Itachi has Enton and Kagutsuchi

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C, a sensor, said Sasuke uses Amaterasu with his right eye and controls the flame with his right

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. Sasuke can shape Amaterasu into different forms and even coat his Susanoo with it to use for defensive purpose (as he did with A) or offensive purposes such as his Enton arrows and Enton blade. Itachi only has Amaterasu which he can turn off but he can't shape manipulate it as Sasuke can.

Also even is Enton was a KKG, you do know that means Itachi wouldn't just have it without having it in his DNA right? Say it's Amaterasu and katon combined for Enton, Itachi might have Katon and Amaterasu but that doesn't mean he has Enton. Anyways I don't thinks it's anything but Amaterasu+shape manipulation since there's nothing separating it from Amaterasu but one being able to be shape manipulated. Itachi can Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo while Sasuke got Amaterasu, Enton (ability to control and shape Amaterasu), and Susanoo.

 

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I still wonder what blaze elements are that mix with fire

 

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C, a sensor, said Sasuke uses Amaterasu with his right eye and controls the flame with his right

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. Sasuke can shape Amaterasu into different forms and even coat his Susanoo with it to use for defensive purpose (as he did with A) or offensive purposes such as his Enton arrows and Enton blade. Itachi only has Amaterasu which he can turn off but he can't shape manipulate it as Sasuke can.

Also even is Enton was a KKG, you do know that means Itachi wouldn't just have it without having it in his DNA right? Say it's Amaterasu and katon combined for Enton, Itachi might have Katon and Amaterasu but that doesn't mean he has Enton. Anyways I don't thinks it's anything but Amaterasu+shape manipulation since there's nothing separating it from Amaterasu but one being able to be shape manipulated. Itachi can Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo while Sasuke got Amaterasu, Enton (ability to control and shape Amaterasu), and Susanoo.

I don't really know how to respond to this since none of this really counters my posts.

Kagutsuchi is definitely separate from Amaterasu, as Amaterasu is done by Sasuke's left eye and Kagutsuchi by his right.

Yes, Itachi has Enton in his DNA, and?

Kagutsuchi falls under Enton. Kagutsuchi includes putting the flames out. Itachi could put out the flames. Put it together.

 

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I don't really know how to respond to this since none of this really counters my posts.

Kagutsuchi is definitely separate from Amaterasu, as Amaterasu is done by Sasuke's left eye and Kagutsuchi by his right.

Yes, Itachi has Enton in his DNA, and?

Kagutsuchi falls under Enton. Kagutsuchi includes putting the flames out. Itachi could put out the flames. Put it together.

No, Itachi turned Amaterasu off, turning Amaterasu off is not the same as kagutsuchi as that comes from Enton's shape manipulation capabilities which Itachi does not have. The fact that Enton is used by controlling Amaterasu and kagutsuchi is based off Enton but since Enton is done by another eye makes it another eye power. Itachi have Tsukuyomi in the eye Sasuke uses Enton with so no Itachi does not have it. And no Itachi doesn't have it in his DNA, he awaken Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo; only 3 MS jutsus. Sasuke got Amaterasu, Enton (power to control and shape Amaterasu), and Susanoo.

You said yourself Sasuke turned off his Amaterasu with the same eye he used it with right? Well he controls and shapes Enton with his other eye making it different.

 

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No, Itachi turned Amaterasu off, turning Amaterasu off is not the same as kagutsuchi as that comes from Enton's shape manipulation capabilities which Itachi does not have. The fact that Enton is used by controlling Amaterasu and kagutsuchi is based off Enton but since Enton is done by another eye makes it another eye power. Itachi have Tsukuyomi in the eye Sasuke uses Enton with so no Itachi does not have it. And no Itachi doesn't have it in his DNA, he awaken Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo; only 3 MS jutsus. Sasuke got Amaterasu, Enton (power to control and shape Amaterasu), and Susanoo.

You said yourself Sasuke turned off his Amaterasu with the same eye he used it with right? Well he controls and shapes Enton with his other eye making it different.

Turning off Amaterasu is part of Kagutsuchi. Sasuke casts Amaterasu with his left, and performs Kagutsuchi through his right. His right eye is the eye he used to shut off Amaterasu. And who said you cannot host two abilities in one eye? A single Sharingan can cast genjutsu, read movements and copy ninjutsu, obviously it can house more than one ability.

 

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I still wonder what blaze elements are that mix with fire

Has to be lightning.

 

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Turning off Amaterasu is part of Kagutsuchi. Sasuke casts Amaterasu with his left, and performs Kagutsuchi through his right. His right eye is the eye he used to shut off Amaterasu. And who said you cannot host two abilities in one eye? A single Sharingan can cast genjutsu, read movements and copy ninjutsu, obviously it can house more than one ability.

Sasuke controls and shape the Amaterasu so turning off the flames falls into that while also being able to shape the flame. Enton: Kagutsuchi is the ability to shape Amaterasu, it's not only Enton but kagutsuchi too

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. The MS grants you 3 MS jutsus and only 3, EMS might contain more than 1 in each if you gain the MS jutsus of the other MS user's eye jutsus; everything you named is the ability that all Sharingans gain in 1 Tomoe to 3 Tomoes while MS is something that has to be awakened and no MS set are the same.

Itachi would need to have shape manipulation of Amaterasu to have kagutsuchi

 

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Sasuke controls and shape the Amaterasu so turning off the flames falls into that while also being able to shape the flame. Enton: Kagutsuchi is the ability to shape Amaterasu, it's not only Enton but kagutsuchi too

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. The MS grants you 3 MS jutsus and only 3, EMS might contain more than 1 in each if you gain the MS jutsus of the other MS user's eye jutsus; everything you named is the ability that all Sharingans gain in 1 Tomoe to 3 Tomoes while MS is something that has to be awakened and no MS set are the same.

Itachi would need to have shape manipulation of Amaterasu to have kagutsuchi

@1st Bold: Exactly what I said. Extinguishing the flames fall into the same category as shaping and controlling them, which is Kagutsuchi. Thanks for unknowingly agreeing with what I've said, have a good day.
@2ndBold: Which explains how Shisui had one and Obito had two variants of one.

 

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@1st Bold: Exactly what I said. Extinguishing the flames fall into the same category as shaping and controlling them, which is Kagutsuchi. Thanks for unknowingly agreeing with what I've said, have a good day.
@2ndBold: Which explains how Shisui had one and Obito had two variants of one.

Except Itachinever shown the shape manipulation which is kagutsuchi, you see Enton: kagutsuchi when Sasuke is shaping Amaterasu into a form of weapon not when he's putting out Amaterasu. I can argue that it's because Sasuke gained Amaterasu from Itachi so he didn't gain the ability to turn it off with the same eye so he developed his own way of controlling Amaterasu where he can put it out and shape it. Go back to Obito talking to Sasuke, he said Itachi transferred his technique to Sasuke. Obito's Kamui's work differently, one is Kamui snipe and the other is Kamui where you can Kamui yourself, go intangible, and Kamui others through touch. So far only Shisui have MS's that have the same for both eyes but it could be because they both had a 10 year recharge unless you have Hashirama's cells.

So I haven't agreed with you since I don't see how you're right, kagutsuchi is used when Sasuke is shaping the Amaterasu not putting it out, Sasuke only got the power to put out the flames with the same eye that can control its shapes because it makes more since for him to have full control over it with 1 eye and not have Amaterasu/turn off then shaping; then made it Amaterasu and full control. Itachi can't shape his flames so allowing him to turn it off with the same eye is reasonable in case he gets caught on fire himself.

 

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Except Itachinever shown the shape manipulation which is kagutsuchi, you see Enton: kagutsuchi when Sasuke is shaping Amaterasu into a form of weapon not when he's putting out Amaterasu. I can argue that it's because Sasuke gained Amaterasu from Itachi so he didn't gain the ability to turn it off with the same eye so he developed his own way of controlling Amaterasu where he can put it out and shape it. Go back to Obito talking to Sasuke, he said Itachi transferred his technique to Sasuke. Obito's Kamui's work differently, one is Kamui snipe and the other is Kamui where you can Kamui yourself, go intangible, and Kamui others through touch. So far only Shisui have MS's that have the same for both eyes but it could be because they both had a 10 year recharge unless you have Hashirama's cells.

So I haven't agreed with you since I don't see how you're right, kagutsuchi is used when Sasuke is shaping the Amaterasu not putting it out, Sasuke only got the power to put out the flames with the same eye that can control its shapes because it makes more since for him to have full control over it with 1 eye and not have Amaterasu/turn off then shaping; then made it Amaterasu and full control. Itachi can't shape his flames so allowing him to turn it off with the same eye is reasonable in case he gets caught on fire himself.

You yourself have already said that putting out the flames fall into the same classification as shaping it, which is Kagutsuchi. Therefore, you have agreed with me that putting out the flames is Kagutsuchi. Itachi put out the flames. Pieces can be put together quite easily.

Itachi transferred a one-shot Amaterasu in Sasuke. Obito surmised that Itachi has transferred all of his eye powers to Sasuke, which, for a while, led the fandom to believe that this is why Sasuke had the same powers as Itachi. This was proven incorrect because when Sasuke met Edo Itachi, Edo Itachi was surprised that Sasuke had Susano'o; he wouldn't have been if he had transferred his powers to Sasuke: Obito was incorrect. Itachi transferred a one-time to Sasuke. You should re-read that bit to brush up tbh.

You're contradicting yourself left and right. If Amaterasu is cast with Sasuke's left eye, and extinguished with his right, how can it be part of spawning Amaterasu? Kagutsuchi is housed in the same eye that Sasuke puts out the flames with. Put the pieces together, mate. You've even said a couple posts ago that putting out the flames falls into the same category as shaping them.

Obito and Shisui prove that Mangekyo powers can vary from just three, so why not four?

 

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You yourself have already said that putting out the flames fall into the same classification as shaping it, which is Kagutsuchi. Therefore, you have agreed with me that putting out the flames is Kagutsuchi. Itachi put out the flames. Pieces can be put together quite easily.

Itachi transferred a one-shot Amaterasu in Sasuke. Obito surmised that Itachi has transferred all of his eye powers to Sasuke, which, for a while, led the fandom to believe that this is why Sasuke had the same powers as Itachi. This was proven incorrect because when Sasuke met Edo Itachi, Edo Itachi was surprised that Sasuke had Susano'o; he wouldn't have been if he had transferred his powers to Sasuke: Obito was incorrect. Itachi transferred a one-time to Sasuke. You should re-read that bit to brush up tbh.

You're contradicting yourself left and right. If Amaterasu is cast with Sasuke's left eye, and extinguished with his right, how can it be part of spawning Amaterasu? Kagutsuchi is housed in the same eye that Sasuke puts out the flames with. Put the pieces together, mate. You've even said a couple posts ago that putting out the flames falls into the same category as shaping them.

Obito and Shisui prove that Mangekyo powers can vary from just three, so why not four?

Yes because putting it out falls under control for Sasuke who shown to control Amaterasu to the point that he can manipulate its shape. Itachi's control only falls under putting out his Amaterasu, this is also why Kishi had C comment on Sasuke being better than Itachi with Amaterasu. You can have the ability to put something out by that doesn't mean you can control it as someone else might be able too. Sasuke was able to use genjutsu but he couldn't control time in it like Itachi but by your logic I can say it's shaped the same way as Tsukuyomi so Sasuke can control time and space but Danzo already said Sasuke couldn't just like Sasuke was said to be better with Amaterasu.

Or Itachi only transferred Amaterasu to Sasuke l, so Obito could have been wrong about all jutsus but not about Amaterasu as you said Itachi was surprised Sasuke had Susanoo but he wasn't surprise Sasuke had Amaterasu and he said he'll use tsukuyomi not either one of them could so only having Amaterasu match up. So no need to brush up, you should though or else you would have caught that as well^.

How am I contradicting myself? Both Kamui are done with different eyes yet their are connected. Both of Sasuke's eyes revolve his Amaterasu, 1 uses it and the other has full control over it. Kagutsuchi is used when Sasuke is shaping Enton into weapons such as swords or arrows, he never used it to put it out. Instead of trying to put pieces together, look at the pieces and see they're from different puzzles. Look at pyro from Xmen, he can control/manipulate fire but he can't create fire now look at human torch who can create and control his own fire; you're saying look at how human torch can create and control his flames which include putting it out, that means pyro can do it too even though he uses a lighter to get flames then control it which includes putting it out. Just because you can do 2 things (create Amaterasu and put it out) doesn't mean you can do the 3rd thing (use Kagutsuchi/manipulate) that someone with similar powers can do.

No they didn't, both still only had 1 MS in each eye and had they have both at the same time they could use Susanoo as Sasuke said double MS gives you it. Shisui having KA in each eye still counts as 2 MS jutsus since he can use 1 KA every 10 years. Obito have 2 versions of Kamui that works different so that's still 3 MS jutsus and his 3rd is PS (would be Final Susanoo had he not have Rikudo chakra. Plus the DB have Enton: Kagutsuchi as only shaping Amaterasu, go under techniques

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