Itachi is a hypocrite

[Allimzbbe]

He could have kept appearances in other ways, also Kakashi could have NEVER captured Itachi. In fact Kakashi was already in defensive mode, along with the other jounins [who had closed their eyes]. Hell, he could have susanoed.

But Itachi's preferred attack has always been Tsukiyomi torture [successfully tortured Sasuke twice, he attempted it third time but Sasuke countered it]. This approach suggests some sort of mental sickness to me. Itachi could use some psychoanalytical psychotherapy.



In other words, you agree with me that Itachi is good only inside a fiction book, but in the real world, you would consider him a maniac? Welcome to my club!

no but would it be better to kill his brother and Kakashi-- it was one of the only options available that could also make him look bad ass evil

 

[Anorien16]

He could have kept appearances in other ways, also Kakashi could have NEVER captured Itachi. In fact Kakashi was already in defensive mode, along with the other jounins [who had closed their eyes]. Hell, he could have susanoed.

What other ways? Like Sealing Kakashi with Tokusa blade, buring him with Amaterasu, use real shurikens on him.

But Itachi's preferred attack has always been Tsukiyomi torture [successfully tortured Sasuke twice, he attempted it third time but Sasuke countered it]. This approach suggests some sort of mental sickness to me. Itachi could use some psychoanalytical psychotherapy.

The Tsukiomy was the perfect weapon for maintaing his cover as a bad guy and do no real lasting damage. Or explain some way that wld reveal Itachi's full power to Sasuke as reminder how strong he has to get and yet leave him alive.

In other words, you agree with me that Itachi is good only inside a fiction book, but in the real world, you would consider him a maniac? Welcome to my club!

Well if Genjutsu was in real world, it wld be a great punishment to rapists and the like.

 

[svladcjelli42]

He could have kept appearances in other ways, also Kakashi could have NEVER captured Itachi. In fact Kakashi was already in defensive mode, along with the other jounins [who had closed their eyes]. Hell, he could have susanoed.

But Itachi's preferred attack has always been Tsukiyomi torture [successfully tortured Sasuke twice, he attempted it third time but Sasuke countered it]. This approach suggests some sort of mental sickness to me. Itachi could use some psychoanalytical psychotherapy.



In other words, you agree with me that Itachi is good only inside a fiction book, but in the real world, you would consider him a maniac? Welcome to my club!

Care to respond to the content of my post, now that you've seized a purely semantic debate victory? Let me clarify: if, in the real world, someone was in the exact situation Itachi was in, then torturing Kakashi would be justified, unless you can think of another way out of the situation that meets those three conditions. He could have used susanoo? Then what, not attack? Cover blown, in Akatsuki and in Konoha.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Hater thread... Itachi had to pretend to be evil while he was in Akatsuki...Imagine this: -Kisame, lets just go -No, i want to kill all of them.- But I'm a good boy, I just joined Akatsuki to spy on them and monitor your activity. -You bastaaard!!

 

[randomuno]

Care to respond to the content of my post, now that you've seized a purely semantic debate victory? Let me clarify: if, in the real world, someone was in the exact situation Itachi was in, then torturing Kakashi would be justified, unless you can think of another way out of the situation that meets those three conditions.

First of all, let me start by saying that you are not a fanboy. You are arguing logically. Coming to my counter-arguments:

I am saying is that
a) I am not convinced that Kakashi could not have been disabled by Itachi without Tsukiyomi. Itachi >>>>>> Kakashi. He clearly used MS to show off his powers [and win some fan boys]
b) I am not convinced that a person without mental abnormalities can come up with the idea of stabbing someone for 72 hours. You have to understand this. The power of Tsukiyomi is to control space and time. Someone like Itachi has greater control than someone like Sasuke. Once a person is in Tsukiyomi, one need not be tortured.

For instance, Itachi could have trapped Kakashi in Tsukiyomi for 10 seconds, and then landed a blow on his neck or some other part, causing him to faint. There was no need of torturing.

Now, since you attempted to argue logically, I will tell you why I started this thread:

1) Kishimoto is a highly intelligent and creative person, but the story: Naruto is not without loopholes. Although Kishi intended Itachi to be a "great human being", a closer look at Itachi' persona reveals that he has issues.
2) I don't like the fact that so many people love Itachi, despite the fact that he committed so many murders. You can find ways to justify slaughter, just as one can justify actions of Osama Bin Laden, or the US government's policy of looking the other side when drones kill so many civilians in Pakistan everyday.

I never for a second doubt that Itachi as a character in Naruto was meant to be good. That's the way Kishi intended it. Nonetheless, Itachi is a highly dislikable and disgusting fellow. Long story short, Kishi is merely presenting the plot in a way to look Itachi's actions good. The same plot presented from another point of view, will make Itachi's action look horrible.

 

[Anorien16]

First of all, let me start by saying that you are not a fanboy. You are arguing logically. Now, coming to my counter-arguments:

I am saying is that
a) I am not convinced that Kakashi could not have been disabled by Itachi without Tsukiyomi. Itachi >>>>>> Kakashi. He clearly used MS to show off his powers [and win some fan boys]
b) I am not convinced that a person without mental abnormalities can come up with the idea of stabbing someone for 72 hours. You have to understand this. The power of Tsukiyomi is to control space and time. Someone like Itachi has greater control than someone like Sasuke. Once a person is in Tsukiyomi, one need not be tortured.

For instance, Itachi could have trapped Kakashi in Tsukiyomi for 10 seconds, and then landed a blow on his neck or some other part, causing him to faint. There was no need of torturing.

Now, since you attempted to argue logically, I will tell you why I started this thread:

1) Kishimoto is a highly intelligent and creative person, but the story: Naruto is not without loopholes. Although Kishi intended Itachi to be a "great human being", a closer look at Itachi' persona reveals that he has issues.
2) I don't like the fact that so many people love Itachi, despite the fact that he committed so many murders. You can find ways to justify slaughter, just as one can justify actions of Osama Bin Laden, or the US government's policy of looking the other side when drones kill so many civilians in Pakistan everyday.

I never for a second doubt that Itachi as a character in Naruto was meant to be good. That's the way Kishi intended it. Nonetheless, Itachi is a highly dislikable and disgusting fellow.

And If Itachi went soft it wld create suspicion and plus Asuma and Kurenai cld take the advantage while he was busy slapping Kakashi's neck and if Kisame joined in he wld have surely killed them.
So Itachi had disadvantages:
1. Had to act like a Akatsuki.
2. Do no lasting damage to Konoha.
3. Keep Kisame in control.
4. Save himself from three Jonin attacks simultaneously. Plus Tsukiomy takes a lot of chakra and stresses his eyes. (Normal Genjutsu wont work on Kakashi)

If u are saying that Itachi had to use only his non MS powers, he wld have found it difficult to fight Kakashi who knew 1000 different jutsu.

Also dont want to see Al quida, Mafia, Triad etc neutralized?
As for Pakistan they broke ceasefire treaty with India a few years a go and still fires at border posts and yet is not agreeing to go on a meeting on that. Also did u forget that in Pakistan there was a millitant attack on the Sri Lankan players in a cricket match? Also Pakistan attacked its non muslim counter-parts and killed their governor or something who spoke for christians. Not to count the fact that the Shia and Sunni population is regularly trying blow each other up. Plus Osama was in Pakistan only. In nut shell, Pakistan is a war zone (and drones usually dont fire at cities) and it is not a great or relevant example for this comparison.

As for Uchiha Massacre justification, there is none: there are two difficult choices and Itachi chose the lesser evil.

I really can't believe the level of naivety with which some people are approaching this.

Itachi options include:

1. Join the rebellion. Danzo and most people see this a Itachi dying, but in reality this means murdering innocent Konoha ninja. People are horrified that he killed his own mother and father. OK: How is killing other people's mothers and fathers any better? Especially when these are 100% innocent, and his own would be guilty of instigating the violence?

And afterwards, the village of Konoha is weakened and the fourth ninja world war breaks out. Great, tons of people die, many times more than just the Uchiha clan. Parents will lose their children, children will lose their parents. How is it right that so many more families have to be destroyed just so Itachi doesn't have to kill his own?

2. Destroy his own clan before they can attack. No innocent Konoha ninja die. No world war. And Sasuke lives. The ones who die are for the most part the guilty party.

You cannot seriously claim that the first option is better than the second. Itachi's decision was heroic in the highest degree. That kind of sacrifice is harder to make by far than even giving up one's own life.

PS Get your facts right first Itachi's Tsukiomy controls the space time length in the genjutsu such that one second in the real world may seem like 3 days inside the genjutsu world.

 

[randomuno]

PS Get your facts right first Itachi's Tsukiomy controls the space time length in the genjutsu such that one second in the real world may seem like 3 days inside the genjutsu world.

So Itachi can disable Kakashi for one second, which is MORE than enough to land a blow on Kakashi and knock him out. So why did he put Kakashi through that torture, 72 hours of stabbing, if he did not enjoy torturing him?