Itachi has Enton and Kagutsuchi

[Punk Hazard]

I stopped at "All right I'ma.."

[video=youtube;SuDqNLgVHv8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDqNLgVHv8[/video]

 

[Xēnovia.]

True. He shown some control with ama when he was dragging the flame while he was fighting his little brother. Although, it's very weak control at best unlike his younger brother however. This also applies with the tsukuyomi deal as well, but reserved. EG. Itachi excels at, but Sasuke has a weak version of it.​

 

[Mad Daz]

Actually if I remember correctly, Sasuke used his Right eye to put out the flams on Karin, the same eye Shee stated was used to manipulate his Enton ability.



I'm pretty sure that was a translation error. Wasn't the VIZ saying he only said Black Flames, not Kagutsuchi specifically? I don't remember.

I dont consider him using his right eye one time to put the flames out to confirm it to be kagutsuchi. Kagutsuchi is shape manipulation, which Sasuke obviously has, however Itachi hasnt shown it in any form.

I believe Ameratsu and Enton to be 2 separate MS abilities. Its the only logical conclusion, as sasuke hasnt shown tsukuyomi but still has susanoo.

 

[Umari Senju]

Haters coming XD

P.S agreed

why would there be haters? This is just the OP's clarification on a jutsu/kekkei genkai that is already inherent to the Uchiha bloodline to begin with anyway. Nothing really to hate on as he is just examining the jutsu's release and distinction between Enton Kagutsuchi....

...Unless you mean Itachi fans hating that Sasuke can do something better than he can. You know how irate they get when anyone says someone can do anything better than Itachi XD

 

[TrollKing]

True. He shown some control with ama when he was dragging the flame while he was fighting his little brother. Although, it's very weak control at best unlike his younger brother however. This also applies with the tsukuyomi deal as well, but reserved. EG. Itachi excels at, but Sasuke has a weak version of it.​

It actually appears he was constantly creating more ama as he changed his focus than to "move" his ama

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

I read it all

And no Itachi does not have Enton OR Kagatsuchi

 

[Punk Hazard]

I read it all

And no Itachi does not have Enton OR Kagatsuchi

I'm so sorry.

 

[Koro]

what's next? Itachi's yata mirror deflects ultimate nullifier?

Nothing in the NV can stop the Ultimate Nullifier...

OT: Itachi doesn't have Enton or Kagutsuchi, based on manga facts.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nothing in the NV can stop the Ultimate Nullifier...

OT: Itachi doesn't have Enton or Kagutsuchi, based on manga facts.

Everything I presented is facts from the manga. Maybe if you were competent enough to read the thread, you'd see that.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Itachi can't shape the flames which is what Enton:Kagutsuchi has been shown to do.He does'nt have it.

 

[Koro]

Everything I presented is facts from the manga. Maybe if you were competent enough to read the thread, you'd see that.

I read the thread; none of the points you raised were manga facts in the slightest, but rather speculation. Itachi doesn't have Enton or Kagutsuchi. No need to get rustled because some people aren't taking your speculative fanfic seriously.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Itachi can't shape the flames which is what Enton:Kagutsuchi has been shown to do.He does'nt have it.

He has a weaker aspect of it than Sasuke. It ties into how Itachi is proficient enough to control perception of time in Tsukiyomi, but Sasuke can't.

I read the thread; none of the points you raised were manga facts in the slightest, but rather speculation. Itachi doesn't have Enton or Kagutsuchi. No need to get rustled because some people aren't taking your speculative fanfic seriously.

Is it not manga fact that putting out Amaterasu is part of Kagtuschi?(Make sure you consider how Sasuke casts Ama with his LEFT, but manipulates AND extinguishes with his RIGHT.)

Is it not manga fact that Itachi put out the black flames?

 

[-Spoiler-]

I read the thread; none of the points you raised were manga facts in the slightest, but rather speculation. Itachi doesn't have Enton or Kagutsuchi. No need to get rustled because some people aren't taking your speculative fanfic seriously.

Then explain how he's able to put out the inextinguishable flames?

 

[Koro]

Is it not manga fact that putting out Amaterasu is part of Kagtuschi?(Make sure you consider how Sasuke casts Ama with his LEFT, put manipulates and extinguishes with his RIGHT.)
Is it not manga fact that Itachi put out the black flames?

I can tell you what's not a manga fact: Itachi having Enton and Kagutsuchi; show me some scans where it says he does; I don't take someone's fanfic and say it's a manga fact, especially when they're not even backing up their fanfic claims with scans, at the least.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Then explain how he's able to put out the inextinguishable flames?

That's a basic Amaterasu power,it was already said that the flames can only be put out by the user.Enton is something completely different.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kagutsuchi is Shape Manipulation,Itachi can only use the basic form of Amaterasu ergo he does'nt have Enton or Kagutsuchi.

Christ, this is starting to become the Ama/Tsuki is the only way to awaken Susanoo whichs means Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, because the outdated databook says so situation all over again.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's a basic Amaterasu power,it was already said that the flames can only be put out by the user.Enton is something completely different.

Where was it stated that the flames can be put out by those who spawned it? And if that was part of the basic Amaterasu power, why does Sasuke extinguish it with his right when Amaterasu is his left eye's power?

 

[-Spoiler-]

That's a basic Amaterasu power,it was already said that the flames can only be put out by the user.Enton is something completely different.

Nope nope that was never stated in the manga thats just what people on the base say to try to pass it off as nothing.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Kagutsuchi is Shape Manipulation,Itachi can only use the basic form of Amaterasu ergo he does'nt have Enton or Kagutsuchi.

Christ, this is starting to become the Ama/Tsuki is the only way to awaken Susanoo whichs means Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, because the outdated databook says so situation all over again.

Actually Sasuke used tsukiyomi against Killer bee.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kagutsuchi is Shape Manipulation,Itachi can only is the basic form of Amaterasu ergo he does'nt have Enton or Kagutsuchi.

Christ, this is starting to become the Ama/Tsuki is the only way to awaken Susanoo whichs means Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, because the outdated databook says so situation all over again.

Sasuke has shown two powers with his right eye.

1. A genjutsu that creates an inverted color scale, just like Tsukiyomi. When he used it on Danzo, Danzo compared it to Itachi's use of Tsukiyomi. If it wasn't Tsukiyomi, why would Danzo chose Tsukiyomi in all of Itachi's vast arsenal of Genjutsu to compare it too and specifically mention that Sasuke's use the genjutsu he used was inferior to Itachi manipulation of time with Tsukiyomi?

2. The power to control the black flames. And he put out the flames with his right eye. Meaning it's part of his right eye's effect on Amaterasu, which is Kagutsuchi. Therefore, Kagutsuchi includes putting out the flames. Which Itachi did. So Itachi had a weak form of Kagutsuchi.