But he WAS with Samehada so really arguments like that are worthless to hide behind. Zabuza would've beaten Kakashi without his stupid Sharingan, Naruto would've died so many times without the stupid Kyuubi so don't go around and bullsh*t me when you can't come up with proper reasons why A & B would win without resorting to some petty childs game.
are you ****ing kidding me, you don't get it right that Kakashi has his sharingan and uses it in a battle is something else then hey I got this sword and I need to fight a guy named Killer Bee, let's send a clone to it with me sealed in the sword.
Everything was planned up, he would never plan to seal a part of him in Sameheda in a fight because it would refuse to fight with Kisame.
Well, Itachi won't go down easy.....don't compare the Sasuke - Raikage fight. Sasuke had neither tsukiyomi, nor did his susanoo have yata's mirror and the Totsuka blade. A and B would likely pawn Kisame, but Itachi i'm not so sure. It probably depends on whether double lariat and the raiger bomb are enough to beat the fully developed form of the spiritual susanoo.....see trouble is, the one time Itachi's susanoo is shown, it was invincible but A we all know can be very tough so this is a close one.
cyborg is right, although Raikage was doing alright against Sasuke ( he lost an arm and would at least have lost a leg), he would never have been able to hurt Itachi's Susanoo. Itachi had the Yata mirror and the Totsuka sword, the Yata mirror made his Susanoo literally invulnerable, as long he had Susanoo up he was untouchable and if anyone got to near him they would be sealed forever. Also any break in his running and Itachi would have A in Tsukuyomi or some other genjutsu and we know he can't break out of Tsukuyomi.
On to Kisame, Bee and Kisame's fight this time would be different but I would still have to give it to Kisame as long as he had Samehada. Their lariats would be ineffective against him due to their chakra being sucked out as they got near and any lightning enhanced swords would be the same. Together Itachi and Kisame are unbeatable, in fact alone they are two of the top ninjas ever. The only way I see Kisame losing is if he loses Samehada again. Even then Itachi would have dealt with A by then and could help fight against Bee.
If Itachi fought Bee then it would be easier for him because Bee doesn't move around at high speeds as often as A does, giving Itachi a chance to seal him more easily. And if Kisame fought A then it is game over for A because without his lightning enhanced moves he has nothing, or at least has shown us nothing but nintaijutsu. In a kisame vs. A fight, A's raiton armor would be useless once he got close to Samehada, it would suck out his chakra and it can move on its own. Once his raiton armor is gone it would just be the sword against his flesh and that is a battle A's skin cannot win.
If sasuke can beat BEE and pretty much beat Raikage, then Itachi most definitely can amd if a kisame clone with only a percentage of the chakra can pretty much beat Bee: then logically speaking itachi and kisame would win!! just saying lol
Ha ! What are you saying man. Sasuke vs Bee was a one way rape. Sasuke was killed twice in that battle brought back by Juugo and Karin. Then his team was taken out and he used amaterasu. Bee just walked away unharmed.
In the fight between Raikage and Sasuke. Only thing Sasuke was able to do is pierce his Raiton armor with chidori. Itachi doesn't have Raiton techs of that lvl. Second of all the raikage was able to crack susano'o and dodge amaterasu.
It was said Itachi couldn't control it to that extent.
I believe the brothers from the cloud would take out Kisame fast with their speed. And then have to find a solution to beat Itachi's Yata mirror. Bit when his eyetechs are pretty much useless.. What is left of him ?
Ha ! What are you saying man. Sasuke vs Bee was a one way rape. Sasuke was killed twice in that battle brought back by Juugo and Karin. Then his team was taken out and he used amaterasu. Bee just walked away unharmed.
In the fight between Raikage and Sasuke. Only thing Sasuke was able to do is pierce his Raiton armor with chidori. Itachi doesn't have Raiton techs of that lvl. Second of all the raikage was able to crack susano'o and dodge amaterasu.
It was said Itachi couldn't control it to that extent.
I believe the brothers from the cloud would take out Kisame fast with their speed. And then have to find a solution to beat Itachi's Yata mirror. Bit when his eyetechs are pretty much useless.. What is left of him ?
There is no direct solution to Yata's mirror per se, the best you can do is either try to expose Susanoo, force him out of chakra, or something along those lines, etc. Itachi's eye techniques are far from useless, not to mention he's not limited to them.
Comparing his MS to Sasuke's is a really poor comparison despite being deceptively similar on he surface. Despite sharing the same MS jutsu their proficiency in each of the three doujutsu and the spiritual items make Itachi's MS Tsukiyomi (control of time is huge) and Susanoo on a whole separate level than Sasuke's, while Sasuke has shown better proficiency with Ameratsu including his Enton style.
Ha ! What are you saying man. Sasuke vs Bee was a one way rape. Sasuke was killed twice in that battle brought back by Juugo and Karin. Then his team was taken out and he used amaterasu. Bee just walked away unharmed.
In the fight between Raikage and Sasuke. Only thing Sasuke was able to do is pierce his Raiton armor with chidori. Itachi doesn't have Raiton techs of that lvl. Second of all the raikage was able to crack susano'o and dodge amaterasu.
It was said Itachi couldn't control it to that extent.
I believe the brothers from the cloud would take out Kisame fast with their speed. And then have to find a solution to beat Itachi's Yata mirror. Bit when his eyetechs are pretty much useless.. What is left of him ?
Ha ! What are you saying man. Sasuke vs Bee was a one way rape. Sasuke was killed twice in that battle brought back by Juugo and Karin. Then his team was taken out and he used amaterasu. Bee just walked away unharmed.
In the fight between Raikage and Sasuke. Only thing Sasuke was able to do is pierce his Raiton armor with chidori. Itachi doesn't have Raiton techs of that lvl. Second of all the raikage was able to crack susano'o and dodge amaterasu.
It was said Itachi couldn't control it to that extent.
I believe the brothers from the cloud would take out Kisame fast with their speed. And then have to find a solution to beat Itachi's Yata mirror. Bit when his eyetechs are pretty much useless.. What is left of him ?
You are completely discounting the fact that Samehada can suck out chakra, in the Kisame vs. Bee battle we saw that Samehada can suck out chakra when it's not even touching the person. Killer Bee got close to Kisame and it sucked out his chakra, same when he tried to use raiton enhanced swords. As long as Kisame had Samehada their Lariat would be almost useless except to knock him down. Also Samehada can move on its own, as shown when Kisame didn't react to block Bee but Samehada moved to protect him from a sword. So if they tried the Lariat or some other taijutsu they would be expecting that their lightning would protect them but in reality they would just be met with a sword to bare skin.
As for Itachi, the only solution they have to the Yata mirror is to wait until he runs out of chakra. If they got close or if Itachi managed to connect with the Totsuka sword then they are finished. Another mode of attack is if either A or Bee stops moving and looks directly at Itachi then they would be trapped in genjutsu. A probably wouldn't be able to get out of regular genjutsu because Itachi is a master at it; as for Bee Itachi said that only an Uchiha who shares his blood (brother, sister, father, etc.) can break out of Tsukuyomi. Itachi could just sit back and have Susanoo swing the Totsuka sword while firing off Amaterasu and waiting to capture them in Tsukuyomi or some other genjutsu. Also Itachi is not restricted to only MS techniques, it is just that they are some of the strongest techniques in the Naruto universe.
Also just as a side note does anyone else think that Itachi could also protect Kisame with Susanoo? For instance if they stood side by side would he be protected? Susanoo is pretty large, plus it would be cool because then Kisame would just give Itachi chakra via Samehada and they could sit their all day. This is just a crazy idea though, let me know what you think.
In my opinion I am sure that if Kisame tricked KIller Bee he can beat him as well. In addition remember Sasuke's Amaterasu almost killed Hachibi and injured Raikaghe pretty much. Itachi can use Susanoo and he would defently win. More over Itachi' inteligence exceeds Raikaghe or Killer Bee's .
It was a joke, and I'm glad you thought as much. I was gonna delete the post, but then I was too tired. Sorry, for the distraction...
Note "trivial" cases in math, such as linear algebra just means setting all the coefficients (ex. A, B) to zero, so you always get a solution. Because it's so easy, it's called trivial. It sounds circular, but we exclude it because it's so ridiculously easy.
@DigitalMonster Good Point about the water dome
(reps) No need to thank what's earned.
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That's going to separate Itachi too though wouldn't it? However, they've been partners for a while that actually got along, so I wonder if they already have a good understanding of each others powers, and would know what to do in this case. I don't think Itachi would fair well within it, but if Kisame can keep either the Raikage or Bee inside, splitting the great duo, Itachi is going to fair well with whoever's left outside, ideally A.
Although, I would think that the water dome would affect a Raiton user poorly no? It's been used against Sasuke for example at the Kage summit by a body guard. Also, Suigetsu was supposedly a bad matchup for Bee.
A, who can shake off the Ameratsu if it's shot like a bullet, but Itachi can burn the ground making the Raikage have to take paths to get to him, and perhaps even line him up for a Tsukiyomi, albeit he doesn't need Ameratsu to land that. Itachi's Tsukiyomi will kill because of his control of time. A second in that genjutsu can be days, meanwhile you're vulnerable and spirit broken. It'd be interesting if jamming all A's chakra into his raiton armor shroud could break Tsukiyomi, but I doubt it. I mention it for consideration in the event that someone changes my mind.
Then there's Susanoo, which is threatened by chakra depletion and indirect means as I indicated before. Thus Bee is potentially a greater threat if Yata's mirror can deflect anything but still drains more chakra for greater attacks like the TBB. If not, Bee and A are in trouble. I'm not sure.
Samehada can absorb ninjutsu from Bee from a distance as well as up close (Itachi Namikaze's post pg. 2, par. 1, and when Kisame went to "capture" Bee in the manga).
So far, a nice civilized, versus post, what's going on?
A and B would win. I don't really want to go in to how based from Ive seen here.
But something occured to me,
ok they all in the water drome then raikage turns on the electricty armor and bam itachi and kisame cop it hard. Where bee and A would survie due to their lightning abiltities.
Did you guys ever think Itachi could put Samehada in a genjutsu? I don't know for sure, but I don't see why not.....
Itachi and Kisame take this one easily.
Itachi is HEALTHY and has Susano'o, and also Amaterasu is great against Bee or the full Eight tails......and A is so dumb he'd fall for genjutsu of Itachi's level. A has no mental power....
I think raikage can take on Kisame and killer bee can maybe beat Itachi !
Itachi is stronger than Sasuke so it will be harder for killer bee to beat him. And by the way sasuke didn"t beat B , B did it to get away from his bro
People assume Sasuke beat B for some reason... Itachi is stronger than Sasuke, but Sasuke got owned by B a few times and he was lucky that his team revived him. Also B has more chakra than Itachi and Kisame combined (most likely, since he can use 8tails' chakra). The only way Itachi can win is if he traps A or B in a genjutsu and eliminates one of them really early. Otherwise, A would be too fast for amaterasu or susanoo and has enough chakra to outlast Itachi. Bee is insanely strong and can transform into a beast + use TBB. Kisame is outmatched by any of them (he didn't win properly against B simply because he didn't attack him and went for his friend. also B didn't use too much chakra because he didn't want to be found by his brother -> hence no TBB). Itachi can hide behind susano'o indeed, but for how long? If genjutsu fails against B, then Itachi's got a hard fight ahead of him. There's so many other reasons, but for now I'll stick to those.
On a side note: I defended Itachi on these forums probably more than anyone else, but I cannot take his side on this one. Itachi + Jirayia vs A and B would be a much better match and I would be on his side, but not now.
Itachi's genjutsu wouldn't work on either of them, but Kisame would be a easy kill. Itachi's susasono is dangerous, we saw how Raikage lost his arm and almost his leg to it. Amateratsu if also dangerous, but if Itachi uses both of those techniques he won't have much chakra left, so if Bee and A do survive all those attacks they would end up winning.
