Itachi/Hashirama connection.

[Romy9]

I was always impressed by the fact that Itachi inherited Hashirama's Will of Fire and the overall concept of empathy for the fellow villagers. To me, it proved that Indra and Ashura weren't the definite characterizations their descendants would take. It wasn't set in stone. It was just by a chance that Indra and Ashura took the paths they took. It could've been vice versa.

I just wish that Kishimoto depicted a Senju who inherited Indra's will and that way prove that genes can play tricks. In that regard, I'd say Sasuke inherited a little bit of both since he was susceptible to Naruto's talk no jutsu in the end. It's as if Hagoromo's sons were literally split into good and evil which later by generations watered down either way. Sometimes, Ashura's will would reach an Uchiha and Indra's will would reach a Senjuu.

Your thoughts on this?

 

[Obsidian]

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[Akame]

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[Ken Kaneki]

Sasuke Tnjd himself

OT: Then the rivalry would have died. If Uchiha inherited Ashura's will, he would cooperate with people while Seju Indra will go solo. Since people would support Uchiha then, the Uchiha will become Hokage. This word have removed the discontent from Uchiha hearts. However this could not have happened for plot reasons. Naruto had to end the discontent and be the saviour. Hence this was not possible before Naruto brought peace. Going forward if it happens, it would be good

 

[Gagster]

No. Uchiha's bad, Senju good.

 

[Romy9]

Sasuke Tnjd himself

OT: Then the rivalry would have died. If Uchiha inherited Ashura's will, he would cooperate with people while Seju Indra will go solo. Since people would support Uchiha then, the Uchiha will become Hokage. This word have removed the discontent from Uchiha hearts. However this cannot have happened for plot reasons. Naruto had to end the discontent and saviour. Hence this was not possible before Naruto brought peace. Going forward if it happens, it would be good

No, it wouldn't because if an Uchiha inherited Ashura's will, then for the situation to stay equal, a Senju would inherit Indra's will. In the normal scenario, if Obito stayed in the village, he would have likely become a Hokage.

No. Uchiha's bad, Senju good.

That can't be correct since Itachi, Shisui and Kagami were potentially more "good" than a certain Senju.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Shisui looks a lot like Ashura. And it wasn't necessarily about Senju and Uchiha. It was arrogance and humility, talent and incompetence, etc.

 

[JorgeTown]

I think the Brothers fued might of ended because Sasuke had a girl. Idk though

 

[Brünhild]

True, Itachi and Shisui are Uchihas that inherited the Will of Fire. Just some of them inherited Indra's emoness, such as the emo dorito, for example.

 

[Romy9]

Shisui looks a lot like Ashura. And it wasn't necessarily about Senju and Uchiha. It was arrogance and humility, talent and incompetence, etc.

Yeah, it's just that the story is built on the premise of the two sides of a coin. And the fact of the good in evil which resides in each side. But in reality, both clans can be either or both. Kishimoto wasn't consistent with that (he didn't show a Senju with flaws).

True, Itachi and Shisui are Uchihas that inherited the Will of Fire. Just some of them inherited Indra's emoness, such as the emo dorito, for example.

Obito is a peculiar case. Since he wanted to become a Hokage, I'd say he inherited the Will of Fire and the "Uchiha's curse". He could go either way. it's just that Madara took the advantage of his bad side before anyone else couldtake advantage of his good side.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Yeah, it's just that the story is built on the premise of the two sides of a coin. And the fact of the good in evil which resides in each side. But in reality, both clans can be either or both. Kishimoto wasn't consistent with that (he didn't show a Senju with flaws).

I think the point was that no one is actually evil. Since the Senju always valued togetherness and acceptance of their own shortcomings, they always had people around them to ease their pain. However, the 'lone wolf' Uchihas who felt great pain ended up alone, and their solitude drove them toward insanity. In the end, however, they all lamented (except Izuna, and I guess we don't know for sure about Indra).

 

[Romy9]

I think the point was that no one is actually evil. Since the Senju always valued togetherness and acceptance of their own shortcomings, they always had people around them to ease their pain. However, the 'lone wolf' Uchihas who felt great pain ended up alone, and their solitude drove them toward insanity. In the end, however, they all lamented (except Izuna, and I guess we don't know for sure about Indra).

Agreed. In reality, the Uchiha's portrayal is actually very much like a real life situation. If a girlfriend whom you loved dumped you, you'd start to feel great grief and hate. In that regard, I'd say the Senju were in greater control of their emotions. There were just some Uchihas who could control it tot he point of not crossing over to the dark side.

 

[Gagster]

No, it wouldn't because if an Uchiha inherited Ashura's will, then for the situation to stay equal, a Senju would inherit Indra's will. In the normal scenario, if Obito stayed in the village, he would have likely become a Hokage.



That can't be correct since Itachi, Shisui and Kagami were potentially more "good" than a certain Senju.

What are you talking about?

 

[Romy9]

What are you talking about?

Itachi, Shisui and Kagami inherited the will of fire. They were the citizens of Konoha who literally sacrificed their life so Konoha could be safe. What don't you understand?

 

[Gagster]

Itachi, Shisui and Kagami inherited the will of fire. They were the citizens of Konoha who literally sacrificed their life so Konoha could be safe. What don't you understand?

And what senju where they more "good" than?

 

[V h o]

Got to take in consideration that the clans mainly fought because they fought in the past, it was mainly due to because they always, if not only knew this mindset as mortal enemies. That being said, I'm sure some senju believed might was the way to peace, instead of love. The will of fire was based around Ashura's belief of peace by love however that most likely became construed with time. I'm not sure if the curse of hatred referred directly to Indra or maybe the Uchiha's lose of love, which lead to hatred. Furthermore the war between the two mainly ended because the people (Uchiha and senju) were tired of fighting each other over something they didn't even know the reason for.

 

[Romy9]

And what senju where they more "good" than?

They were a leading example of a Shinobi who loves their village. The context was to show their bond with the village, not actually compare the level of loving the village between them and Senju.

Got to take in consideration that the clans mainly fought because they fought in the past, it was mainly due to because they always, if not only knew this mindset as mortal enemies. That being said, I'm sure some senju believed might was the way to peace, instead of love. The will of fire was based around Ashura's belief of peace by love however that most likely became construed with time. I'm not sure if the curse of hatred referred directly to Indra or maybe the Uchiha's lose of love, which lead to hatred. Furthermore the war between the two mainly ended because the people (Uchiha and senju) were tired of fighting each other over something they didn't even know the reason for.

Agreed. I think Indra waged the war because of jealousy or somethign similar, which later sprouted into hate. Not because he lost a loved one. As you said, even though they were mortal enemies, both sides surely had clan members who sympathized with their enemy which is the point I was trying to make.

 

[Vapids Will]

And what senju where they more "good" than?

Nazirama (tobirama)

 

[Brünhild]

Yeah, it's just that the story is built on the premise of the two sides of a coin. And the fact of the good in evil which resides in each side. But in reality, both clans can be either or both. Kishimoto wasn't consistent with that (he didn't show a Senju with flaws).



Obito is a peculiar case. Since he wanted to become a Hokage, I'd say he inherited the Will of Fire and the "Uchiha's curse". He could go either way. it's just that Madara took the advantage of his bad side before anyone else couldtake advantage of his good side.

Yeah, Obito had the Will of Fire when he was younger, but a dead vagina changed his mind. Too bad.

 

[Bolt Rules]

Itachi was just so wise and logical to discern the true nature of the shinobi world and realise before anyone else that Hashirama's Will of fire was the right way to perpetuate peace irregardless of the harsh guilt he himself had to bear.