Itachi is physically faster than minato

[naruttebayo]

Hey dude accept the truth. Because of this "he has nothing special and surely his visual perception isnt on par with MS you concluded that Itachi is better than Minato. Minato dodging A is something specialbecause even a sharingan user like Sasuke was not able to.



Is centimeters away from being hit enough distance for you?

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nice find there i never noticed

Your argument has no value in this case until you can show me a scene were killer bee actually psychical touch Itachi , Itachi was faster then. Killer bee being a better taijutsu fighter couldn't help him if his speed lacked of that to hit Itachi yes killer bee was able to catch sasuke and slap him around with that move but show me were he was able to do the same and land a hit on Itachi. Showing a scence of killer bee swing and missing like how many times helps prove my case, So please tell me how a scene of killer bee missing every last hit is suppose to help yours?

one thing you guys are forgetting
- edo tensei of kabuto was meant to mess with peoples brain
- after knowing the truth of itachi naruto was curious to know more directly from him
- bee wasn't using bijuu cloak mode
- like when he fought minato and he simply anticipated there
- it's clear bee wasn't at his best like when fighting sasuke

 

[Itachi Minato]

The denial of Minato's abilities is strong in this thread.

 

[shelke]

I have to interject

FTG >= Kamui

Obito's kamui only trails behind minato's by nanoseconds

Obito's current S/T Technique is superior and more advanced that Minato's FTG -

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That Kunai throw is quite the one-sided perspective -

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- Look at the FTG Kunai at top left of the panel and the others stuck into the same tree Minato teleported to here -

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. He teleported to the top left one. It was already stuck into the bark.

 

[HadouKage]

I have to interject

FTG >= Kamui

Warped sasuke while jinton is active

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& look at how close sasuke's sword was to his neck before obito found it appropriate to save him (Inches from his neck, proving kamui's near instantaneous speed)

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Obito managed to surprise attack naruto (Who can sense evil intentions)

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Obito's kamui only trails behind minato's by nanoseconds

I agree however, Obito has to warp himself (cannon; limited network can't provide scans) and that takes time, Minato does not, disregarding preparations, Minato's is truly instant.

Obito's current S/T Technique is superior and more advanced that Minato's FTG -

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Where are ppl getting superior confused with faster? I acknowledge that it was superior, even Minato said it himself. I said teleportation speed of FTG is greater than Kamui, Kamui isn't instant in the point that it transfers from Point A to Point B

 

[shelke]

I agree however, Obito has to warp himself (cannon; limited network can't provide scans) and that takes time, Minato does not, disregarding preparations, Minato's is truly instant.



Where are ppl getting superior confused with faster? I acknowledge that it was superior, even Minato said it himself. I said teleportation speed of FTG is greater than Kamui, Kamui isn't instant in the point that it transfers from Point A to Point B

What is the main function of S/T teleportation? Creating Ramen, buying knickers, X-ray vision for viewing panties? It's teleportation from point A to Point B. If one technique is advanced, it means it offers better S/T teleportation and better in context would mean faster.

You have nothing to prove your statement, whilst I have. Kakashi has seen both FTG and Obito's Kamui or S/T intangibility and if he claims one is advanced, it means it's a better overall technique. It's just that simple, nothing complicated about it. There are no underlying meanings to it; it's a clear-cut statement.

 

[HadouKage]

What is the main function of S/T teleportation? Creating Ramen, buying knickers, X-ray vision for viewing panties? It's teleportation from point A to Point B. If one technique is advanced, it means it offers better S/T teleportation and better in context would mean faster.

You have nothing to prove your statement, whilst I have. Kakashi has seen both FTG and Obito's Kamui or S/T intangibility and if he claims one is advanced, it means it's a better overall technique. It's just that simple, nothing complicated about it. There are no underlying meanings to it; it's a clear-cut statement.

After reading one of your post, I now know not to take anything you say seriously. Using well structured sentences and context vocabulary does not make your intelligence seem anymore right, in fact your intellect of the manga are quelled by greater debaters on this site :|

So now you're Kishi? Because last I checked the versatility of using Kamui was both for intangibility and teleporting, who are you to dictate it's main priority? Now as I said once before, I'm not comparing Kamui's full technique to FTG, I am well aware that it is an overall superior technique. However, in terms of the speed in teleportation

FTG > Kamui

Provide me with a manga scan (preferably from Narutobase as I am on a limited network) that shows Kamui's teleportation speed to be instantaneous. Until otherwise, your argument is invalid :|

 

[shelke]

^ Neither do I care, nor am I concerned with your petty justifications or debater tier assumptions. Bring a Scan to counter this statement from Kakashi, otherwise, you are just being moronic yet again. If you cannot bring it, then here is a good gesture in old English: don't re-quote, as you yourself should follow your best-laid advise.

Thanking in advance. Funny, because in regards to Intangibility, Obito actually teleports his individual body parts before an attack makes contact with him to the pocket dimension. There you have your superior teleportation.

P.s: Your 'quell' use is incorrect, FYI.

 

[Gakido]

Minato was hyped to be the fastest because if FTG

Him and Itachi are about equal in moving speed. Also, Itachi only kept up with Naruto's non-Shunshin speed.

 

[HadouKage]

^ Neither do I care, nor am I concerned with your petty justifications or debater tier assumptions. Bring a Scan to counter this statement from Kakashi, otherwise, you are just being moronic yet again. If you cannot bring it, then here is a good gesture in old English: don't re-quote, as you yourself should follow your best-laid advise.

Thanking in advance. Funny, because in regards to Intangibility, Obito actually teleports his individual body parts before an attack makes contact with him to the pocket dimension. There you have your superior teleportation.

P.s: Your 'quell' use is incorrect, FYI.

Why would I bring a scan when the feat has already been shown by Kishi himself? You rely on character statements which makes your post invalid. You're the one inferring that Kamui speed is superior so it is your job to contradict the manga (an action I can assure you, you won't be in successful in doing.) When I said Point A to Point B I thought you would be intelligent enough to know that the only ones who can travel in the Kamui dimension are Kakashi and Obito. Obviously, Minato doesn't fit the description. Once again, you're statements are ignorant and adjusted to your predilection of the manga, FTG is > Kamui in terms of teleportation speed from Point A to Point B (in the NV world not Kami dimension). Anyone on the base will tell you the same

And for the record

quell
/kwel/
Verb
Put an end to (a rebellion or other disorder), typically by the use of force: "extra police were called to quell the disturbance".
Subdue or silence (someone): "Connor quelled him with a look".

sub·due transitive verb \səb-ˈdü, -ˈdyü\
sub·duedsub·du·ing

Definition of SUBDUE

1
: to conquer and bring into subjection : vanquish
2
: to bring under control especially by an exertion of the will : curb <subdued my foolish fears>
3
: to bring (land) under cultivation
4
: to reduce the intensity or degree of : tone down

I highlighted the bold in case you couldn't comprehend, want another word? Fine, inadequate

 

[shelke]

Subdue? That would be a Synonym of the word, you jackass, it's not its 'sense' meaning. The term Quell is only used in context for 'suppression' which would make it suitable for use in regards to feelings, fire, rebellion, or a state brought about by feelings. For the love of all things ****ing Holy, just stop. Thesaurus is never aligned with meaning. *A Giant Face Palm* Now apply it on your 'debater' crap and see if it fits.

As for your first part, how did you deduce that the manga has ever conveyed such a message in regards to FTG > Kamui? When the manga has no third person perspective writing, only Narrators? This isn't a ****ing third person perspective novel, where author takes the back seat and says something on his own; it's a manga, which grants it the status of a first person narration from different perspectives.

Do you even know what point A to B is? Even teleportation from real world to Kamui Dimension is Point A to point B, as both exist in different realities. I couldn't care less how many idiots agree with you. Now get out of my face.

 

[HadouKage]

Subdue? That would be a Synonym of the word, you jackass, it's not its 'sense' meaning. The term Quell is only used in context for 'suppression' which would make it suitable for use in regards to feelings, fire, rebellion, or a state brought about by feelings. For the love of all things ****ing Holy, just stop. Thesaurus is never aligned with meaning. *A Giant Face Palm* Now apply it on your 'debater' crap and see if it fits.

As for your first part, how did you deduce that the manga has ever conveyed such a message in regards to FTG > Kamui? When the manga has no third person perspective writing, only Narrators? This isn't a ****ing third person perspective novel, where author takes the back seat and says something on his own; it's a manga, which grants it the status of a first person narration from different perspectives.

Do you even know what point A to B is? Even teleportation from real world to Kamui Dimension is Point A to point B, as both exist in different realities. I couldn't care less how many idiots agree with you. Now get out of my face.

You arrogant ignorance impresses me to newer extents. Now you're arguing with factual definition of a dictionary written by scholars. Don't really know what to say about that

The manga has showed us both FTG and Kamui time of transfer from Point A to Point B. Again, you are interpreting the manga to your liking. So you mean to tell Minato using FTG on Obito was shown in 3rd person? You mean to tell me FTG was shown against A in third person? Obviously it was first person, don't know why you are pointing out the obvious. You don't listen and you don't read I've stated twice already; POINT A TO POINT B WHERE A IS THE SPOT BEFORE AND B IS THE SPOT BEING TRANSPORTED TOO, not the Kamui dimension. Kamui is not instant, or at least not as instant as FTG

FTG: Transfers Minato from Point A to Point B instantly
Kamui: Teleports Obito from Point A, To his dimension, then teleports him out of his dimension to Point B

Regardless of what you say, this is manga fact and is incontrovertible, there is no way to refute this. If you cannot comprehend simple manga logic, then I don't know what to tell you

 

[shelke]

The first comprehensive 'Dictionary of English Language' was not written by 'scholars' but a single man called Samuel Johnson. The first genuine dictionary was complied by Robert Cawdrey. Get your facts straight. And no, Thesaurus only conveys the 'synonymous meanings' and nothing more. It's not me who is in disagreement with any scholar per say, but your thick-head that is making quite the large leap, well beyond its small capacity. Just give up.

Are you an idiot? This has got to be the most idiotic crap I have read here. I am talking about Narration and what have you launched into? Correct your out-of-focus, focus, and pay attention to posts. Seriously, why am I even arguing with you? I am done, continue on with your **** and bull rubbish.

 

[HadouKage]

The first comprehensive 'Dictionary of English Language' was not written by 'scholars' but a single man called Samuel Johnson. The first genuine dictionary was complied by Robert Cawdrey. Get your facts straight. And no, Thesaurus only conveys the 'synonymous meanings' and nothing more. It's not me who is in disagreement with any scholar per say, but your thick-head that is making quite the large leap, well beyond its small capacity. Just give up.

Are you an idiot? This has got to be the most idiotic crap I have read here. I am talking about Narration and what have you launched into? Correct your out-of-focus, focus, and pay attention to posts. Seriously, why am I even arguing with you? I am done, continue on with your **** and bull rubbish.

There are words constantly being put into the dictionary, so he wrote those words too? :|

Go wallow in your own ignorance debating with you grows tiresome, for the millionth time, you can't even support your statements

 

[Itachi Minato]

looks like this is getting out of hand

 

[HadouKage]

looks like this is getting out of hand

No it's quite fine, people are just in denial

 

[Gakido]

Arguing with the dictionary?

 

[NarutoKage2]

What denial? The hell ur talking about?
Minato is just human with no KKG or w/e to make his reaction speed off the charts. He is fast? Yes he is. Faster physically then guy, A, itachi, or obito? Nothing suggest that.
Does he have Sharingan to react better? No
Does he have SM for better perception? No
Does he have raiton reflexes? No
So in essence he cannot react to anything that sharingan, SM or raiton cant react at same distance.
His hyped speed comes from FTG. Stop adding other crap to it.

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Minato is a sensor you flaming idiot, as shown here:

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And you claim he has nothing to improve his perception? Or can't react better?

Butthurt itachi fapboy is butthurt.

 

[Gakido]

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Minato is a sensor you flaming idiot, as shown here:

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And you claim he has nothing to improve his perception? Or can't react better?

Butthurt itachi fapboy is butthurt.

Sensing the Kyuubi isn't that big a deal.

Even Suigetsu and Juugo could. Almost everyone can.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Minato is a sensor you flaming idiot, as shown here:

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And you claim he has nothing to improve his perception? Or can't react better?
Butthurt itachi fapboy is butthurt.

Dont make me laugh.
So any sensor can sense superfast upcoming attacks?? Karin solos then. Did nagato sense totsuka? Did zetsu sense any troublesome attack?
Sensing chakra alone isnt enough of perception to be aware of high speed attacks. Look at the mirror and think of picture u posted moron.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Hey dude accept the truth. Because of this "he has nothing special and surely his visual perception isnt on par with MS you concluded that Itachi is better than Minato. Minato dodging A is something specialbecause even a sharingan user like Sasuke was not able to.

Hmmm

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Maybe the initial distance between the opponents will lead you to light.