Itachi has better Shushin feats than Minato

[xxSAGExx]

Title says it all. I'm talking about Shunshin not FTG.

FYI this is not a thread to discredit Minato simply a thread to show that Itachi speed in Shunshin is = or slower by VERY LITTLE to Minato.

Those that disagree please review KCM Naruto and Bee vs Itachi and Nagato, Itachi vs Sasuke, and Itachi vs Kakashi,Kurenai

I don't think so, Sasuke was able to keep up with Itachi even though he wasn't as fast. Minato used his Shunshin to go from where Obito and Rin are to where Kakashi was in mere seconds and not only saved Kakashi but marked the enemy as well

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. Remember, Kakashi was running at top speed which Chidori required, as he was attacking and making his way to the real enemy.

Minato didn't use FTG until after he saved Kakashi as shown when he drops his bag and Rin mentions FTG's speed. The ninja even mentioned Minato's non-Shunshin speed

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. Minato used his Shunshin to save baby naruto was right about to get impaled by Obito when Minato was across the room and was praised by Obito for his speed

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Character opinions regarding Minato always treat FTG as if it is his Shunshin speed and not Space/Time Manipulation

Not in this case, it was well known that Minato's FTG was faster than A so how can A's speed and reaction be on par to Minato's instant FTG? Clearly he's talking about Minato's base Shunshin speed. A and Minato fought many times, even after they both became Kages, Cee and Darui became A's guards when he became Hokage, Same for temari and Konkuoro for Gaara so whould have seen at least one of A's and Minato's fights. Also Bee was always with A as well since they were tag team partners and when Bee got named Bee, he was told to always be with A and protect him since he'll be the next Raikage.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Why the need to insult someone else?

First to answer your question.
Wich OP characters? Not only did he fight them. But One Shotted most.

Deidara (almost made him commit suicide)
Orochimaru (chopped of his hand, Orochimaru admitted inferiority)
Kakashi (one shotted by Tsukoyomi. we all know he did not have intent to kill)
Kisame (Kisame was a hasty one, but ended up being Itachi's pet, and always admitted inferiority)

Well, if you remember well, Killer Bee was able to react, not only to a sunshin, but FTG itself. Minato was shokcked and knew he couldn't win.

Itachi had to tell Killer Bee where he was, otherwiseh would've killed Killer Bee.

I don't know the purpose of the 4 situations, yes he used speed in some of those battles but you didn't really focus on the speed aspect. Also Tsukuyomi doesn't kill, it lowers one morality so they can't fight. When Itachi used it on Sasuke, Zetsu wasn't surprised that Sasuke was still alive, he only said Sasuke shouldn't be able to move anymore, not that he should be dead and Itachi can take his eyes. Zetsu is Madara's will and has a lot of knowledge, even knowing what the Totsuka blade and Yata mirrors are.

As for the Bee part, Bee didn't react to FTG speed, he knew he was marked and waited fro Minato to make his move to him. Bee trembled after hearing about Minato from Naruto when he asked where he learned the Rasengan, that alone should tell you how their other fights had to have went.

Itachi didn't tell Bee where he was, Bee countered him fire shurikens and then caught him with his tentacle, then Itachi turned into crows and said not to look into his eyes, Bee did and the 8 tails snapped him out of the genjutsu. Itachi never shown to have knowledge that a perfect Jinchuuriki is, as Bee says it, Immune to genjutsus. Naruto wasn't a prefect jin at the time and he was at 1/13th his power plus just enter the war right after intense training with no rest yet he kept on par with Itachi's speed. Naruto doesn't have full control over his speed due to the incomplete training.

 

[Owarij]

I don't know the purpose of the 4 situations, yes he used speed in some of those battles but you didn't really focus on the speed aspect. Also Tsukuyomi doesn't kill, it lowers one morality so they can't fight. When Itachi used it on Sasuke, Zetsu wasn't surprised that Sasuke was still alive, he only said Sasuke shouldn't be able to move anymore, not that he should be dead and Itachi can take his eyes. Zetsu is Madara's will and has a lot of knowledge, even knowing what the Totsuka blade and Yata mirrors are.

As for the Bee part, Bee didn't react to FTG speed, he knew he was marked and waited fro Minato to make his move to him. Bee trembled after hearing about Minato from Naruto when he asked where he learned the Rasengan, that alone should tell you how their other fights had to have went.

Itachi didn't tell Bee where he was, Bee countered him fire shurikens and then caught him with his tentacle, then Itachi turned into crows and said not to look into his eyes, Bee did and the 8 tails snapped him out of the genjutsu. Itachi never shown to have knowledge that a perfect Jinchuuriki is, as Bee says it, Immune to genjutsus. Naruto wasn't a prefect jin at the time and he was at 1/13th his power plus just enter the war right after intense training with no rest yet he kept on par with Itachi's speed. Naruto doesn't have full control over his speed due to the incomplete training.

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Yeaa.. As Kakashi said a long time ago in part 1 . Never let an opponent get behind you... It was quite obvious from that fight that Bee was not keeping up with Itachi's speed

As for this thread, something like that is really unknowable.. Unless a character states outright that someone is faster, we can't really tell... from the manga perspective, Minato's and Itachi's shunshin both look the same.. the disapear from one location, appear at another.. Though Itachi might have more screen time and thus more feats showcasing it, that doesn't indicate he's better..

All we have to put things into perspective is Itachi's speed databook score (5), which makes him faster than Kakashi and Sasuke , Two ninjas constantly praised for speed

 

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Yeaa.. As Kakashi said a long time ago in part 1 . Never let an opponent get behind you... It was quite obvious from that fight that Bee was not keeping up with Itachi's speed

As for this thread, something like that is really unknowable.. Unless a character states outright that someone is faster, we can't really tell... from the manga perspective, Minato's and Itachi's shunshin both look the same.. the disapear from one location, appear at another.. Though Itachi might have more screen time and thus more feats showcasing it, that doesn't indicate he's better..

All we have to put things into perspective is Itachi's speed databook score (5), which makes him faster than Kakashi and Sasuke , Two ninjas constantly praised for speed

You are right, we wouldn't know unless it's said or we see it in a fight. I didn't count that because as you can see, Bee wasn't shock or anything, just "On it!". Ninjas who get speed blitz, caught off guard or surprised show "!" for their shockness and Bee didn't show to be caught off guard. Bee even reacted before Itachi could attack him (on the next page), Kabuto is controlling their bodies so his body would be moving/attacking while Itachi talked.

I also take into account that Itachi uses the sharingan to predict movements and move before his opponent makes their movements. A prime example of this is Naruto VS Sasuke in VoTE, Naruto in his Initial cloak mode was faster than Sasuke but when Sasuke got his 3 tomoes, he was able to see Naruto's movement's before Naruto made those movements and would punch where Naruto face would be

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[Retsu]

Character opinions regarding Minato always treat FTG as if it is his Shunshin speed and not Space/Time Manipulation

Ay knows the mechanics behind ftg, nerve transmission and reaction speed have nothing to do with what cee was referring to, otherwise he would have mentioned his ftg by name. And Cee is no dummy, ftg isn't what put Minato's movements on par with raikage, otherwise Tobirama would also be known as one of the fastest ninja alive.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

In no way did I suggest Itachi's shunshin is better than Minato's. <.<


No, of course not . Why would you ask that?


Are you guys trying to make fun of me? O.O Who is/are * they're* ?

Obviously Itachi and Kisame were just walking towards the exit of the village by then while Kurenai and Asuma were using Shunshin. <.<
According to your logic , people who use shunshin , then stop using shunshin are still using shunshin.

Proof? Why would they stop? They already said they don't want a war on their hands. The longer they spent there the more people would catch on to them. So OBVIOUSLY they'd want to leave quickly as possible.
But alas proof is on you.

 

[VongolaX]

Didn't minato shuushin explosive tags off baby naruto?

 

[~Uzumaki~]

For facts that are not set in stone we have to rely on hype. Hype, though sometimes wholly unreliable, does have some level of truth behind it. Example being Juubi hype, Hashirama hype, Madara hype. Minato's foot speed has too much hype. From Obito, Tobirama, Hiruzen.

Itachi has from only Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai who, while very respectable in matters of speed, are not of the caliber that we can rely on for who has immense speed or not. Especially since Kakashi matched Itachi quite easily in part 2 without any databook speed increase, Asuma lost to Hidan(whose speed is 3.5) in taijutsu, Kurenai...well....is a genjutsu specialist.




....There's also the running across the entirety of Konoha to reach Kurama and summon Bunta on his head before he could complete a Bijuudama.

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Yeaa.. As Kakashi said a long time ago in part 1 . Never let an opponent get behind you... It was quite obvious from that fight that Bee was not keeping up with Itachi's speed

As for this thread, something like that is really unknowable.. Unless a character states outright that someone is faster, we can't really tell... from the manga perspective, Minato's and Itachi's shunshin both look the same.. the disapear from one location, appear at another.. Though Itachi might have more screen time and thus more feats showcasing it, that doesn't indicate he's better..

All we have to put things into perspective is Itachi's speed databook score (5), which makes him faster than Kakashi and Sasuke , Two ninjas constantly praised for speed

Sasuke got behind Raikage and tried to hit him with his sword. That doesn't make Sasuke faster than an armored Raikage.

 

[Bogard]

Dunno if Itachi fans are reading this same manga or if they just like to troll on purpose(not talking about OP here who is definitely a troll). Just ask yourself this. If Itachi and Minato were to have a race, who do you think Kishimoto would make win? The answer of this question should be pretty much obvious judging by the amount of hype Minato possess in the area, even outspeed hokage level fighters

Like i've already stated before, there is even a testament of their respective speed that has been shown in this manga, unfortunately greatly overlooked by readers. Itachi and Minato had a race against a same character(Sasuke)

Itachi despite not wanting Sasuke to follow him(when he wanted to stop Edo tensei) never managed to outspeed him. Minato on the other side left Sasuke in the dust, more than that actually, he left Hokages in the dust who themselves left Sasuke behind. That passage was to show that Hokages have faster shunshin than Itachi and Sasuke who themselves have slower shunshin than Minato

What Itachi fans always fail to realise in battles is that the possession of Sharingan greatly helps in Uchiha movements since they can analyse opponents move(reason why Yugito was capable to tag Killer-Bee when without Sharingan she was significantly slower according to Bee). It's not that they are faster, it's just that sharingan helps them to read opponents move and act accordingly

It's the same thing with Itachi who heavily relies on Sharingan during his fights, Sharingan that helps him to read opponents move and in the end makes him look as faster than he actually is just like Yugito against Bee

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Yeaa.. As Kakashi said a long time ago in part 1 . Never let an opponent get behind you... It was quite obvious from that fight that Bee was not keeping up with Itachi's speed

As for this thread, something like that is really unknowable.. Unless a character states outright that someone is faster, we can't really tell... from the manga perspective, Minato's and Itachi's shunshin both look the same.. the disapear from one location, appear at another.. Though Itachi might have more screen time and thus more feats showcasing it, that doesn't indicate he's better..

All we have to put things into perspective is Itachi's speed databook score (5), which makes him faster than Kakashi and Sasuke , Two ninjas constantly praised for speed

*Sigh* Not this again? Bee never got blitzed by Itachi. Dunno why Itachi fans keep saying this non-sense.

Do you even see a drop of sweat on Killer-Bee on that panel? Getting behind someone =/= blitzing him. Dunno if it's a common disease by desperate Itachi fans to keep on talking about a supposed blitz that never happened. Bee was perfect aware of Itachi's position behind him and you can easily notice it by his attitude, his face expression, how calm he was. In other traductions, he even states "i know"

Later on in the battle, we even have had a Bee vs Itachi confrontation(1vs1) and Bee was completely dominating him to the point he avoided to go further by escaping to Nagato's bird and that despite the reading ability that Sharingan grants him, that shows Bee is infact faster, more reflexive and better in taijutusu than him

 

[BloodSeed]

We are talking about alive Minato, not Edo Minato who got buffs he would have never had in life.

in base he still faster than sasuke so stfu

 

[foxyladyland]

Proof? Why would they stop? They already said they don't want a war on their hands. The longer they spent there the more people would catch on to them. So OBVIOUSLY they'd want to leave quickly as possible.
But alas proof is on you.

means to stop walking *abruptly* perhaps
also if they were moving at high speeds * body flicker * their cloaks would indicate it.

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here they are just running without using the body flicker

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