Itachi is physically faster than minato

[AlphaScythian]

Please, please lets argue logically, will you?
1- I already proved you that Minato didn't barely dodge A. He dodged him easily. Actually it was A the one who couldn't keep up. Do you want me to bring that paragraph again?

He did barely react to A, and it was all due to distance.

2- Naruto never defeated A. He only dodged a punch. Doesn't mean he is that faster than A. Proof of that, is that before the last punch, we even saw A manhandling both Naruto and Bee

Neither did minato defeat A or Bee.

3- The Naruto who fought Itachi was totally different than the one against A, since the one against Itachi already used more than 20kage bunshins, so shared his chakra in more than 20clones. In order words, that Naruto was far from at his full power. Not even mentioning the fact that Naruto was only trying to talk with Itachi, not defeat him

Thats just bunch of excuses. Naruto knew itachi was controlled and was edo no reason to held off.

 

[Strawberry]

uzmakilands posts sorta convinced me that minato has the beter movement speed, it's okay minato relies on speed we cant take it from him but, no where are his hand seals or able to perform combination of tech's togather better than itachi's. his attack speed is greater then minato's physically as shown during his hit on dsm kabuto mianto till now just hasn't shown enough

 

[HadouKage]

At that time is crucial word here. And im not comparing sasuke, all im saying he obviously reacted to A due to larger distance, in place of sasuke he would be ****ed.Hardly. Obito managed to save sasuke from jinton in 0,00001 of a second lol. Also obito can freely dodge and fight BM naruto that speed wise has surpassed minato
How does it provide relevance? How does 5 get to be more then 2? Maybe cuz logically 2 < 3 < 4 < 5?

1. "At that time" doesn't take away from the fact the A is still the 3rd fastest ninja (cannon) and this again doesn't defeat the thread. Don't know why you mentioned this

2. Again, how is this relevant to the thread. Once again I am using this as a comparison. Ama is said to burn whatever is in sight. Sasuke looked at him, and he dodged an exalted feat nonetheless. Minato dodged A in the state he was against Sasuke again, an impressive feat on Minato's behalf

3. First off that isn't a speed feat. Obito used his S/T jutsu because guarantee you if he didn't both him and Sasuke would have been moleculed. The OP has stripped from Minato for the relevance of this thread. This post is invalid

 

[Udon Of Akatsuki]

A kid with no eyes would beat Itachi

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

He was still pushed back which already shows your statement was wrong and that it's infact the contrary

Fail

Itachi used Body flicker naruto was able to react on time but bee still hadn't barely made a move

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bee came from behind and still couldn't hit with naruto distracting him

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Itachi moved so quick he even got behind be and told him he was behind him and still missed with a blow

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Then warned him again don't look into his eyes

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be couldn't put his hands on him the whole fight your claims are idiotic

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. "At that time" doesn't take away from the fact the A is still the 3rd fastest ninja (cannon) and this again doesn't defeat the thread. Don't know why you mentioned this

So minato, naruto, and then A right? What about obito? or Gai in 7th gate? Not fast?

2. Again, how is this relevant to the thread. Once again I am using this as a comparison. Ama is said to burn whatever is in sight. Sasuke looked at him, and he dodged an exalted feat nonetheless. Minato dodged A in the state he was against Sasuke again, an impressive feat on Minato's behalf

Plz sasuke dodged continuous amaterasu so long ago, not just 1 shot. It is questionable if he dodged or he moved his ass b4 it? At any rate A has augmented reflexes unlike minato.

3. First off that isn't a speed feat. Obito used his S/T jutsu because guarantee you if he didn't both him and Sasuke would have been moleculed. The OP has stripped from Minato for the relevance of this thread. This post is invalid

Can u get more hypocritical? So minato dodging A with S/T is speed feat. Obito getting to the sasuke, warping both himself and sasuke out isnt a ****ing speed feat minato is yet to surpass? To sum it up minato runs away with S/T he is speed king, Obito runs to, and runs from with extra baggage that takes extra time to S/T isnt a speed feat?

 

[Bogard]

Fail

Itachi used Body flicker naruto was able to react on time but bee still hadn't barely made a move

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Simply because Bee wasn't prepared to fight from the start:

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They were discussing before Itachi suddenly attacked them with his fire techniques under Kabuto's control. Bee then explained Naruto what was happening. Unlike Naruto, he isn't a sensor, so obviously when he saw Itachi coming behind the Katon he just absorbed, he was surprised. Being surprised =/= being blitzed

bee came from behind and still couldn't hit with naruto distracting him

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This feat was impressive indeed. I can't deny that. But you must also take into consideration the fact that Bee hasn't shown to be that particularly skilled without other swords style than his own. He lost a taijutsu fight against Sasuke while holding Zabuza's sword for example:

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Yet he dominated him with his own fighting style

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And with his own fighting style again, he was dominating Itachi in close combat

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Itachi moved so quick he even got behind be and told him he was behind him and still missed with a blow

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This is a mistranslation i believe:

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Bee said "i know ok". He noticed Itachi from the start. He wasn't blitz at all. You can even easily notice how calm he was

Then warned him again don't look into his eyes

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True but this has nothing to do with speed. It was a genjutsu feat

be couldn't put his hands on him the whole fight your claims are idiotic

Reason why i hate fanboys like you is that they can't argue normally without insulting others. Just like kids

uzmakilands posts sorta convinced me that minato has the beter movement speed, it's okay minato relies on speed we cant take it from him but, no where are his hand seals or able to perform combination of tech's togather better than itachi's. his attack speed is greater then minato's physically as shown during his hit on dsm kabuto mianto till now just hasn't shown enough

Thanks mate but i think you confuse jutsu speed and body speed here

 

[HadouKage]

So minato, naruto, and then A right? What about obito? or Gai in 7th gate? Not fast?
Plz sasuke dodged continuous amaterasu so long ago, not just 1 shot. It is questionable if he dodged or he moved his ass b4 it? At any rate A has augmented reflexes unlike minato.
Can u get more hypocritical? So minato dodging A with S/T is speed feat. Obito getting to the sasuke, warping both himself and sasuke out isnt a ****ing speed feat minato is yet to surpass? To sum it up minato runs away with S/T he is speed king, Obito runs to, and runs from with extra baggage that takes extra time to S/T isnt a speed feat?

1. According to the manga Minato > NV (in terms of speed). According to A Naruto KM > Minato in speed. According to the manga FTG > NV in terms of speed. Talk to Kishi not me, it's all there in the manga. And btw the thread is base speed. Read the OP

2. Wasn't Itachi near blindness and had a hard time focusing? A poor example as you are comparing a near blind Itachi to a fully visual Sasuke. There is nothing to debate, A can dodge Ama it is proven in the manga therefore it is a valid and a incontrovertible statement however your assumption is not :|

3. This is why I do not enjoy debating with you. Must I get anymore redundant? I just stated in my previous post that the OP has restricted Minato's Raijin tech. First of all, you have no manga proof where Obito was, as it was not stated in the manga his location (he maybe knew Onoki was about to use Jinton because he has the shargian and saw both Onoki and Sasuke's chakara). Not only that, Obito S/T (unlike Minato's) is not instant so in terms of instantaneous speed FTG > Kamui. What you are simply failing to understand is, Minato avoided an incoming A. He did this by throwing the kunai when he was inches (if not centimeters) away from being struck. Bogard is simply trying to convey to you that Minato's was able to instantly perform 4 actions at once.

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. According to the manga Minato > NV (in terms of speed). According to A Naruto KM > Minato in speed. According to the manga FTG > NV in terms of speed. Talk to Kishi not me, it's all there in the manga. And btw the thread is base speed. Read the OP

This statements come from someone's opinion. A would have to fight many others shinobies to know who is truly fastest. Just like Bee said sasuke was 2nd strongest he has fount doesnt mean sasuke is top 3 right?

2. Wasn't Itachi near blindness and had a hard time focusing? A poor example as you are comparing a near blind Itachi to a fully visual Sasuke. There is nothing to debate, A can dodge Ama it is proven in the manga therefore it is a valid and a incontrovertible statement however your assumption is not :|

And yet fully blind itachi was enough to hold susanoo up and defeat orochimaru, near dead and very sick still outlasted sasuke in stamina fight and so on. As said b4 A had seen sasuke blood coming from the eye and was prepared for amaterasu. But as i said he has better reflexes to validate such feat.

3. This is why I do not enjoy debating with you. Must I get anymore redundant? I just stated in my previous post that the OP has restricted Minato's Raijin tech. First of all, you have no manga proof where Obito was, as it was not stated in the manga his location (he maybe knew Onoki was about to use Jinton because he has the shargian and saw both Onoki and Sasuke's chakara). Not only that, Obito S/T (unlike Minato's) is not instant so in terms of instantaneous speed FTG > Kamui. What you are simply failing to understand is, Minato avoided an incoming A. He did this by throwing the kunai when he was inches (if not centimeters) away from being struck. Bogard is simply trying to convey to you that Minato's was able to instantly perform 4 actions at once.

U do not enjoy debating with me cuz ur wrong. FTG is instantaneous speed? Ok. Whats FTG v2 then? Twice instantaneous? FTG is not more then kamui. Dont compare immature kamui obito was using back then to what it is capable now. Kakashi has warped hachibi pretty instantly unlike minato did with kurama. Kamui of obito was compared to speed of light, and obito can adjust speed to his needs.

Minato has left some kunai behind and teleported to another then back when dodging A. Its expected of him nothing more nothing less.
And wasnt itachi capable of making a clone, making water jutsu, drawing 4 shurikens all that at the same time in front of sharingan user w/o even noticing not good physical speed feat????

 

[HadouKage]

This statements come from someone's opinion. A would have to fight many others shinobies to know who is truly fastest. Just like Bee said sasuke was 2nd strongest he has fount doesnt mean sasuke is top 3 right?
And yet fully blind itachi was enough to hold susanoo up and defeat orochimaru, near dead and very sick still outlasted sasuke in stamina fight and so on. As said b4 A had seen sasuke blood coming from the eye and was prepared for amaterasu. But as i said he has better reflexes to validate such feat.
U do not enjoy debating with me cuz ur wrong. FTG is instantaneous speed? Ok. Whats FTG v2 then? Twice instantaneous? FTG is not more then kamui. Dont compare immature kamui obito was using back then to what it is capable now. Kakashi has warped hachibi pretty instantly unlike minato did with kurama. Kamui of obito was compared to speed of light, and obito can adjust speed to his needs.

Minato has left some kunai behind and teleported to another then back when dodging A. Its expected of him nothing more nothing less.
And wasnt itachi capable of making a clone, making water jutsu, drawing 4 shurikens all that at the same time in front of sharingan user w/o even noticing not good physical speed feat????

1. So name a ninja faster than Minato, besides Itachi, A and Naruto. You have manga facts thrown at you and you still deny the inevitable feats of the characters

2. This post is invalid, how does that pertain to focusing on Sasuke? :|

3. No, I don't enjoy debating with because you don't seem use logic in what are posting (this is not the first time.) Yes, FTG is instantaneous, it's been proven in the manga, several times. Obito doesn't not appear in two places instantaneously unlike FTG which does. The fact is FTG > Kamui in terms of being instantaneous, this is a manga fact, never once has Obito performed an instantaneous feat of Kamui that was greater than FTG (in terms of warp speed). A speed > Kunai speed

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. So name a ninja faster than Minato, besides Itachi, A and Naruto. You have manga facts thrown at you and you still deny the inevitable feats of the characters

Physical speed? Gai in 7th gate beats minato for sure. 3rd raikage. SM kabuto, jiraya and maybe naruto. Also i would add obito.
S/T wise obito can rival FTG

2. This post is invalid, how does that pertain to focusing on Sasuke? :|

Amaterasu is cast at focal point. If ur eye cannot focus u cant amaterasu by default.

3. No, I don't enjoy debating with because you don't seem use logic in what are posting (this is not the first time.) Yes, FTG is instantaneous, it's been proven in the manga, several times. Obito doesn't not appear in two places instantaneously unlike FTG which does. The fact is FTG > Kamui in terms of being instantaneous, this is a manga fact, never once has Obito performed an instantaneous feat of Kamui that was greater than FTG (in terms of warp speed). A speed > Kunai speed

U would know lol. Kamui warped biju faster then minato did.
Kamui is what made obito get to sasuke and warp both out of jinton.
This are the manga feats, facts, arguments. Just because there was nobody to narrate or state some shit it doesnt make it any less of a speed feat. And never did manga state FTG to be more then kamui, just the contrary

 

[HadouKage]

Physical speed? Gai in 7th gate beats minato for sure. 3rd raikage. SM kabuto, jiraya and maybe naruto. Also i would add obito.
S/T wise obito can rival FTG
Amaterasu is cast at focal point. If ur eye cannot focus u cant amaterasu by default.
U would know lol. Kamui warped biju faster then minato did.
Kamui is what made obito get to sasuke and warp both out of jinton.
This are the manga feats, facts, arguments. Just because there was nobody to narrate or state some shit it doesnt make it any less of a speed feat. And never did manga state FTG to be more then kamui, just the contrary

I'm going to let you wallow in your own intelligence

 

[Draphsin]

The fact is FTG > Kamui in terms of being instantaneous, this is a manga fact, never once has Obito performed an instantaneous feat of Kamui that was greater than FTG (in terms of warp speed). A speed > Kunai speed

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FTG >= Kamui

Warped sasuke while jinton is active

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& look at how close sasuke's sword was to his neck before obito found it appropriate to save him (Inches from his neck, proving kamui's near instantaneous speed)

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Obito managed to surprise attack naruto (Who can sense evil intentions)

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Obito's kamui only trails behind minato's by nanoseconds

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'm going to let you wallow in your own intelligence

Well thank u.
Ur kinda slow, but later then never right?

 

[ajpn920]

And why dont u take into account that he just had enough distance to barely avoid A?
Cuz as i stated above, sasuke couldnt track A with his sharingan at close range, the only valid explanation for minato react in time is enough distance as he has nothing special and surely his visual perception isnt on par with MS.
Or u gonna defy bold part?
How about KCM naruto that has beaten A in speed and itachi could go head to head with his taijutsu? A feat minato was never capable off.

Hey dude accept the truth. Because of this "he has nothing special and surely his visual perception isnt on par with MS you concluded that Itachi is better than Minato. Minato dodging A is something specialbecause even a sharingan user like Sasuke was not able to.

the only valid explanation for minato react in time is enough distance

Is centimeters away from being hit enough distance for you?

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After seeing that Minato was able to react to A's speed cm away from getting hit, why was a sharingan user like Sasuke was not able to react when the distance is even greater? Look at where Sasuke is facing

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Raikage appearing at Sasuke's back after avoiding Amaterasu.

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[uchihamad]

True Itachi's physical speed is greater than Minato's. Minato always depend on flying thunder god technique.

 

[Sherlock.]

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Minato is faster even base speed wise.... =D =D

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Simply because Bee wasn't prepared to fight from the start:

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They were discussing before Itachi suddenly attacked them with his fire techniques under Kabuto's control. Bee then explained Naruto what was happening. Unlike Naruto, he isn't a sensor, so obviously when he saw Itachi coming behind the Katon he just absorbed, he was surprised. Being surprised =/= being blitzed


This feat was impressive indeed. I can't deny that. But you must also take into consideration the fact that Bee hasn't shown to be that particularly skilled without other swords style than his own. He lost a taijutsu fight against Sasuke while holding Zabuza's sword for example:

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Yet he dominated him with his own fighting style

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And with his own fighting style again, he was dominating Itachi in close combat

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This is a mistranslation i believe:

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Bee said "i know ok". He noticed Itachi from the start. He wasn't blitz at all. You can even easily notice how calm he was


True but this has nothing to do with speed. It was a genjutsu feat

Reason why i hate fanboys like you is that they can't argue normally without insulting others. Just like kids

Thanks mate but i think you confuse jutsu speed and body speed here

Your argument has no value in this case until you can show me a scene were killer bee actually psychical touch Itachi , Itachi was faster then. Killer bee being a better taijutsu fighter couldn't help him if his speed lacked of that to hit Itachi yes killer bee was able to catch sasuke and slap him around with that move but show me were he was able to do the same and land a hit on Itachi. Showing a scence of killer bee swing and missing like how many times helps prove my case, So please tell me how a scene of killer bee missing every last hit is suppose to help yours?

 

[Strawberry]

Your argument has no value in this case until you can show me a scene were killer bee actually psychical touch Itachi , Itachi was faster then. Killer bee being a better taijutsu fighter couldn't help him if his speed lacked of that to hit Itachi yes killer bee was able to catch sasuke and slap him around with that move but show me were he was able to do the same and land a hit on Itachi. Showing a scence of killer bee swing and missing like how many times helps prove my case, So please tell me how a scene of killer bee missing every last hit is suppose to help yours?

agreed swiftness in battle abilities itachi does have an edge on bee

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What are we arguing here? Full body movement speed or handseal speed? Lol minato wins both his body flicker is faster than itachi's and rasengan doesn't use seals.

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