity and ideals will be known. I'll destroy your stupid ideology with my own.

I'm not saying I'm 100% correct or will be every single time, but I'm persistent. Regardless, if you just came here to insult then you're a waste.

Actually, you did say that you were unbiased...

 

[Mad Daz]

Attaining world peace is impossible because of a multitude of ideologies, especially political. Itachi failed to grasp the arbitrary side of Kage-politics. Being a kage isn't about peace or people, it was always about domination and dirty politics to maintain political supremacy. A Kage was never selected by its people, so the approval of all lobby didn't matter.

In all honesty, as long as - from a general view-point that encompasses NV as well - as long as borders exist and humans are indoctrinated into believing politics and the ensuing ideals of Nationalism or Jingoism, we can never truly have peace. As add self-conceived individualism into this brought about by cultural and familial - even religious - factors and the whole thing creates further rift between people.

This always gives rise to conflict. As they are not always political based. Is humanity really capable of believing in one single ideology, or being truly objective? That is the real question. Interesting thread. + Repped.

is it just me or does this guy always try way to hard XD

 

[Im Still Robin]

5th grade reading level. Itachi failed only in turning sasuke. His ideals and words continue to be a symbol of intelligence in this manga. Itachi should have said everything he told Naruto to Sasuke, then perhaps he wouldnt be so lost.

You accepted all of the above...even if that's the wrong choice?

You can't turn someone who isn't worth changing. Sasuke is a fool to think he can do all this by himself imo. However the foreshadow of him completing his goals left and right and to see Naruto hasn't completed any is huge and critical.

He isn't lost, nor is Naruto as his true and only disagreement before he got to the point he wanted to fight sasuke was when Sasuke said he wanted to kill the beasts and kages.

We might think of Sasuke as trash, but his ideals are more realistic than just playing ninja in a village with everyone laughing knowing everything isn't okay.

 

[tatonation39]

So like I said rep up to you dide cause the thread was good. But I dont rwally understand why naruto and itachi is wrong. Maybe I can see why itachi is wrong. But not naruto case him becoming hokage with the power he has and since people know him and respect him. He can change the hearts of peoplewithout having to kill anyone or start a war with other villages. As for sasukes way of doing things is hes already ralking about killing the gokages. Every village will start a war against sasuke from the start that he kills. His way of peace is wrong cause he still talking about killing anyone who gets im his way. So to be honest that isnt the way for peace. Sasuke isnt respected or loved by anyone so noone will listen to him.but thats my reason to believe naruto isnt wrong. But tthat's my saying

 

[RNITBmsage]

Pure unity among human beings is impossible
it sounds pretty and all but it could never be achieved so hashirama's ideals are irrelevant

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

I think that there are methods of attaining peace that would not require people to sacrifice their freedom.

You sure? Because no matter how you slice it, there's always going to be 'that one guy'.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I am, I have no personal ties to either of these characters...except Itachi however, but none of that matters because logic/truth before fanboy any day.

Minato however might be a different story...hehe.

If you're unbiased, how can you not be 100% correct?